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    Question How to pick a spot

    I just can't see heading for parts unknown when I have so many spots I know well. Sounds like, and sorry if I am wrong that you folks know the kinda of area you want but do you know it well enough to fade into the area? I am fortunate to be in an area that I know with plenty of options. The deep dark northern woods may be more occupied than my Appalachians if things go down the hard way. I think it's gonna be tough enough without having to learn and share strange places and the residents won't take kindly to strangers. This may sound kinda crude & cruel but if you don't have family and aren't from my neck of the woods I don't think you will be treated kindly. It will be US against the world, and we are already reasonably independent and like it that way. This is just my opinion from living and talking to folks in this area for many, many years.


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    Well, Ole Coot, I think it's a good opinion. Familiarity means a lot in survival. You know where the water, the food, and the shelter is already. That puts you way ahead of some folks that will have to be on the move.

    The area you are in and over through Daniel Boone National is a great area. I spent some time in Bluefield down on the southern border. I'd never driven straight up or down before. Quite the experience. Anyway, that was a tight bunch out there. Friendly but you knew where the line was and I never was one to try and cross it. Figured they toss me down one of those streets if I did.
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    Rick how do you know about Cutthroat back in Indiana ?? You are right the end land passage is great, with a sail boat, good eats on that coast
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    I've been up through that area. Had an office in Everett, Wa. Spent some time up in AK. I'll tell you a story sometime about being in Vancouver, B.C. on the week-end of the gay parade. My wife and I were down by English Bay when it started. What a hoot that was! It was one of the best parades I've ever seen and it went on for like three hours or so.

    We want to get back up there at least once more and do a ferry run (no, Beo. This is a boat. not a sport.) and just go from port to port. That's one thing we never did but talked about it quite a bit. One more dream on the page.
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    So the original question is where is the place to be if TSHTF? I'd think somewhere with McGyver and the Professor from Gilligan's Island. Those dudes got it covered.
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    What? What's wrong with Ginger and Mary Ann? Come on!
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    Whatever Rick

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    As stated before, the best place to be is that which your most comfortable with and know the plants and animals which can be harvested

    If you ask me, this is one of the best places, even though the winters are a little cold, if you know how to handle these elements well enough to survive, then it is only a matter of figuring out how to catch ground squirrels, and which plants won't kill you (there are plenty)

    There are good little spots if you do enough wandering that people just don't wander into very often, and this is fairly close to places where fellow humans live but far enough they won't find you, even if they look hard
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    Would there be an advantage or disadvantage to being in a small town, with only one road in and the same road out.

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    Would there be an advantage or disadvantage to being in a small town, with only one road in and the same road out.
    I would say, "Depends on what your looking for in life"
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    So, this is an anarchy scenario? government and infrastructure has failed and everyone is for himself? That sort of thing?

    Well, away from people is a good idea. Not near any major population centers. North would be good in that regard. However, if you're going to be growing/hunting for your own food, a longer growing season is also desirable, so maybe not that far north.

    I would prefer being near a small town, small towns I think would, in the end, have the greatest survival rates. A city will be torn apart by the people in it, people on their own might run out of resources, but a small town banded together, that has staying power.

    All in all, property by a mountain lake with fish would probably be my ideal. Mountains are more defensible, the lake provides food and water. An island in a lake, assuming it has a structure on it, would be ideal.

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    Growing things are great when it's stable enough to do so

    Problem is, most any formalized garden can be picked out from the air in a second

    It would be better to learn the native fauna and flora so you could be a little more mobile in such a circumstance

    If you understand human physiology some, and understand how long a person can do with out major amounts of green material, one could very easily survive on evergreen parts thru the winter and eat like a pig when spring hits with out ever giving away ones location to the enemy or needy locals

    Going to far North has it's own hazards and if you haven't studied that type of survival, you may be in for a rude awakening... Just my 2 cents...
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    Picked out from the air?

    Who would you be hiding from in this scenario that has an air force? And if they have an air force, is your homestead really going to be their priority?

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    I thought we were trying to hide

    Besides, I would probably set up a little closer to a small town of sorts so as to wreck havoc on uninvited guests
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    Good post, Remy. Conjures up "The Omega Man" for those that remember. The larger cities are a wilderness all to themselves. I stated early on another post that I'd sit right where I am. My family is here, I know the lay of the land. I have a lake nearby. Enough protection and good neighbors (at least in peace time). And the area would be pretty easy to defend if we had to. I have no idea where I'd run to. But I do know I'd be vulnerable in the process. Unless some natural phenomenon forced me to move, I'll still be here.
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    I hate to but , remy, has some very good points , as to stealing that too is a skill that I would hope we do not practice . The homeless have a way of life and much as we do not like it , perhaps there is some value that can be leaned even there
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    Also a good point, Smok. The homeless are survivors in a different wilderness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by remy View Post
    I was at ikea the other day.
    Mind you, i live in Los Angeles.
    I realized, watching people load their SUV's with different size boxes...that the best place would be right here. In the middle of 15 million or so morons and utterly inapt individuals at using their hands and minds. I sat their and watched them dance around over sized items, scratching their heads and even looking around for some assistance.
    I did a little experiment and offered my services to a young couple trying to fit a mirror in a mazda 3...
    They would provide me with everything i need...for ever.
    I can hide, loose myself, reappear, take, share, trade, buy, scavenge...all under very little scrutiny. No need to make shelter, everything can be found, traded, bought, stolen...even skills.

    Their is not enough anonymity in small towns for my taste. One little quarrel and everyone becomes involved...no where to hide. And the skills you carry do not weight much, since you will be among individuals that have the same skills as you do.

    I understand the first instinct is to run away from people, and i can surely find some value to this approach. But my city, offers so much...if you know how to be within it, without being in it.

    For many years i believed in the "going north" thing...the truth is, that the logistics are so complex, that my family would probably never make it pass the 405.
    Many things can be done at a civilian level in a big city to melt in different neighborhood programs and be alerted, and even attached to fire fighter units and therefore be given radios for example.
    Neighbor relations have to be a priority, and most of all, an intimate knowledge of the city and the neighborhood. Its resources, its weaknesses, its strength...doctors, specialists, cops, ex-military personal all live within, and all have skills and knowledge that can be utilized with greater capacities than a small town that will be cut off from supplies...harsh winters, and so on. Skilled individuals, would most likely band together for obvious reasons.

    I don't need extra cloths or worry about the cold, most folks have no weapons, tools, food, water, clues, skills, and with the right pressure, plans and intimate psychological knowledge, strengths and resources are around the block.

    The configuration and structures of a city makes for great evading, camouflaging, spying, hiding, waiting, sheltering, and overall provides us with unlimited supplies of anything imaginable.

    We have also put in place a wide network of "friendlies", each with supplies which would make for mobility. Of course, all of this depends on the threat at play, but as a general rule, where i am is the place to be, regardless of it be a big city, a small town or the wild, they all have their advantages and inconveniences.
    Did you live in LA during the riots?

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    Oh Ancient one (I give this title only in the highest of respect)

    I see where you’re coming from and it looks to work absolutely in your case

    At one time, I would have fit nicely in the same scenario a couple states north of you

    Now, I feel more at home in this environment to do the same as you, only on a smaller scale

    I have been training to fit into more of a "Red Dawn" type application

    I have a great respect for those who could dwell inside of a great metropolis and come out on top

    Most don't feel a kin to the wide open spaces of our country, quite the opposite (which suits me, not so many souls filling it up)

    But hey, it’s just these types of differences that have made this country great in the first place
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