First Aid kit question, What's in the next level, & next.

[Sarge47]

Crash has some good ideas up above as well.

Agreed! This is what I've been waiting for!

[crashdive123]

I like the Condor EMT pouch. Looks like much easier access. I need to reduce the numbers of a few of my items (since this is for my day hikes) and add a few things.

[Rick]

B - I have to agree with you on the eye wash. I picked up some Refresh Tears yesterday along with some Orajel for a toothache (yeah, yeah, I know about clove oil) and added both to the first aid kit. Thanks for jogging my noodle on that. I had always figured I could use water as an eye flush but sometimes you don't have any and it's not always about flushing the eye. Sometimes tired eyes can be comforted with Refresh Tears where water won't do the job.

I updated both lists above.

[crashdive123]

I wear contact lenses and use reading glasses (carry my bi-focals). An important part of my fak is the refresh (bottom left of the picture I posted). I use it quite often (not while wearing contacts). Crawling in attics, under homes, grinding steel, grinding micarta and bone - while I wear safety glasses, I often give my eyes a lube job with the Refresh.

[Mad Cow]

I can only offer this, I deeply cut my arm, and depleted my kit in a 10 minutes. Just stopping the blood went threw all my big bandages, and I lacked a way to clean the would. A means of closing it would have been nice to. I tried crazy glue, but it did not work. Hope that was helpful.

[Rick]

MC - Even if the wound was deep stopping the blood should only have required a compression bandage and NOT REMOVING IT. If it soaked through then add another on top of it. Removing any bandage will removing any clots that have formed beneath the bandage and allow the wound to continue bleeding. What did you finally do to address the wound (I assume it's not still bleeding) and do you have any type of issue such as hemophilia that would prevent normal clotting?

[Mad Cow]

I do take beta blockers, but nothing else. The bleeding was not continuous, just one giant squirt and it was over. I was trying to keep the blood flowing as the knife had just been in a pig. What I was getting at, is that if I had cut my self to the point ware I got an artery, my kit was not adequate enough to deal with that. It also took a third of my kit to deal with the injury. When I replenish it I plan on adding some bandages for huge wounds, better antiseptic, and some of that clotting stuff.

[Rick]

Oh. Got it.

[Highhawk1948]

I have carried Kotex or other like products for years to use as compresses. Those are good kits in the pictures and lists. I enjoy being ready.



Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth; T.Roosevelt

[Mad Cow]

I have carried Kotex or other like products for years to use as compresses. Those are good kits in the pictures and lists. I enjoy being ready.



Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth; T.Roosevelt

Diapers to.

[Rick]

I know this is an older thread but rather than start a new one I thought I'd just add to this one. Same subject.

As my grand kids have gotten older and involved more and more into sports I was concerned that my EDC First aid kit just wasn't enough for some of the weird injuries sports can give you. Gym floors are wood and hard. All you have to do is bounce a young noggin' off the floor to have a very serious, potentially life threatening, injury. My grand kids are into softball, baseball, volleyball and basketball at this stage so that's a lot of different environments to contend with. With that in mind, I built a full trauma kit around my first aid kid. Hopefully, it's enough to keep a kid breathing until EMTs can take over, which is my only goal. Gotta keep them going during that 1st golden hour. Just some things for you to think about and critique if you choose.

I've posted above but just to keep it straight here's my EDC first aid kit.

First Aid Kit – Condor Rip Away Pouch

Total weight including pouch is 2lb 9oz.
1 oz triple antibiotic ointment
2 bandage guage roller 2" x 6 yards
1 EMT shears
1 needle forceps
2 tweezers
1 nail clippers
2 closure strip 1/4" X 1 1/2"
4 6-0 Polyester Fiber Suture with 3/8" scalpel point needle (1 per pack)
2 Povidone-Iodine Prep pads
18 Alcohol Prep Pads (fire starter, too)
1 instant cold compress
2 Little Hotties hand warmers
1 4" x 4" sterile pad
1 5" X 9" ABD Pad Extra Absorbent
1 3" X 8" gauze bandage
3 Butterfly closure
11 regular bandaids
1 one inch self-adhesive bandage
4 sets of gloves
30 Hydrocodone 500 Mg tabs
12 Cipro 500 Mg tabs
30 Amoxicillin 500 Mg tabs
1 50 g QuikClot Sport
2 6" wooden splints
Assorted sizes of Moleskin Plus
1 Dressing, First-Aid, Field, 11 3/4 inches square
11 plastic snip bandaids
2 Insect Sting relief towlettes
12 antihistimines
2 twelve inch roles of one inch Velcro strapping (splints)
1 25-foot piece of paracord
1 box Luden's cough drops
1 Fresnel lens
1 BIC lighter
4 1 use size Triple Antibiotic ointment
2 antacid tablets
2 acetaminophen tablets
6 Loperamide Hydrochloride (anti diarrhea)
1 1" roll guaze
10 Q tips
1 tube chap-ez
1 splinter remover
1 single use tube of neosporin
2 single use tube of First Aid Burn Cream
1 Burnaid Burn Gel
1 NexTemp disposable thermometer
1 bottle Refresh Tears
12 Orajel medicated tooth swabs
1 First Aid Pamplet

My first aid kit sits in a pocket in my trauma kit so I still have it as well as the following items:

Trauma Kit – Ergodyne Arsenal 5215 Large Trauma Bag

Total weight including bag and EDC First Aid Kit – 15 lbs.
Nasopharyngeal Airway (sterile) (1) each of:
24Fr
26Fr
28Fr
30Fr
32Fr
34Fr
36Fr
(5) Dyna Lube single use packets (sterile) size 2.7 g #1250
(2) rolls 3m Micropore tape 1 inch
(1) roll sports tape 2 inch
(1) roll waterproof adhesive tape
(2) rolls Coban 2 inch bandage
(6) ½ in. x 4 in. Steri-strips
(9) 2 in x 4 in Flexible Adhesive Bandage
(100) ½ in X 2 ¾ in Butterfly Wound Closures
(10) 1 ¾ x 4 in Flexible Fabric bandages
(20) Orthoptic eye patches
(30) assorted size adhesive bandages
(40) 3/8 in x 1 ½ in adhesive bandages
(1) 40 in triangular bandage
(4) 2 in bandage compresses
(4) 5 in x 9 in surgical dressings
(2) 4 in x 4 in surgical sponges
(2) 3 in x 4 in non-stick pads
(3) 3 in x 8 in non-stick pads
(10) Black Talon nitrile gloves
(1) Adult resuscitator
(1) multi-fit cervical collar
(1) O2 mask with 7” tubing
(1) 36 in SAM Splint
(2) HALO seals
(1) Hyfin chest seal
(1) 13 piece surgical set *
(25) 2.5 M surgical blades
(1) 50 gram Quikclot
(2) 25 gram Quikclot
(1) 12 in abdominal bandage
(1) 6 in Israeli bandage
(1) self-administering tourniquet
(4) 2 in x 3 in burn pads
(2) chemical cold packs
(4) chemical hand warmers
(1) 1 ounce tube Bacitracin
(1) bottle 8 ounce wound wash
(1) 2.5 ounce tube SPF 30 sunscreen
(1) 4 ounce bottle hand sanitizer
(2) light weight casualty blankets
(1) mini Maglight
(1) sphygmometer
(1) Stethoscope
(30) Halls cough drops
(1) insect bite relief stick
(1) package tums
(1) ring cutter
(2) tweezers
(2) EMT sheers
(1) 4x6 waterproof notepad
(1) Rite in the rain ink pen
(2) 0.5 fluid ounce bottles lubricant eye drops
(1) pealess whistle
(1) BIC lighter
(1) Buck mini folder knife
(1) .75 ounce Badger Bug Balm
(1) Dentemp for lost fillings and loose caps
(1) Red Cross toothache kit
25 feet paracord

* I don't intend to do surgery with the kit but the various forceps and other tools could be very handy.

[Survive]

I know this is an older thread but rather than start a new one I thought I'd just add to this one. Same subject.

As my grand kids have gotten older and involved more and more into sports I was concerned that my EDC First aid kit just wasn't enough for some of the weird injuries sports can give you. Gym floors are wood and hard. All you have to do is bounce a young noggin' off the floor to have a very serious, potentially life threatening, injury. My grand kids are into softball, baseball, volleyball and basketball at this stage so that's a lot of different environments to contend with. With that in mind, I built a full trauma kit around my first aid kid. Hopefully, it's enough to keep a kid breathing until EMTs can take over, which is my only goal. Gotta keep them going during that 1st golden hour. Just some things for you to think about and critique if you choose.

I've posted above but just to keep it straight here's my EDC first aid kit.

First Aid Kit – Condor Rip Away Pouch

Total weight including pouch is 2lb 9oz.
1 oz triple antibiotic ointment
2 bandage guage roller 2" x 6 yards
1 EMT shears
1 needle forceps
2 tweezers
1 nail clippers
2 closure strip 1/4" X 1 1/2"
4 6-0 Polyester Fiber Suture with 3/8" scalpel point needle (1 per pack)
2 Povidone-Iodine Prep pads
18 Alcohol Prep Pads (fire starter, too)
1 instant cold compress
2 Little Hotties hand warmers
1 4" x 4" sterile pad
1 5" X 9" ABD Pad Extra Absorbent
1 3" X 8" gauze bandage
3 Butterfly closure
11 regular bandaids
1 one inch self-adhesive bandage
4 sets of gloves
30 Hydrocodone 500 Mg tabs
12 Cipro 500 Mg tabs
30 Amoxicillin 500 Mg tabs
1 50 g QuikClot Sport
2 6" wooden splints
Assorted sizes of Moleskin Plus
1 Dressing, First-Aid, Field, 11 3/4 inches square
11 plastic snip bandaids
2 Insect Sting relief towlettes
12 antihistimines
2 twelve inch roles of one inch Velcro strapping (splints)
1 25-foot piece of paracord
1 box Luden's cough drops
1 Fresnel lens
1 BIC lighter
4 1 use size Triple Antibiotic ointment
2 antacid tablets
2 acetaminophen tablets
6 Loperamide Hydrochloride (anti diarrhea)
1 1" roll guaze
10 Q tips
1 tube chap-ez
1 splinter remover
1 single use tube of neosporin
2 single use tube of First Aid Burn Cream
1 Burnaid Burn Gel
1 NexTemp disposable thermometer
1 bottle Refresh Tears
12 Orajel medicated tooth swabs
1 First Aid Pamplet

My first aid kit sits in a pocket in my trauma kit so I still have it as well as the following items:

Trauma Kit – Ergodyne Arsenal 5215 Large Trauma Bag

Total weight including bag and EDC First Aid Kit – 15 lbs.
Nasopharyngeal Airway (sterile) (1) each of:
24Fr
26Fr
28Fr
30Fr
32Fr
34Fr
36Fr
(5) Dyna Lube single use packets (sterile) size 2.7 g #1250
(2) rolls 3m Micropore tape 1 inch
(1) roll sports tape 2 inch
(1) roll waterproof adhesive tape
(2) rolls Coban 2 inch bandage
(6) ½ in. x 4 in. Steri-strips
(9) 2 in x 4 in Flexible Adhesive Bandage
(100) ½ in X 2 ¾ in Butterfly Wound Closures
(10) 1 ¾ x 4 in Flexible Fabric bandages
(20) Orthoptic eye patches
(30) assorted size adhesive bandages
(40) 3/8 in x 1 ½ in adhesive bandages
(1) 40 in triangular bandage
(4) 2 in bandage compresses
(4) 5 in x 9 in surgical dressings
(2) 4 in x 4 in surgical sponges
(2) 3 in x 4 in non-stick pads
(3) 3 in x 8 in non-stick pads
(10) Black Talon nitrile gloves
(1) Adult resuscitator
(1) multi-fit cervical collar
(1) O2 mask with 7” tubing
(1) 36 in SAM Splint
(2) HALO seals
(1) Hyfin chest seal
(1) 13 piece surgical set *
(25) 2.5 M surgical blades
(1) 50 gram Quikclot
(2) 25 gram Quikclot
(1) 12 in abdominal bandage
(1) 6 in Israeli bandage
(1) self-administering tourniquet
(4) 2 in x 3 in burn pads
(2) chemical cold packs
(4) chemical hand warmers
(1) 1 ounce tube Bacitracin
(1) bottle 8 ounce wound wash
(1) 2.5 ounce tube SPF 30 sunscreen
(1) 4 ounce bottle hand sanitizer
(2) light weight casualty blankets
(1) mini Maglight
(1) sphygmometer
(1) Stethoscope
(30) Halls cough drops
(1) insect bite relief stick
(1) package tums
(1) ring cutter
(2) tweezers
(2) EMT sheers
(1) 4x6 waterproof notepad
(1) Rite in the rain ink pen
(2) 0.5 fluid ounce bottles lubricant eye drops
(1) pealess whistle
(1) BIC lighter
(1) Buck mini folder knife
(1) .75 ounce Badger Bug Balm
(1) Dentemp for lost fillings and loose caps
(1) Red Cross toothache kit
25 feet paracord

* I don't intend to do surgery with the kit but the various forceps and other tools could be very handy.

I manage an ambulance company in PA and what you carry in your pack is more advanced then what most EMTs or Paramedics will carry in a First in bag

The 2 things that I carry that you don't (although you carry much more) is a SOF tourniquet, very handy of you know what to do with it and oral airways neonatal to large adult

If interested ill post a list of my pack

Two other things on my mind:
1. You carry a NRM but no O2 what is your intention or is that meant for a tourniquet
2. If you are 1st aid only you are taking a large risk using this on anyone due to standard protocols what is your thought on this

[Rick]

1. My tourniquet is an SOF (see self applied tourniquet).
2. I would never take the risk of a an oral airway. I'm not trained and could easily cause serious and permanent injuries. It's the reason I carry nasopharyngeal airways. A very underrated option to airway support.
3. As you know, O2 can be supplied directly using the resuscitator. The O2 tubing is there "just in case" it's needed. O2 would be a handy thing to have I guess but acquiring it via welding O2 or aircraft O2 has it's own risk via litigation and medical O2 requires a script so.....
4. There is nothing in the kit that would put me at risk. My state has a Good Samaritan law. It's called "gratuitous emergency care" and the provider is immune from civil liability for personal injuries resulting from actions or inactions in trying to render aid. Except for gross negligence of willful misconduct I'm covered. I don't know how non-medical O2 would be viewed if it in fact caused a problem so I stay away from it.

In the case of an arterial bleed my first recourse would be QuikClot with compression bandages. A tourniquet would only be used as a last resort. And remember, my concern here is my grand kids not necessarily Joe Victim on the street but would not hesitate to help if it was needed. So far, my involvement has been for chemical ice packs for other kids that have been injured and was glad to help.

Please post your pack. I'm always interested in seeing what others have. One of the things I did was research what EMTs carry in my state and try to get as close as I could given my knowledge and training. I couldn't fix a pneumothorax for example but could help with a sucking chest wound. Just got to remember to count the holes and hope for an even number.

[Old Professor]

The one thing that I carry and would suggest is inflatable splints. They cushon as well as hold the injured part rigid.

[Rick]

OP - I was looking at those very things just before logging on. I agree. I found some reasonably priced: Foot/ankle for $6.00 plus shipping. I'm going to pick up some and add it to my kit. I have the SAM Splint but I like the idea of an air cushioned splint for the foot especially for strains/sprains. There is no picture on their web page but there is in their catalog. Looks like this however:

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[tacmedic]

Rick- you may want to check on that good samaritan law. In Iowa we also have that as well but (in the Iowa version anyway) as soon as you do something that any other "lay person" would not be able to do (I.e. the applying the c-collar or the chest seal)you have crossed the line from being a good samaritan and you are now practicing medicine without a license which, in Iowa anyway, is a class D felony and punishable by a $5,000 fine and up to 5 years in jail. Just something that you may want to check on to be safe. There have been a couple of people recently who have been prosecuted here within the past few years for similar things.

[Rick]

Teach thy necessity to reason thus;
There is no virtue like necessity. — Richard II, Act I, sc. 3

"Oh, yeah I have the stuff to fix you right up but I might get into trouble."

Indeed, there is no mention of criminal liability only civil. Still, it's my grand kids, you know?

[tacmedic]

I know what you mean about wanting to take care of your own family, and I would also rather face possible punishment than stand idly by and watch someone die. The problem that I have is the people who think they are doctors when the only training or experience they have is watching ER on TV. I think the point of those laws is to provide an outlet to punish people who hold themselves out to be something they aren't.

[Rick]

The upside to having all the equipment is that there are so many parents at these games/practices that one of them might be a doctor, EMT or someone that stayed at a Holiday Inn last night. I would be more than willing to turn it over to someone with superior knowledge.

[Survive]

Rick here is my kit

Pack:
5.11 6x6 med pack

Contents:
10 sterile 4x4 gauze
5 sterile 2x2 gauze
1 roll of water proof silk tape
7 triple antibiotic packets
1 triangle bandage
1 3 inch Ace bandage
1 9 inch SAM splint
1 SOF tourniquet
1 pocket CPR mask
10 glucose tablets
5 pairs of nitrile gloves
1 first aid booklet
1 pair of trauma sheers