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Smok
11-11-2007, 01:40 AM
If you are of value to others they will help keep you alive that was what I was told onetime .But how do you do that ?? :confused:

sam30248
11-11-2007, 02:37 AM
If you are of value to others they will help keep you alive that was what I was told onetime .But how do you do that ?? :confused:

by keeping your skills up to par, knowledge is a good part of it so you can teach the others

LadyTrapper
11-11-2007, 07:55 AM
If you have good survival skills and are of use to them, they wont eat you? I dont know? LMAO

FVR
11-11-2007, 10:48 AM
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If you are of value to others they will help keep you alive that was what I was told onetime .But how do you do that ??


So you put your survival in the hands of others. You give away all your authority and decision making capabilities, you need in yourself to satisfy others in the group, so they like you and keep you in the group.


Not quite my way of thinking.

But hey, to each his own.

dilligaf2u2
11-11-2007, 11:19 AM
In your case Smok! Short skirts, a willing smile, a wink and knowing how to make beer. You do know how to make beer, Right? If you don't? You better look real good in your wifes high heels!

In my case! Knowing how to turn dung into a weapon. I don't need them, they will need me or need to stay out of my way.

Don

HOP
11-11-2007, 01:58 PM
I know how to convert food into fertilizer and if you kill and eat your group members what are you doing with the skins , I would think knowing how to tan skins and turn them into nifty useful items and you could probably get a few laughs with a humerus bone as well.

owl_girl
11-11-2007, 05:30 PM
I would make myself useful but not because I’d be worried about them keeping me alive. Being in a group would have some benefits but I am the one responsible for keeping me alive.

trax
11-13-2007, 09:35 PM
but if I'm with a group of people in a survival situation and I even have an inkling of a notion that they're thinking of making me their next main course or whatever....they better start coming up with reasons why they're of some value to me...

Strider
11-13-2007, 10:12 PM
heya, wat is it, the playstation 2? "challenge everything".... whichever it was i dunno
do the best u can and spread ur knowledge to the utmost extent

Beo
11-14-2007, 11:08 AM
If you have compotent survival skills then you are valued member, me I'm going it alone if the sh*t hits the fan, then when you come around my area you better have skills I need or get the f**k away. Plus what Trax said :D And here we go on another cannibalism thread again... no stay away!!!

trax
11-15-2007, 12:01 PM
cannabalism. If the push comes to the shove, coyotes and ravens gotta eat too.

Smok
11-15-2007, 09:23 PM
Yes I do make beer very GOOD BEER One of the skill I'm working is Herbalism , Black smithing ..My basest survival skills are go and I don't see myself staying just in survival mode for all that long ..I Pray ........ :rolleyes: I may look good in high heels :eek:..:D

Rick
11-24-2007, 03:59 PM
Sorry folks. I'm not a "me only" kind of guy. I think there are strengths in numbers and I think others compliment my weak points (not that I have many mind you). Even a SHTF situation requires a team play. Maybe more so. Those of you that have been Rangers, Seals, Recon, SOS, SAS, know what I'm talkin' about. Lady Owl was right on the mark when she said, "I am the one responsible for keeping me alive." But we had better be prepared to help each other as well.

You'll be welcome in my camp and you can share my coffee. I would like to think I would be welcome in yours even in the worst of times.

By the way Dilagaf, dung is weapon already. If you fling it at me I'm gonna move. :O)

Sarge47
11-24-2007, 07:09 PM
Sorry folks. I'm not a "me only" kind of guy. I think there are strengths in numbers and I think others compliment my weak points (not that I have many mind you). Even a SHTF situation requires a team play. Maybe more so. Those of you that have been Rangers, Seals, Recon, SOS, SAS, know what I'm talkin' about. Lady Owl was right on the mark when she said, "I am the one responsible for keeping me alive." But we had better be prepared to help each other as well.

You'll be welcome in my camp and you can share my coffee. I would like to think I would be welcome in yours even in the worst of times.

By the way Dilagaf, dung is weapon already. If you fling it at me I'm gonna move. :O)

Not only do we share the same name, it looks to me like we think alike!:cool:

Rick
11-24-2007, 08:38 PM
What do you expect from a Rick...except miracles and brainiac kind of stuff? By the way Sarge, there is no Western Illinois as your avatar implies. There is Illinois then there is Cook County. Am I right or what?

Sarge47
11-25-2007, 01:40 AM
What do you expect from a Rick...except miracles and brainiac kind of stuff? By the way Sarge, there is no Western Illinois as your avatar implies. There is Illinois then there is Cook County. Am I right or what?

You just might be. I'd love to post a pic on my avatar lie you all do but I don't think I can.:rolleyes:

Ole WV Coot
11-25-2007, 06:34 PM
You ain't gonna make it depending on anyone but yourself. Anyone ever been in a bar fight and your so called friends cut out? Well that's a lesson I remember so I would probably go it alone. Paranoid? Maybe but I know my strengths and weaknesses better than anyone.

Rick
11-25-2007, 07:30 PM
Ole Coot you might be right. I hope not but you might be. Mankind has always been a social animal. We started out in clans and we're still hanging in there and we still have some social order (I'm not talking politics). Sure, we fight amongst ourselves like most other animals but we also are quick to help one another when the chips are down. Without that we loose the civil in civilization and become little more than scavengers and opportunists. Not one member of my family and not one of my neighbors would turn their back when the chips are down. I've seen it too many times. From tornadoes to floods to just someone out of work. When things are the worst that's when everyone is at their best. I sure wouldn't want that to change. Just my 2 cents....again.

Hey Sarge - Why can't you post an avatar?

Sarge47
11-25-2007, 10:58 PM
Hey Sarge - Why can't you post an avatar?

I don't know how.:confused:

Ole WV Coot
11-26-2007, 05:59 PM
I hope you're correct Rick. I have been on my own and had to depend on myself since 1963. I never had any brothers or sisters and never lived closer than about 500 miles to where I grew up. Family is more important than anything, but I just never got close to anyone I could depend on.

Rick
11-26-2007, 08:56 PM
Sarge - click on USER CP at the top. Edit Avatar. Click on Custom Avatar and upload the avatar you want. If you tell me what you'd like to use, I'll send you some to choose from.

Ole Coot - Not cool. Family is the most important thing IMHO, just as you said, and if I had a wish for you it would be to for you to be surrounded by family and friends that you could count on and trust. None closer than one foot farther than the boundary of your land of course :o) I'd welcome you in camp anytime.

Sarge47
11-26-2007, 09:47 PM
Sarge - click on USER CP at the top. Edit Avatar. Click on Custom Avatar and upload the avatar you want. If you tell me what you'd like to use, I'll send you some to choose from.

Ole Coot - Not cool. Family is the most important thing IMHO, just as you said, and if I had a wish for you it would be to for you to be surrounded by family and friends that you could count on and trust. None closer than one foot farther than the boundary of your land of course :o) I'd welcome you in camp anytime.

Rick: Thanks. I dug this out of the archives. One of our own designed it back when we 1st started calling ourselves the "Wolf-Pack". I'll probably change it later though.:cool:

Ole Coot: Remember the old saying: "No man is an island"? How about "Safety in numbers"? And who can ever forget Vince Lombardi's "Who's jock strap is this"? The solo act works only as well as you do. I remember the question that I asked "The Bare Wilderness" guy when he was telling us all how he and his buddy were going to go out into the Manitoba wilderness with nothing but their knives and the clothes on their backs in October for 30 days. "What if you fall and have a compound fracture of your leg?" Who's there to help? even if you're the kinda guy who can get along with only yourself for company it's always wiser to "share the fire". It can be a lot of fun as well.;)

Ole WV Coot
11-26-2007, 10:28 PM
Guess I will think on that some. I am probably wrong, but that's me.

Sarge47
11-26-2007, 11:36 PM
If you are of value to others they will help keep you alive that was what I was told onetime .But how do you do that ?? :confused:

I can now answer this question. Your skill in Fly Tying as well as Fly fishing would be a very valuable asset!:)

Sarge47
11-26-2007, 11:37 PM
Guess I will think on that some. I am probably wrong, but that's me.

Remember, we're talking about "Survival" here, not marriage!:rolleyes:

NorthWindTrails
11-27-2007, 12:30 AM
Great thread! I also agree with owl girl's observation that "I'm responsible for keeping myself alive", and at the same time there really IS a need for social contact. Call it "strength in numbers" or simply "someone to help in time of need", we'd all best be starting to develop our "network" of like minded folks we can possibly rendezvous with in the event of TEOTWAWKI. I really do not see this as so far-fetched. Hey, even if the need never arises, just how much of these skill could we pass along to those who someday MAY need them (Read that "grandchildren", etc.) ... and have a completely satisfying hobby in the meantime? I'm having a blast learning these skills, and knowing that it's always time well spent. Of course, meeting you all has been great, too! Keep your tinder dry ... NorthWind

NorthWindTrails
11-27-2007, 01:25 AM
OK ... a few more ruminations. If several "survivors" were to band together, the need for several skillsets becomes apparent. For anything medical, the more knowledge (read this "actual, hands-on experience") an individual has in herbs / homeopathy the better their contribution to the needs of the pack. Emergency medical training would be a real benefit, it would seem. Midwifery skills also. Since food gathering is essential, specialists in trapping fish and game would be necessary, as well as those skilled in identification and use of local plant life. Not that we ALL could get along for long without as much knowledge in as many of these areas as we could learn and put into practice, but it seems that some could be more or less specialized in, say, tanning buckskins and leathercraft for example, while at the same time other members were gathering herbs, etc. Isn't this precisely the way of the Native tribes, before so many of their ways were lost? I'm more persuaded than ever that there truly IS a place in these discussions for a more "Tribal" approach to this subject. Logistically challenging for now, but some sort of pre-determined arrangement of specialties could possibly be agreed upon in the mean time. What do you all think? Impractical? Or ... ? NorthWind

Smok
11-27-2007, 02:25 AM
Northwindtrails good idea or those of us who have specialties can help teach others . it would be nice to meet all of you , but how ?? anyone ?? we all need a tribe

nell67
11-27-2007, 03:49 AM
WarEagle has suggested this before,and not a whole lot commented on it,maybe you would like to visit his thread? Pesonally I think it is a great idea.




http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=824

Rick
11-27-2007, 10:18 AM
Thanks Nell for the link. It is a good idea. Northwind, bingo, bingo, bingo. You are right on the money. For a long time I've tried to stress that technology is a great thing (I really do like it!) but not at the cost of older skills and knowledge. As a specie, we seem to move forward and never look back and that's not a good thing. It's important to pass that knowledge along. We need a blend of old and new. Ole Coot said he has had to depend on himself since '63. I can't imagine the knowledge and skills he has. If things were bad and he and I were together, I know there are many strengths he has that would benefit me and, hopefully, the reverse would be true.

trax
11-27-2007, 12:58 PM
Personally, I find it a little alarming how certain some people are that the last shreds of civilization are going to immediately fall away if we are ever in a shtf situation. People will still want to group together for survival.

But here's the thing, and in some ways the point of this thread. You probably won't get to choose people with specific skill sets in your group. It would be wonderful to have a couple of hunter/gatherers and a couple of emergency medical technicians, and leather workers and tent builders or whatever. You might wind up with a bunch of computer programmers who've dedicated their lives to only that...not much good in the wilderness at first blush. What's pretty amazing though, is how well people will react and learn the necessary skills to survive and the odds of that happening are far better if they're part of a group.

Rick
11-27-2007, 01:06 PM
On the mark as usual, Trax. Natural selection being what it is there will undoubtedly be a leader emerge in each of those groups. Some won't survive because they lack the skills. Others will flourish because they have the skills and mental ability to succeed in those conditions. Sadly, some will be predators and some will be prey but I think the vast majority will just want to survive. Smaller groups will band together with larger groups until we have something that resembles the very early settlements. Although we'd like to think otherwise, we are not too far removed from other animals. Just a lot more greedy. My two cents has just been revised to four cents. Inflation, you know.

trax
11-27-2007, 02:21 PM
Remember, we're talking about "Survival" here, not marriage!:rolleyes:

sometimes they're the same thing, sometimes marriage is harder to survive than any of the scenarios we've posted here (and sometimes you just have to fade back into the "tall corn")

nell67
11-27-2007, 03:38 PM
sometimes they're the same thing, sometimes marriage is harder to survive than any of the scenarios we've posted here (and sometimes you just have to fade back into the "tall corn")

Oh God! Isnt that the truth!

trax
11-27-2007, 04:00 PM
Oh God! Isnt that the truth!

Still! :D We survive!!:D:D

nell67
11-27-2007, 04:02 PM
Still! :D We survive!!:D:D
Yes,and surviving is what its all about,so I've been told LMAO!

Proud American
12-01-2007, 03:04 PM
Sorry folks. I'm not a "me only" kind of guy. I think there are strengths in numbers and I think others compliment my weak points (not that I have many mind you). Even a SHTF situation requires a team play. Maybe more so. Those of you that have been Rangers, Seals, Recon, SOS, SAS, know what I'm talkin' about. Lady Owl was right on the mark when she said, "I am the one responsible for keeping me alive." But we had better be prepared to help each other as well.

You'll be welcome in my camp and you can share my coffee. I would like to think I would be welcome in yours even in the worst of times.


I like to think like Rick (seeing that i would be one of those cluless city people who get killed ) So Rick id tag along with you, cause you wouldnt eat me when you got bored of snake and rabbit for dinner. Plus I dont drink Coffee so no need to share that.

MidWestMat
02-27-2011, 09:41 PM
Whomsoever amongst you would be great, let them serve.

We should be strong enough to stand on our own, but our greatest strength is in working togather. We should be responsible in developing and maintaining knowledge and working skills so that we CAN be of benefit to ourselves, our familys, and our communities.

Just my thought.

SARKY
02-27-2011, 10:12 PM
I would say first off, make a list of what skills you now have. Are they enough to make you useful or keep you alive? Then make a list of what skills (be realistic) you would like to have. Then go out and acquire those skills.

BENESSE
02-27-2011, 11:06 PM
Word, Sarky!
That's what it comes down to, plain and simple.

JPGreco
02-28-2011, 12:47 AM
I would have to agree with the majority of people here and to not put yourself in a position that someone else is dictating your life based on your "value".

Everyboyd has skills that are useful. If you've banded together then any unskilled person can help with farming or basic upkeep and maintenance of whatever you've put together. They can carry things or be runners for the people who are skilled. If I take it upon myself to learn the skills and be prepared, I can take unskilled and unprepared people and hopefully teach them enough and put them to task to better the group's overall survival chance.

I would welcome most people into camp, or at least I like to believe I would. Hopefully either be able to barter goods or skills with the new person, or possibly welcome a new friend into our community.

BENESSE
02-28-2011, 09:36 AM
JPG, if any of the scenarios are to be believed as portrayed in books like Patriots, One Second After and Lucifer's Hammer then it becomes painfully apparent that in light of dwindling resources everyone will have to be able to multitask in order to justify being fed and watered. People with skills can also do unskilled labor but not the other way around. WTSHTF, you won't have the luxury to learn on the job...you'll be valuable to others and even to yourself for what you can do NOW.
I often think about it (draw from history) and invariably come to the same conclusion. Skills+brains=Life

JPGreco
02-28-2011, 12:52 PM
Well we would have to define the event to make decisions such as that. Depending on the severity of the situation, it would dictate a lot of things, not just whether your skill set is valuable to the group. I won't argue that in a severe situation that the unskilled will be left for dead or be food, but in that case, building a community won't be very easy either since there would be extensive violence over resources, thus no real need or room for unskilled laborers.

Gaining skills is always a good idea, regardless of the situation.