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Ken
10-30-2009, 02:22 PM
I was at Mom's house this morning, and had to go down to the basement to move a telephone line. Of course, that involved moving a large floor shelf rack packed with Dad's old stuff, and way UNDER the bottom shelf on the basement floor was a small tool bag I don't remember seeing before. I opened it up and found an old knife and a leather sheath that looked kinda' like a K-Bar without any markings. Unlike the K-Bars I'm familiar with, this knife was serrated in the center of the spine and has no markings I can discern.

My first thought was that Dad had this knife in Korea in the early 1950's. So, I did a web search, and I believe I have myself a 5" Marbles Survival Knife. It looks EXACTLY like this 6" Marbles Jet Pilot Survival Knife except that the blade is an inch shorter.

http://i.ebayimg.com/12/!Bdt(!k!CGk~$(KGrHqEOKiMEq3+5MUUoBK6Ht,V!yg~~_35.J PG

I've read that the 6" Marbles Jet Pilot Survival Knife was developed in 1957 (after the Korean War) and that only 500 were made. http://www.marblearms.com/history.html

From what I've learned, I'm virtually positive that this 5" inch knife was the one Dad carried in Korea, so it definitely has enormous sentimental value to me.

The knife is superficially rusted, especially between the leather grip bands on the handle and around the hexagon pommel. The Blade has some scaling, and the very tip (1/32 inch) is bent.

The sheath has aged in color to a dark brown/black and needs alot of help to bring the leather back to life.

The knife and sheath SHOULD look like this:

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp339/jpk222/MSAAirForceKnife.jpg

I really want to bring this knife and sheath back to life.

Okay, experts (and I really mean that, because a lot of you guys ARE experts) - I'M OPEN FOR YOUR ADVICE!
FVR
10-30-2009, 03:18 PM
Post a pic of what your knife looks like now.
crashdive123
10-30-2009, 03:23 PM
Nice find. What you're describing sounds like an Air Force Survival Knife.
Ken
10-30-2009, 03:29 PM
I'm not much of a photographer. :innocent: Took these with my cell phone, e-mailed them to myself, and here they are.

I'll try to get some better pics.
crashdive123
10-30-2009, 03:32 PM
Yep - I do believe it is an Air Force Survival knife. I'm sure other branches used them as well.
Ken
10-30-2009, 03:36 PM
As you may be able to see from the pic on the left, there are a few spots of minor pitting on the center of the blade. The blade is dull as well. No question that this knife has done quite a bit of work.
crashdive123
10-30-2009, 03:39 PM
It doesn't look like it's in too bad shape.
Ken
10-30-2009, 03:43 PM
I'm wondering if the pitting can be removed, and I'm trying to figure out how to clean up the rust between the leather bands. The bent tip could also pose a problem. :innocent: The metal's also a bit discolored.
crashdive123
10-30-2009, 03:59 PM
Without actually seeing it ----

If the pitting is not too deep, a fine grit sand paper will remove it - it will also put a shine on it. I would start with 1500 or 1000 grit. If I needed a more aggressive grit then move in that direction.

The metal between the leather bands - take a 600 or 400 grit sanding belt, from the back side of the belt, cut a small slice (slightly more narrow than the gap between the bands and gently tear it off. Cut the new belt in one spot so that now you have a very narrow abrasive belt (more like string). Clamp the knife (tape the blade first) to something and use your new 1/4" or 1/8" or whatever size yo just made to gently sand the grooves.

Not sure how much the tip is bent. You might be able to straighten in a vice if it is very minor. In may be necessary to heat it first - if you do that you will change the temper on it.

Also keep in mind that the blade discoloration is not a bad thing (the rust is).
panch0
10-30-2009, 04:08 PM
Nice project to do. Can't wait to see the finished knife. Marbles are very nice knives. Classics.
FVR
10-30-2009, 08:38 PM
That does look like an old AF knife I had. Did you find a sheath with it? Look at how the end cap it connected to the tang of the knife. Some were screwed on, others were ball peaned over.

It looks like a great project and I can't wait to see the finished project. I've always like the AF knives, although I thought that the blades were a little short. But then I'm a Kabar fanatic.
Rick
10-30-2009, 08:43 PM
First...You need to determine if cleaning it up is what you want to do. I know it's a sentimental knife but it could be worth more with the patina left on the sheath.

For the rust, you might try 0000 steel wool. That's what I use to clean my carbon knives when they show light rust (just about every trip to the woods). Food grade mineral oil will help keep it from rusting once you clean it.
crashdive123
10-30-2009, 09:05 PM
Looks about like the third from the right.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Weapons/Knives010.jpg
2dumb2kwit
10-30-2009, 09:45 PM
Dang....When I saw the title of this thread, I was ready to start making jokes about you losing your marbles.....but I just can't do it.

It's really cool, that you found your dad's knife.:clap:

BTW, I don't think I would try to fix the bent tip. There just may be a real story behind it.
Ken
10-30-2009, 09:50 PM
That does look like an old AF knife I had. Did you find a sheath with it? Look at how the end cap it connected to the tang of the knife. Some were screwed on, others were ball peaned over.

It looks like a great project and I can't wait to see the finished project. I've always like the AF knives, although I thought that the blades were a little short. But then I'm a Kabar fanatic.

Yep, there was a sheath, Frank. The cap on the pommel was ball peaned with what looks like a thin metal wedge dead center. It may be a screw, but this thing looks like it did its share of hammering, and what may have been a screw now looks like a wedge. The literature says that the knife was required to be capable of driving a nail two inches.


First...You need to determine if cleaning it up is what you want to do. I know it's a sentimental knife but it could be worth more with the patina left on the sheath.

For the rust, you might try 0000 steel wool. That's what I use to clean my carbon knives when they show light rust (just about every trip to the woods). Food grade mineral oil will help keep it from rusting once you clean it.

Rick, I started working it with 0000. A bit of the rust is gone and the color is coming back slightly. Haven't begun to touch the pitting, though.

The sheath is in tough shape. Only the lower half of the front had patina to begin with. The top half and the entire back is rough leather. My Dad had said that he spent many frigid rainy nights on the North Korean-Chinese border. The sheath tells the rest of that story. It looks like it was soaked too many times.


Looks about like the third from the right.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Weapons/Knives010.jpg

That's darn close, Crash.
FVR
10-30-2009, 10:01 PM
This is just me, I would def. straighten the tip and make it useable. I would take the rust off or better yet use an oil solution to leave the color of the patina, preserve the metal, and lose the rust.

Can you post a pic of the sheath?
Ken
10-30-2009, 10:02 PM
Dang....When I saw the title of this thread, I was ready to start making jokes about you losing your marbles.....but I just can't do it.

It's really cool, that you found your dad's knife.:clap:

BTW, I don't think I would try to fix the bent tip. There just may be a real story behind it.

Gee. Thanks, 2dumb! :blushing:
Ken
10-30-2009, 10:03 PM
This is just me, I would def. straighten the tip and make it useable. I would take the rust off or better yet use an oil solution to leave the color of the patina, preserve the metal, and lose the rust.

Can you post a pic of the sheath?

Taking the pic now, Frank.
Ken
10-30-2009, 10:11 PM
Here's the sheath.
2dumb2kwit
10-30-2009, 10:12 PM
Taking the pic now, Frank.

While we are waiting for the picture....is anyone else humming the jeopardy theme song?:blushing:

OOPS....never mind.
2dumb2kwit
10-30-2009, 10:21 PM
I may not be normal (Don't start!), but I like the very used look. I'm not a high end collector, but I have a few WW1 and WW2 rifles, as well as some later military rifles. To me.....if they looked new, it would take away that "been there, done that" look, that appeals to me.
FVR
10-30-2009, 10:52 PM
The sheath looks gooooooddddddd. Little bit of saddle soap, maybe a needle and some re-stitching and a sharpening stone and you are ready to go.

I also prefer the aged look. I have been known to rub mayo on a blade, wrap in plastic wrap and stick in the fridge for a week to color the blade.

Reminds me of a boot Lt in Panama with a shiny bladed Western Bowie. You could see that thing flashing a mile away.
crashdive123
10-30-2009, 10:53 PM
Yep, there was a sheath, Frank. The cap on the pommel was ball peaned with what looks like a thin metal wedge dead center. It may be a screw, but this thing looks like it did its share of hammering, and what may have been a screw now looks like a wedge. The literature says that the knife was required to be capable of driving a nail two inches.


Ken, that's not a screw or wedge, but rather the end of the tang. It's a stick tang with the end sticking through the bolster and peened over to hold it tight.
Ken
10-30-2009, 10:55 PM
The sheath looks gooooooddddddd. Little bit of saddle soap, maybe a needle and some re-stitching and a sharpening stone and you are ready to go.

I also prefer the aged look. I have been known to rub mayo on a blade, wrap in plastic wrap and stick in the fridge for a week to color the blade.

Reminds me of a boot Lt in Panama with a shiny bladed Western Bowie. You could see that thing flashing a mile away.

Yeah, the stone is missing. Mayonaise, huh?
Ken
10-30-2009, 10:57 PM
Ken, that's not a screw or wedge, but rather the end of the tang. It's a stick tang with the end sticking through the bolster and peened over to hold it tight.

Thanks for that info, Crash! It protrudes slightly out of the end.
Ole WV Coot
10-30-2009, 10:58 PM
I may not be normal (Don't start!), but I like the very used look. I'm not a high end collector, but I have a few WW1 and WW2 rifles, as well as some later military rifles. To me.....if they looked new, it would take away that "been there, done that" look, that appeals to me.

I agree. Now if you want to clean the blade I do believe crocus cloth is possibly the finest for cleaning and shining steel without scratching. I doubt if you will want to use it so, except for the tip and stopping the rust, leave it. I have a dagger made out of WWII plane parts by a German POW and given to my uncle, not functional never been really sharpened but the engraved old guard & plexiglass stacked handle and the old sheath are good as is. It now resides in my son's gun safe along with numerous handguns & rifles he "borrowed" over the years.
Ken
10-30-2009, 11:01 PM
I agree. Now if you want to clean the blade I do believe crocus cloth is possibly the finest for cleaning and shining steel without scratching. I doubt if you will want to use it so, except for the tip and stopping the rust, leave it. I have a dagger made out of WWII plane parts by a German POW and given to my uncle, not functional never been really sharpened but the engraved old guard & plexiglass stacked handle and the old sheath are good as is. It now resides in my son's gun safe along with numerous handguns & rifles he "borrowed" over the years.

Coot, ya' got a gun I can borrow? All of mine were stolen......... :innocent:
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yellowcab
05-04-2026, 11:42 PM
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