Thought of another reason:
You like cleaning guns with hot soapy water
Thought of another reason:
You like cleaning guns with hot soapy water
You think the government doesn't consider a muzzleloader a firearm
Keep thinking like that and read this for those of you who live in New York State may be interested in a bill that has been introduced into the State Assembly that would require anyone who owns a muzzleloading firearm to have a license for it.
You may read the bill here:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A09543&sh=t
The bill number is A09543
This bill contains no exemptions for historic sites and museums, nor does it
contain any exemptions for living history events, reenactments, educational
programs or purposes, or interpretative events. This bill would require any
owner of such firearms to obtain a revolver/handgun permit. Such permits are
extremely difficult, expensive, and time consuming to obtain. They are
considerably prohibitive of ownership of such firearms. If passed, this bill
would make New York State the only state in the nation regulating black powder firearms, muzzle loading firearms, or antique firearms in such a manner. If passed, this bill would result in New York State possessing more stringent regulations on this type of firearms and training than any other state in the United States of America. In fact, this would institute limitations more severe than Canada currently imposes on these types of firearms.
The Fort La Présentation Association sponsors the annual Founders Day weekend at the Fort La Présentation site in Ogdensburg. This site attracts more than 200 living historians, and thousands of visitors. It makes a major economic contribution (more than $250,000) to the Ogdensburg community (the re-enactor participants alone spend approximately $20,000 directly in Ogdensburg during the weekend). This event is our major publicity event for the ongoing restoration of the Fort La Présentation Association historic site, which is currently progressing on schedule to become a major heritage-tourism economic development for not only Ogdensburg and St. Lawrence County, but for the entire North Country. If this bill were to become law, it would be impossible for the Fort La Présentation Association to host our annual Founders Day event; and our plans to create the Fort La Présentation historic site would be seriously endangered. In fact, it would be impossible for any living historians or re-enactors to enter New York State, from any adjacent state or Canada. Most living historians and re-enactors could not legally own the reproduction weapons that they currently use. This bill, if enacted into law, would eliminate living history events and re-enactments throughout the state. New York State has a rich historical heritage. There are, literally, hundreds of re-enactments and living history events that take place throughout New York State every year; and these events make a major financial contribution to many of New York State’s upstate communities. Tens of thousands of tourists enter New York State every year to learn about the military heritage and history that occurred here; and they contribute millions of dollars to our state’s economy in the process. Just within the North Country, there are numerous such historic and commemorative events held annually. These include several hosted by the Fort La Présentation Association every year; each February a War of 1812 reenactment
in Odgensburg; a large annual 1812 reenactment at Sackets Harbor Battlefield; a Civil War encampment hosted by the St. Lawrence County Historical Society at Canton; regular Fort Drum sponsored living history events; regular 1812 interpretive events at Sackets Harbor battlefield, etc. All of these events would have to be cancelled if this legislation passed.
The hundreds of museums and historic sites within New York State that own
collections of historic and antique firearms would have to disband their
collections, causing catastrophic damage to the history and heritage of the
state, and in fact preventing many of these museums that are military focused such as Rogers Island, Fort William Henry, Fort Ticonderoga and Fort Niagara from further operations. These museums and historic sites, many of which are operated on constrained budgets, would have to expend valuable funds on the management and disposal of their antique and historic firearms collections. This alone would cause many of the smaller sites to close their doors forever. A large number of historic sites in the North Country would be directly and adversely affected. The absence of an exemption for educational activities would prevent historic classes and programs from being presented to our school children; and would eliminate military history as a viable field of study within New York State. The damage caused by this bill to the history and heritage of New York State would be both inestimable and catastrophic. Many upstate communities depend upon heritage tourism as a major economiccontributor. The passage of this bill would cause severe financial challenges to these numerous upstate communities. This bill would be a terrible economic loss to many New York State residents and businesses, and would be a disgrace to New York State’s proud history and heritage.
So yeah, the government is coming for your firearms... bet on it.
Last edited by Beo; 01-29-2008 at 12:29 PM.
There is no greater solitude than that of the Tracker in the forest, unless perhaps it's that of the wolf in the wilderness.
Absolutely right. Just another reason I don't live in NY. Guess I should have qualified my post with the caveat "IF you live in a normal place"
Full post finished, and once New York State passes it, how far behind do you think the other states will be.
There is no greater solitude than that of the Tracker in the forest, unless perhaps it's that of the wolf in the wilderness.
Wait. New York is a state. When the he** did that happen? Who in their right mind would let them be a state? I suppose next they'll have a woman senator. Senatress? What's the world comin' to?
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I don't think anyone would more than one survival kit (for one trip). If your hunting and you have a gun then your survival kit should just be in ur bag or pocket. Of course mabey I'm bias because I hate the cabela outdoors ppl.
The sweet serenity of the wilderness, the only place someone can know everything about everything
Thats hilarious! Sad because its true though.....Originally Posted by dscrick
What about a 12GA flare added to that kit.
I avoid using guns in my survival packs unless I was taking a trip to Alaska. They are good at first with hunting but I have heard so many times that they jam or break easily in harsh enviroments. And you can't make a gun in the woods, or if you can fix it have some repair tools with you obviously. I stick to carrying a knife and making a bow to hunt with.
I have one of thes little shotguns also. Great little grouse getter.
I have wrapped everything in the forearm in plastic and tinfoil though. I found that it gets very wet with rain we get around here, without some sort of covering.
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"Being prepared is sometimes inconvenient, but not being prepared is always inconvenient." - Fred Choate
Excellent idea. I have a Food Saver vacuum packing unit, I can make pretty much any size "Bag" so I'll encase the survival supplies in plastic.
Hey senior cheif, you can extend the versitility by adding some Aguilla shorty 12 ga shells in your kit as well
I know what hunts you.
I was just looking at the pictures of yours. I may have to slip a space blanket or a couple of trash bags under the cartrige sleeve on mine. Good idea.
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We learn something everyday, I have one of those survivors by NEF in the .308 model. I new that the stock would open but I did not know that you could store stuff in the forend. I thought that screw was for barrel removal when cleaning. I just got the weapon about 3-5 weeks ago have and have not even had the time to fire it once yet so can't tell you how the balance on it is or how accurate it is. But from what I am hearing I am liking my purchase even more now
Thanks Senior Chief, my only day off this week and now I'm sitting here with a Mossberg 500ATP on my lap contemplating where I could store stuff. Hey, what better way to spend a day off....
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I just made a sling from paracord to add to my "kit" in my shotgun. I used the same technique as seen here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddMNkFiV7Bk
I used about 60 feet. It is actually quite comfortable to use.
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i dare say dscrick likes to hear himself talk.
Stony, get back in your cage.
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Not much, they pretty much just fall over, w/a FMJ
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