primitive survival

As part of me taking up some reigns and becoming an elite Survival Ranger,
one of the topics and directions I am quiet eager to do and design a some form of course around that also.
So I am basically thinking of how to formulate it, to put it into maybe a 48 hour end objective of the learner.
I am just trying to brain storm the frame work and skills around it.
And maybe perhaps break it down I would imagine to I guess separate skills and or modules to learn.
So lets say we have a primitive skills basics , and advanced primitive skills.
ending with a 48 hour or maybe 72 hour Primitive survival scenario.
So far I think would have to break down into:

Fire making:
the various main friction methods.
Cordage making
Cutting tool/s making - flint mapping etc.
Shelter making
Trap making
Weapons making - hunting and defense.
Wild foods - foraging and preparations.
Water purification methods.
Primitive navigation methods.

any comment?

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Originally Posted by Antonyraison

As part of me taking up some reigns and becoming an elite Survival Ranger,
one of the topics and directions I am quiet eager to do and design a some form of course around that also.
So I am basically thinking of how to formulate it, to put it into maybe a 48 hour end objective of the learner.
I am just trying to brain storm the frame work and skills around it.
And maybe perhaps break it down I would imagine to I guess separate skills and or modules to learn.
So lets say we have a primitive skills basics , and advanced primitive skills.
ending with a 48 hour or maybe 72 hour Primitive survival scenario.
So far I think would have to break down into:

Fire making:
the various main friction methods.
Cordage making
Cutting tool/s making - flint mapping etc.
Shelter making
Trap making
Weapons making - hunting and defense.
Wild foods - foraging and preparations.
Water purification methods.
Primitive navigation methods.

any comment?

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I see a good start.....but many subjects are extensive....maybe not to all covered in that time frame...
Just attempted to prioritize .....(IMO)

A).Primitive skills basics
......Water location and purification methods.
.......Fire making:
the various main friction methods.
......Shelter making
......Wild foods - foraging and preparations...(this is a big subject....maybe pick a local go to or two?...For starters)
B) Primitive skills ...Advanced.
.....Cordage making
.....Trap making
.....Cutting tool/s making - flint mapping etc...(big subject as well......need to pick a few examples)
.....Weapons making - hunting and defense.
.....Primitive navigation methods.

As you well know, all subjects can be expanded or rearranged depending of your students.....just be careful or getting bogged down.
I would want to break it into small sections with practice time....

Sounds like a fun project.

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Originally Posted by hunter63

I see a good start.....but many subjects are extensive....maybe not to all covered in that time frame...
Just attempted to prioritize .....(IMO)

A).Primitive skills basics
......Water location and purification methods.
.......Fire making:
the various main friction methods.
......Shelter making
......Wild foods - foraging and preparations...(this is a big subject....maybe pick a local go to or two?...For starters)
B) Primitive skills ...Advanced.
.....Cordage making
.....Trap making
.....Cutting tool/s making - flint mapping etc...(big subject as well......need to pick a few examples)
.....Weapons making - hunting and defense.
.....Primitive navigation methods.

As you well know, all subjects can be expanded or rearranged depending of your students.....just be careful or getting bogged down.
I would want to break it into small sections with practice time....

Sounds like a fun project.

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you right.
It is extensive.
And yes I would likely break it down.
I think what I am going to do is see what is easier to learn and do and implement quicker at first..to cover the priorities
and I feel that is water,shelter and fire.
food being the last priority.
I have a lot of testing to do, and trial and error with some of the things...
and other things a lot of research,esp for the foods/medicines.. very are specific and seasonal.
but yeah I am keen to work on it.
and also Keen to still do a 48 hour solo primitive.

Good luck....sounds fun....
If I was 39 instead of 69....... I'd I go with you.

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Originally Posted by hunter63

Good luck....sounds fun....
If I was 39 instead of 69....... I'd I go with you.

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Thank you man.
I have had a guy that was 67 on one of our survival adventures. I rather have some one like you experienced, than a young guy. Young people lack depth.

I would need porters...They still have them.....?

You have seen my primitive camp.... right?....
My "porter" is a F-250 with cargo trailer.
Sometimes up-grade to Pop-up travel trailer.

The inclination to freeze, cook your butt off, get soaked, bugs...lots of bugs....no sleep (getting hard to get up off the ground)....and chasing that magic stick that poke you no matter what.....Has waned a bit.

Primitive is ....whirlpool broken....No room service.

But you are correct....most older guys I know...are still curious and will give you a chance....
Although you may get a "Well, I suppose you could do it that way....But maybe want to try"

Many younger guys already know everything.....LOL

I have not seen your Primitive camp.
F250? cool you fit right in my area hahaha. In-fact you be idolized...they awesome trucks.
Africa is nice most times of year except summer is sooo dang hot the rest well its awesome...can be very dry in areas...
your primitive sounds like my daily :)

Medicinal herbs, bush medicine stuff happens and when your hours or more from medical treatment knowledge could save there life. At the very least plantain for healing property's, bites, yarrow for bleeding internal external, comfrey for sprains, charcoal for diariea, Mullien for respretory problems keep it simple and easily identifying for beginners

yeah, thats the idea. Just we dont have any of those species here... but yip we have other plants that do that.

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Originally Posted by Antonyraison

I have not seen your Primitive camp.
F250? cool you fit right in my area hahaha. In-fact you be idolized...they awesome trucks.
Africa is nice most times of year except summer is sooo dang hot the rest well its awesome...can be very dry in areas...
your primitive sounds like my daily :)

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Not to steal your thread.....
Pack Mule...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...pstsxqv9mx.jpg

Camp going up...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...ps6e04018f.jpg

In storm mode...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...weetHome-2.jpg

Burning ban....Butane stove for coffee..

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...y/DSCF1125.jpg

My favorite position.....just got done with set up....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...psnlh4tslu.jpg

The cordage lady's camp.....I really like this style for packing.....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...ps6c0ym3ux.jpg


Back to your regular scheduled "primitive"

I'd say you should focus on short term survival skills for the basic and long term skills for the advanced. For example there is no need to trap food for the average 78 hr survival scenario, so why teach it? Keep it simple, water, fire, shelter, navigation, signaling, First Aid. For the advanced techniques you could do bushcraft, traps, weapons, fishing etc But that's more for fun

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Originally Posted by jpqs

I'd say you should focus on short term survival skills for the basic and long term skills for the advanced. For example there is no need to trap food for the average 78 hr survival scenario, so why teach it? Keep it simple, water, fire, shelter, navigation, signaling, First Aid. For the advanced techniques you could do bushcraft, traps, weapons, fishing etc But that's more for fun

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Agree to disagree many times short term survival becomes long term

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Originally Posted by Graf

Agree to disagree many times short term survival becomes long term

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When?

What are your numbers and verification other than sensationalist news reports being the only thing that hits the media?

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Originally Posted by kyratshooter

When?

What are your numbers and verification other than sensationalist news reports being the only thing that hits the media?

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Real life experience hunting trip with my brothers turned into a hunting accident. Instead of being gone 1 day, we were gone 5 with just what we had in our pockets and 1 meal. Things go south fast, so yes short term can become long term. 5 days may seem short term to some add the factor of one hunter being wounded severely, all teenagers, November Northern Michigan with a vehicle that won't start in the middle of no where, it gets real, fast.

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Originally Posted by hunter63

Not to steal your thread.....
Pack Mule...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...pstsxqv9mx.jpg

Camp going up...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...ps6e04018f.jpg

In storm mode...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...weetHome-2.jpg

Burning ban....Butane stove for coffee..

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...y/DSCF1125.jpg

My favorite position.....just got done with set up....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...psnlh4tslu.jpg

The cordage lady's camp.....I really like this style for packing.....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...ps6c0ym3ux.jpg


Back to your regular scheduled "primitive"

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wow.
you call that primative hahahahahaha. I camp with my fiance and 4 dogs far more rough than that.
But very nice, that truck is MASSIVE.

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Originally Posted by Graf

Real life experience hunting trip with my brothers turned into a hunting accident. Instead of being gone 1 day, we were gone 5 with just what we had in our pockets and 1 meal. Things go south fast, so yes short term can become long term. 5 days may seem short term to some add the factor of one hunter being wounded severely, all teenagers, November Northern Michigan with a vehicle that won't start in the middle of no where, it gets real, fast.

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short term long term.
I think the skills should be tought none the less. however possibly split up into a primitive bushcraft.
Traps are not too difficult to make and learn, well some of them like a dead fall etc are very easy.
So yeah I dont see putting every thing into the syllabus. I see putting in maybe 2-3 of each various things, being the easiest and quickest and best bang for buck type things.

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Originally Posted by Antonyraison

wow.
you call that primative hahahahahaha. I camp with my fiance and 4 dogs far more rough than that.
But very nice, that truck is MASSIVE.

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Thanks......
We have camped in every thing from a pine tree (under)...to campers and condo's

We didn't know it was bushcraft, ot surviving..... just living in the woods for hunting, fishing.... and work (tree trimming crew).

I enj0y seeing what people mcome up with and actually "use".
Too many demonstrations of activities.... but not actual used, shelters, fires. traps, ..... etc.

That's why I enjoy your post and vid's... and a few couple of other posters ....actually doing activities..

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Originally Posted by hunter63

Not to steal your thread.....
Pack Mule...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...pstsxqv9mx.jpg

Camp going up...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...ps6e04018f.jpg

In storm mode...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...weetHome-2.jpg

Burning ban....Butane stove for coffee..

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...y/DSCF1125.jpg

My favorite position.....just got done with set up....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...psnlh4tslu.jpg

The cordage lady's camp.....I really like this style for packing.....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...ps6c0ym3ux.jpg


Back to your regular scheduled "primitive"

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I have those exact blankets on my chairs right now. And my floor as rugs.

Somebody somewhere is making a fortune with those things.

Yeah there was a vender that was selling them ....
Man, that a long time ago at Rondy....(lots of venders....LOL)
They were cheap...all wool....we bought a bunch of them....

I always wanted to make a Clint Eastwood Fist full of Dollars "Poncho....".

http://www.fishpond.com/Homeware/Cli...aooaAl_v8P8HAQ

Our cabin has railing in the 2 lofts....we are using a few more as screens and room dividers.
........and slept under them many nights.
Looking at at red and black striped blanket right now....

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Originally Posted by Antonyraison

As part of me taking up some reigns and becoming an elite Survival Ranger,
one of the topics and directions I am quiet eager to do and design a some form of course around that also.
So I am basically thinking of how to formulate it, to put it into maybe a 48 hour end objective of the learner.
I am just trying to brain storm the frame work and skills around it.
And maybe perhaps break it down I would imagine to I guess separate skills and or modules to learn.
So lets say we have a primitive skills basics , and advanced primitive skills.
ending with a 48 hour or maybe 72 hour Primitive survival scenario.
So far I think would have to break down into:

Fire making:
the various main friction methods.
Cordage making
Cutting tool/s making - flint mapping etc.
Shelter making
Trap making
Weapons making - hunting and defense.
Wild foods - foraging and preparations.
Water purification methods.
Primitive navigation methods.

any comment?

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1. Probably too "complex" for a "short term" school but what about making shoes/moccasins? I guess you would need to teach tanning first....and how to harvest/prepare/use sinew
2. For sure when you are in the "tool making mode" awls from bone, horn, wood and stone???

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Originally Posted by hunter63

Thanks......
We have camped in every thing from a pine tree (under)...to campers and condo's

We didn't know it was bushcraft, ot surviving..... just living in the woods for hunting, fishing.... and work (tree trimming crew).

I enj0y seeing what people mcome up with and actually "use".
Too many demonstrations of activities.... but not actual used, shelters, fires. traps, ..... etc.

That's why I enjoy your post and vid's... and a few couple of other posters ....actually doing activities..

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I really like your camp, its kind like reminds me of almost war re-enactment type style tents and such... very nice.
I am glad you enjoy my videos I enjoy doing them, and sharing how we do things here.

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Originally Posted by DSJohnson

1. Probably too "complex" for a "short term" school but what about making shoes/moccasins? I guess you would need to teach tanning first....and how to harvest/prepare/use sinew
2. For sure when you are in the "tool making mode" awls from bone, horn, wood and stone???

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good suggestions,
the more I think of this the more I realise it would likely have to be seperate modules..
ending in a 48-72 hour like senarios...
and perhaps the people bring the items they made previously on the other course modules to use.

Maybe you can include fishing. The nature preserves in my area don't allow hunting.

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Originally Posted by Antonyraison

Fire making:
the various main friction methods.
Cordage making
Cutting tool/s making - flint mapping etc.
Shelter making
Trap making
Weapons making - hunting and defense.
Wild foods - foraging and preparations.
Water purification methods.
Primitive navigation methods.

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I'd probably move navigation closer to the top of the list, at least some basic form of it anyway. Not knowing how to do that might turn a routine hike into a survival situation. Armed with that knowledge maybe all the rest of the stuff you teach them will be skills, not necessities. :)

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Originally Posted by theJman

I'd probably move navigation closer to the top of the list, at least some basic form of it anyway. Not knowing how to do that might turn a routine hike into a survival situation. Armed with that knowledge maybe all the rest of the stuff you teach them will be skills, not necessities. :)

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Thanks,
but yeah this is not a list of most important to least important.
this is just a list of things I could identify to cover..
if it where a list of most important to least water would like be right up there.

more like 48 days to demo and learn all that, not 48 hours. If you dont know what you're doing and really know your area, then you should be carrying a rental satellite phone. All this knowledge aint gonna help you if you are cut off by avalanche, fire, flooding, or if you get snake-bit, break your leg, etc. But the sat phone WILL.

never heard of a flint "map" :-)Is that something new?