I have this concept in my 5.11 LBV with 6" by 10" molle pouches and 6" by 6" first aid pouches on the back. A large space blanket and 6 mill visqueen in the hydration area, molle holster and more pouches on the front. This is my back country "Mountain Biking" system. It allows for free movement, but puts the holster where I want it for cross-draw.
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Rick, You got it, I don't want to modify the vest just attach the pack.
Crash, Rick is right the kidney pad is not on the pack yet in the pic.
Sourdough, That is what I am after mobility and modular kits.
Keep in mind the problem may be extremely complicated, though the "Fix" is often simple...
"Teaching a child to fish is the "original" introduction to all that is wild." CS
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Also I wanted the stuff on my back to be close to my body, and spread out evenly, not in a pile at the bottom of a sack.Originally Posted by COWBOYSURVIVAL
CS, I modded the hell out of all my issue gear. I attached a small alice to my LBV for light infantry RTO stuff. I took it off though.
You may be able to route the alice belt through the kidney pad d-rings and get a belt pad to make it a more solid unit.
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.asp...7643&TabID=548
I had a compass, but without a map, it's just a cool toy to show you where oceans and ice are.
Yep, yep! was looking at something similar a load bearing belt.
Keep in mind the problem may be extremely complicated, though the "Fix" is often simple...
"Teaching a child to fish is the "original" introduction to all that is wild." CS
"How can you tell a story that has no end?" Doc Carlson
You will have to do some sewing or something though. I looked at my alice belts and they don't just break down to a single strap. Maybe a new non-issue one does or you can use 2 1/2" webbing for the belt.
Webbing is not really stiff enough. Let me look through my crap, I may have a belt that will work.
I had a compass, but without a map, it's just a cool toy to show you where oceans and ice are.
I have an old vietnam era belt Dad gave me with the brass clasp and the three ring eyelets all the way around, is that what is normally used, is that what you refer to as an Alice Belt? Mom had sewn 12 ga shot shell retainer out of heavy heavy elastic on it when I went on that first deer hunt with Dad? I also have some seatbelt I cut out of my old truck and dyed olive drab, I don't mind making it work. I actually enjoy making things that are one of a kind.
Keep in mind the problem may be extremely complicated, though the "Fix" is often simple...
"Teaching a child to fish is the "original" introduction to all that is wild." CS
"How can you tell a story that has no end?" Doc Carlson
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=691379
I can never get a link to Sportsmanguide to work so I doubt it works but this is the belt I had in mind, it is actually called a duty belt.
Keep in mind the problem may be extremely complicated, though the "Fix" is often simple...
"Teaching a child to fish is the "original" introduction to all that is wild." CS
"How can you tell a story that has no end?" Doc Carlson
Winter, Thanks for all your help, I just fitted it all up and tried it on and it isn't what I had in mind at all. Your's and others advice was sound. 2 seperate peices of gear they are meant to be.
Keep in mind the problem may be extremely complicated, though the "Fix" is often simple...
"Teaching a child to fish is the "original" introduction to all that is wild." CS
"How can you tell a story that has no end?" Doc Carlson
With a pistol belt, a butt pack and various pouches it may still do what you want without the ruck.
Mine, when I was doing LRS, was 48 lbs of crap. My belt had 2 3x30 mag pouches, 2 saw pouchs, 2 canteens, a buttpack, gasmask, and the vest itself.
Thing was huge and was for up to 3 days sustainment if I abandoned my ruck.
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That's me and it.
I had a compass, but without a map, it's just a cool toy to show you where oceans and ice are.
That is where I am going with it Winter. Might still fit the bill. I added the old belt to it, started filling the mag pouches. I have a smallish Ruck sack that might work better Added a canteen on the belt and my .22 wheel gun. Meanwhile I set up the medium Alice and frame.....the way it was meant to be and love it. It beats the carp outta my Lg. Alice and frame.
Keep in mind the problem may be extremely complicated, though the "Fix" is often simple...
"Teaching a child to fish is the "original" introduction to all that is wild." CS
"How can you tell a story that has no end?" Doc Carlson
Well, that and you don't need half the **** a soldier HAS to carry.
I still advice against having all your gear in one unit. It limits your movement to have all that **** hanging from you.
Your shelter determines your gear, IMO. The smaller your shelter the better. Any tent with stays is too big for movement in the lightfighter mode.
Us survival minded guys can go much lighter as we are not moving to contact and engaging "enemy" forces with the intent of destroying them all.
I'm still wrapping my gear around that major difference in logistics.
IMO, "We" need 100 +/- rounds. Shelter. Food prep capability. Water procurement. Socks. A few tools. 1st aid. Weapon and kit for it.
That's shtf packing list for me. Wilderness survival packing list is much lighter, of course. My .357 loaded with 2 speedloaders is my bush weapon for non-hunting season.
As you know, terrain dictates all things.
I had a compass, but without a map, it's just a cool toy to show you where oceans and ice are.
Here is a few ways on how I would do it.
1. If you are set on using the ruck with the frame.....Ditch the shoulder straps and back panel of the LBE. Personally I would replace the original ruck shoulder straps and kidney pad with MOLLE shoulder straps and hip belt. But, you can still use the original shoulder straps and kidney pad if you want. Then you attach the remainder of the LBE to the packs shoulder straps and hip belt. The ruck frame is meant to transfer weight to the hips. Without the proper suspension, it isn't doing it's job, and you might as well ditch it (the frame).
2. If you don't want to use the frame, but still want the ruck......buy a padded belt to attach to the pistol belt. Attach the ruck to the top of the shoulder straps of the LBE with some webbing and ladder locks. A quick release might also be more of what you want. Then attach the bottom corners of the ruck to the pistol belt with whatever means you deem the best.
3. Ditch the ruck completely and use a couple butt packs. I still recommend a padded belt for the pistol belt. Winter provided a link. You can add a big butt pack on the pistol belt, and then a smaller one on the top of the shoulder straps. Couple that with a bunch of ammo pouches, canteen pouches, and other pouches on the pistol belt, and you might get the same amount of space, just not with one big bag.
As you can tell from others, the two weren't meant to be together as one. The idea is to keep essentials on you and drop the other stuff when you hit contact. That doesn't mean you can't do it, just that it will take some tinkering.
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