Getting out during Martial Law

[Pal334]

Actually, I really am a good guy (ask my mama)

At your prompting, I did re listen to the You Tube Post, and the other two you recently posteds

Title ; Martial Law is Coming: There is absolutely no mention of Martial Law. The only reference to gun taking was by the Chief of Police (I am on record with my opinion of him). The National Guard instruction (that was shown) (I will paraphrase) " If anyone refuses to leave when you knock on their door make note and call it in. So I am sure from its content that the title is unwarranted sensationalism. Now if you are concerned about your local police that is obviously a different matter.

The next one. The untold story of gun confiscations after Katrina Seems all references are to Police Misconduct and I don't see any Martial law implications.

And Finally: How close are we to Martial law Was entertaining, but was referring to alledged use of the clergy by the Federal government? I can not disagree that it is a story on some sort of news show, but the word of two alledged clergy men does not substantiate the allegation. And frankly sounds absurd.

So I repeat, I still am not tracking your stand on the envitability of martial law, nothing so far supports that.

So, rather than getting our dander up, I propose that we agree to disagree and get a cup of coffee (I will make mine decaf)

[Rick]

I think everyone agrees that weapons were confiscated. It has since been rule illegal by the courts so its unlikely you'll see that again. More importantly, when you move to a defensible site, who are you defending against? Feds? NG? Don't you think that would be an invitation to be squashed like a grape?

[klickitat]

What about Greensburg or Sheridin County?

Let's get past the gun thing. Under martial law you can be forced to leave your home, you can be incarcerated without cause, you can have any food, water or medical supplies confiscated without cause, you can and will be put under curfew, all movement will only happen if allowed by the military and so on.

No thanks, I will be out of the area with in 60 minutes of an incident and the reason I have several cache points scattered out and about. Yes I do keep a supply at the house but no more than I keep in each cache.

The government is NOT my enemy, but it is incompetent and definitely can not take care of me or my family.

[klickitat]

You are right that martial law was not enacted. they were called emergencies and in all three cases the national guard was called in. The last time I checked the national guard was part of the military.

i am concerned that the actions taken no matter what they are called is what is important.

Yes I would sit down with both you guys ANY day of the week for a cup of coffee, tea or good Irish whiskey. I do not let a disagreement get in the way. Heck that would make for short marriages?

[Rick]

On, no issue here, either. Debate is a healthy thing that leads to learning. At the very least we gain an understanding of each other's position.

[Pal334]

"The last time I checked the national guard was part of the military." It is convoluted, day to day and incidents like Katrina they remain under state control (so the posse comitatus act does not apply). Then they are Federalized for other ventures (overseas deployments etc) where Posse comitatus act does apply.

Mmmm, Irish Whiskey eh? Make mine neat Always a good way to settle discussions, or at least make them not matter as much

[kyratshooter]

If the issue is this disturbing, and this important to you, why are you living in a place you will have to deal with it.

Fortunately this nation is still free enough that you have the ability to remove yourself from the situation. Why wait until you are dodging patrols and running roadblocks, 4wheeling across country or carrying some 75 pound pack to a national forest so you can live like a ninja boyscout along with 30 or 40 million others that are trying to live on roots and berries?

Move now.

If you choose to remain in a place where these decisions will confront you it was and is your own choice.

[Rick]

Ninja boyscouts live in the national forests? Who knew?!

[Ole WV Coot]

Well, not to get anyone hot but the DC guard in the '60s made me want to walk across the Potomac and head South. Had 2 guardsmen at the entrance of a building I was working in after the checkpoints and escort. I was glad to see them UNTIL I asked if they had any ammo and they said they didn't know. They did have bayonets and asked ME if I could show them how to put them on. I looked across the street and watched a guardsman drag his rifle by the strap, butt dragging on the concrete. Had a relative, two tours in Vietnam that told me he was shot at 26 times in Detroit and had NO ammo. Also many men fresh from the boonies of SE Asia were sent to Anacostia and weren't allowed off the base. Couldn't be trusted to baby the looters. What I am trying to say is you can't depend on the authorities for any protection and you may be lucky enough to make your own decision to stay or go. I didn't have a choice, you do so plan for it, that's why I live where I do and enjoy being amongst the rest of the Rednecks around here.

[kyratshooter]

Ninja boyscouts live in the national forests? Who knew?!

They will be if every goofball with an alice pack heads there as their BOL! Which is actually the plan for 75% of the "survivalists" today.

The rest intend to head for Mamas house, 3 cities(probbly under ML), 5 rivers, 2 mountain ranges, 3 tanks of gas and 1,200 miles away.

Ask them where they intend to go and then look for the key word; OPSEC= which means "we don't know, so we can't tell!"

[crashdive123]

I think I'll just stay here. Looks like it should be nice and quiet with everybody else leaving.

[BENESSE]

My sentiments exactly.

[Rick]

"goofball with an Alice pack". Too funny. Hey, wait a minute......

[klickitat]

If the issue is this disturbing, and this important to you, why are you living in a place you will have to deal with it.

Fortunately this nation is still free enough that you have the ability to remove yourself from the situation. Why wait until you are dodging patrols and running roadblocks, 4wheeling across country or carrying some 75 pound pack to a national forest so you can live like a ninja boyscout along with 30 or 40 million others that are trying to live on roots and berries?

Move now.

If you choose to remain in a place where these decisions will confront you it was and is your own choice.

I actually seen this last night and decided to sleep on it before posted.

First, you need to go back and read my posts. Particularly this line; "
The government is NOT my enemy, but it is incompetent and definitely can not take care of me or my family. "

I find your flaming post a bit offensive. You do not know me from Adam, you did not know that I am former law enforcement, you did not know that I own and operate run a pro law enforcement and pro government website.

If you were an astute observer of postings on the site, you would have realized that I live in the middle of where you want to be. I live in a lightly populated area in the middle of some of millions of wild acreage. I am the guy who is set up with a network of others who have multiple bug out routes, multiple cultivated wilderness gardens, caches on the way to each location and well stocked supplies at each destination.

Next, I am not like you or half the people on here who lives in densely populated areas. I grew up doing most of the stuff you dream about as a way of life. I would be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that I spent more time in the woods the first 18 years of my life than you have your entire life.

I feed my family of 6 by hunting, fishing and gathering every year. Elk, deer, bear, grouse, salmon, trout, catfish, sharks, rock bass, crayfish, crab, clams, oysters, huckleberries, black berries, chantrels, morels, bears head, oyster mushrooms, hazel nuts, apple, pears, cherries, not to mention all the wild plants that we pick such as pine apple weed, mint, wild onion, nettle, pig weed, cat tails and so on.

BTW: I am not the only like this in the area I live. More than 3/4 of the local population are just like our family and do the same.

To the point that I found extremely offensive. Just because i do not trust the government to take care of me does not mean that I do not love this country. I live my life as a productive citizen, but when and if things ever fall apart, I have a duty to protect my family the very best I can.

If you feel the government can do that for you and your family, then be my guest and enjoy your stay in Hotel Stadium. I am sure you can find some good reviews for it from Katrina victims.

[kyratshooter]

No, you SAW this at 3 am eastern time.

You did not read my posts thoroughly either.

I said we choose where we live. It is a choice.

A second point being that if you live where you choose, and your location supplies all these needs for you and 3/4 of the local population why are you worried about bugging out or martial law either one.

Katrina was a major urban center, second largest port in the nation with the most corrupt PD, local administration and shabbiest infrastructure in the nation. Of course the police stole everything that was not nailed down, that is what the police in New Orleins do

The pop was warned. Many left. Most that did not leave "could not leave" due to transportation. They were at the Superdome waiting for buses, remember? Their crappy local government saw the storm comming for a week. The people saw the storm comming for a week. Hundreds of school busses drowned in their parking spaces due to political infighting and the proper palms not being greased while peoples bodies wound up floating in the water.

Martial law is usually placed in effect to control large populations in urban areas that have gone out of control.

If you live in Primal Scream, Alaska with two police cars and three deputies in the whole county why are you bent out of shape over getting out if martial law is imposed. Who is going to impose it, why, and using who as enforcement. Are you guys planning a riot in the huckleberry patch or expecting a Taliban serin attack?

I do not live near the gulf coast, and am as well spaced between minor urban centers as is possible in my area. this is where i choose to live, just like you. and i choose this area due to the low possibility of hurricane, flood, famine or martal law affecting me. My largest concern is how many nuts with backpacks are my neighbors and I going to have to kill protecting our small community.

I don't trust government of any kind, but I do not hate government. Equally, I am old enough to know not to trust telemarketers, spammers, door to door salesmen and telivision evangilists. I do not hate them either.

Nothing I said was intended as a personal attack on anyone or their lifestyle choices. Live where you want to live. If that is a town enjoy the conviniences you have and deal with the worries of concentrated population. If it is a rural or wilderness area have a blast. Just be wary of the sudden influx of AK toting backpackers during crisis situations.

This seems so logical, why is it so difficult to understand?

[SARKY]

First off, there will always be several scenarios that you may have to contend with. Are you home, work, shopping? Where is the rest of your family? Can you link up? Have a meet up place but have a time limit for meeting there. Have an alternate (safer) meet place for meeting up past the time limit. Also have a message drop at both places (make it discrete!) If possible have a cache near the safer(more remote) meet up (rally) spot.
Don't forget phone number outside the state that all of you can call in to and check in with your status.

[klickitat]

Some of what I felt was a little inflammatory, pushed me to take the entirety of your statement as an attack, if you say it was not then i accept that.

I actually live here in Western Washington. Yes I do worry about martial law. Why, because in the event of an attack of the bio, nuclear or chemical attack in one of the major cities along I-5 the entire route will be locked down. We also have train tracks that run through and some times it carrier military hardware and every day it carries dangerous chemicals. In the even of a spill there could very well be disaster in my back yard. What happens if the grid goes down? What happens if the Mt. blows again? How about an accident at one of the paper plants in Tacoma or Longview? What about a tsunami on the coast? What happens if the grid goes down from an EMP or a solar flare?


There are many reason that could cause the Military to come in and try to help. My problem is that I don't think they do a very good job and prefer to help myself.

Just to turn it around on you a little bit. Why learn any survival techniques if you are just going to stay home? We all do things to prepare us for things we hope will never happen, but.........

[Rick]

Why learn any survival techniques if you are just going to stay home?

I can probably answer that because I'm a bug in kinda guy, too. The reason I learn and practice survival techniques is that I've seen what cyclones, tornadoes, winter blizzards and floods can do. Up close and personal. Beyond that, I like to spend time outdoors and my survival skills go right along with me just like they do with everyone else.

If I have to leave my home, I will. That's why I have a Bug Out Bag, too.

[kyratshooter]

One learns wilderness survival skills in case something happens while one is in the wilderness. I spend a great deal of time in the outdoors and need to be prepared for emergency situations while I am there. Almost all wilderness survival training concentrates on regaining contact with civilization as soon as possible. Not long term avoidance of human contact.

I also pursue many wilderness survival skills as part of my educational background. I have lived and worked in living history villages for extended periods and what we call survival 18th and 19th Century people just called daily life.

I lived the Red Dawn senerio for two years of my life. I am certain I would not survive it more than a few weeks at my present age and do not study survival skills expecting to live in a brush hut for years on end.

Urban/suburban/home survival skills are for emergency situations which everyone will encounter if they live long enough. Some are transferred from the wilderness skills, others might be pure technology transfer situations like cooking on the grill or fire pit while the grid is down, heating with the camp gear during an ice storm power outage, first aid skills that are usable in any situation.

Long term disaster plans and training are just that. They are my long term food preps, vehicle preps, modifications to my house for long term off grid use, long term food production and health maintainance supplies.

Locking down the train tracks has been done many times. If hazardous chemicals are forcing an emergency evacustion I do not care if martial law is in force or not, I am leaving. I will follow the little men with florescent srtipes on their clothes until am clear.

The use of the National Defense Highway System exclusively by the military was its reason for existance and has always been a possibility. It does not even require martial law. It was built for rapid transit for troops, they allow us to use it when they don't need it.

The other things you mention have no association with a need for declaring full martial law. they happen every day, somewhere. I chose my location to eliminate as many as possible. I still have to worry about tornado and earthquake, but in a minimal way and there is absolutely nothing I can do about either of those things.

Martial law is not someone forcing you to evacuate. Martial law is the replacement of the civil system with military control to enclude law enforcement, judicial codes and administration. It is used when the entire system breaks down and no longer functions by some official's definition. The basic concern is normally not evacuation, it is suspension of the writ of habius corpus.

If martial law were declared nationally, regionally or statewide, just running to the woods would not remove you from its impact. You are still subject to the provisions and may well be jailed indefinately, without trial, for curview violation or just being out of your house and off your property with out a pass.

The best thing you can do if you fear martial law is insure that you have reps in congress that will not approve the imposition of martial law, without just cause. The president can impose it but congress must aprove it. And there must be a military system in place that will exicute the orders as lawful.

[TucsonMax]

"Getting out during Martial Law".... all I know is, when you "get out" and have no place to go, you're called a refugee. To me that would include "places" like a forest or mountain or national park. If it doesn't have a postal address... you're a refugee. How could that possibly be a "plan?"