45-70 for bears, etc.

[kyratshooter]

AK dosen't turn on the shower, he stares at it until it cries.

[Rick]

It's not the fall that kills you, It's AS waiting for you at the bottom.

AS can kill two stones with one bird.

AS won a staring contest with the sun. Two feet away.

It is considered a great accomplishment to go down Niagara Falls in a wooden barrel. AS can go up Niagara Falls in a cardboard box.

AS does not know where you live, but he knows where you will die.

If you can see AS, he can see you. If you can't see AS you may be only seconds away from death.

[trax]

I shot a bear with a .30-30 once, good thing for me that bear didn't have thumbs, what with having a .30-30 and all....oh right I had the .30-30 never mind. I know guys that use .45-70 exclusively for their elk hunting excursions. Any elk I saw them with on their return were defintitely dead.

[canid]

AS once counted to infinity - twice.

[crashdive123]

AK dosen't turn on the shower, he stares at it until it cries.

It's not the fall that kills you, It's AS waiting for you at the bottom.

AS can kill two stones with one bird.

AS won a staring contest with the sun. Two feet away.

It is considered a great accomplishment to go down Niagara Falls in a wooden barrel. AS can go up Niagara Falls in a cardboard box.

AS does not know where you live, but he knows where you will die.

If you can see AS, he can see you. If you can't see AS you may be only seconds away from death.

AS once counted to infinity - twice.

Really? I heard he lived in Detroit - about 240 miles from the nearest road.
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[Batch]

AS once lived in Detroit and all of the roads moved 240 miles away just to be safe!

[Batch]

AS once lived in Detroit and all of the roads moved 240 miles away just to be safe!

they weren't...

[Camp10]

So, getting back to the OP and the premise that semi-autos are faster....Its my opinion (and I would love to hear others thoughts on this) that both lever guns and pump actions are faster with a second shot when you take accuracy into consideration. The "theory" behind this is that the motions of opening and closing the action to reload the chamber also lines the shot up for an experienced shooter where a semi-auto leaved you searching for the target. I know that I personally have never noticed a faster second shot with a semiauto except maybe with a .22 where there is no recoil.

I really like the .308 round and have stopped many deer with it (with a pump Remington) but I'll never forget the deer I got with my NEF 45-70...it dropped like a house fell on it! I like the 45-70 but not enough to make it a first choice.