21st Century Longhunter Kit

[Sparky93]

Dave had a vid on reloading a cut down shotgun brass with black powder, by putting a primer in it, then just dumping powder down the barrel, and loading like a muzzleloader.

I would never even try this, so I do have to question some of his ideas.....kinda like trying too hard, for the sake of making a vid.
JMHO

I agree, I would never try this unless I had to.But it is interesting to think about if you had no other option in a SHTF situation.

[aflineman]

..... also adding a MSR pot to the kit.

You might look at a teapot instead. I find myself wanting one more and more when I am out. It will probably be the next thing I add to my longer outing kit (which doubles as my in the car bag so I have it for those spur of the moment trips).

[sh4d0wm4573ri7]

I like Dave , his gear, videos , site are all outstanding, his philosophy I have used for year.

[Rick]

Sparky - You have a canteen there do you also have a canteen cup and stove? I use my canteen cup for just about everything.

[Sparky93]

Sparky - You have a canteen there do you also have a canteen cup and stove? I use my canteen cup for just about everything.

I got the cup, but I plan on getting a lid and stove on my next trip to the surplus store.

[postman]

Just bought the H.R. single shot 12 guage shotgun, the same one Dave uses in his videos. Paid 114.95 at SAIL, a new store here in the GTA, near Bass Pro in Vaughn. Absolutely beautiful store, and they have everything from ski's, to snow shoes, to hunting and fishing. Haven't shot it yet, but I'll let you know what I think when I do.

[kyratshooter]

Always remember that when we look at the longhunter we feel we are in the land of "make do" because their equipment is so outdated. We put ourselves at a disadvantage to a great extent by trying to use too much of what we think their gear was, or the type gear we have that copies them. In many cases we do not know what they used for common tasks. They did not see fit to leave us that information.

Oilcloth is good stuff, but camo colored silicon coated nylon ($10 from Walmart) is better and weighs a fraction of the oilcloth. Wool blankets are neat, but Hollowfill keeps you warmer at night and costs less. Don't even try to get me started on the difference between Moccasins and my L.L. Bean canoe boots or Gortex Rockys! I have been using and comparing both for 50 years and know of what I speak.

Please do not purposely downgrade your equipment because "that was when the longhunters used".

They were using state of the art gear for their time. Can you imagine what Boone would have given for a Mossburg 500 at the Boonesboro battle in 1777, or what Crockett would have given for an AK at the Alamo? Crocket had just upgraded "Betsey" from a flinter to a caplock before he split from TN to Texas. He was very much interested in the latest in firearms technology!

They were also not on foot carrying everything they owned on their backs. They had strings of up to 200 pack horses, often traveled by boat and hunted in groups of up to 20 men.

Do not get trapped in the "Mindset of the Longhunter", or what some modern person thinks that mindset was. They were market hunters and Indian fighters wiping out both game and native people where ever they found them. They left little record of what they thought and the educated people that traveled among them were not impressed by their lifestyle or nature. Our take on them is mostly resulting from the romantic writers of the mid-1800s and has no connection to the people in question.

What Dave C. is spouting is the philosophy of James Fenamore Cooper, not the nature of Lewis Wetzel, Simon Kenton, Kasper Mansker or the Bledsoe Brothers. It is not a bad philosophy, but it is not the "code of the longhunter". There was no such thing. Dave is a retired soldier, not a historian.

Use what you have the best way you know how.

[lucznik]

Always remember that when we look at the longhunter we feel we are in the land of "make do" because their equipment is so outdated. We put ourselves at a disadvantage to a great extent by trying to use too much of what we think their gear was, or the type gear we have that copies them. In many cases we do not know what they used for common tasks. They did not see fit to leave us that information.

Oilcloth is good stuff, but camo colored silicon coated nylon ($10 from Walmart) is better and weighs a fraction of the oilcloth. Wool blankets are neat, but Hollowfill keeps you warmer at night and costs less. Don't even try to get me started on the difference between Moccasins and my L.L. Bean canoe boots or Gortex Rockys! I have been using and comparing both for 50 years and know of what I speak.

Please do not purposely downgrade your equipment because "that was when the longhunters used".

They were using state of the art gear for their time. Can you imagine what Boone would have given for a Mossburg 500 at the Boonesboro battle in 1777, or what Crockett would have given for an AK at the Alamo? Crocket had just upgraded "Betsey" from a flinter to a caplock before he split from TN to Texas. He was very much interested in the latest in firearms technology!

They were also not on foot carrying everything they owned on their backs. They had strings of up to 200 pack horses, often traveled by boat and hunted in groups of up to 20 men.

Do not get trapped in the "Mindset of the Longhunter", or what some modern person thinks that mindset was. They were market hunters and Indian fighters wiping out both game and native people where ever they found them. They left little record of what they thought and the educated people that traveled among them were not impressed by their lifestyle or nature. Our take on them is mostly resulting from the romantic writers of the mid-1800s and has no connection to the people in question.

What Dave C. is spouting is the philosophy of James Fenamore Cooper, not the nature of Lewis Wetzel, Simon Kenton, Kasper Mansker or the Bledsoe Brothers. It is not a bad philosophy, but it is not the "code of the longhunter". There was no such thing. Dave is a retired soldier, not a historian.

Use what you have the best way you know how.

Well said.