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SARKY
10-09-2009, 01:36 PM
I know that we aren't supposed to be political, but I have to ask the question. Is anyone comfortable with the people that the president has surrounded himself with? and the changes that may be imposed upon us?
2dumb2kwit
10-09-2009, 02:11 PM
I know that we aren't supposed to be political, but I have to ask the question. Is anyone comfortable with the people that the president has surrounded himself with? and the changes that may be imposed upon us?
NO!
I'm really looking forward to November 2010 and 2012!
I know that we aren't supposed to be political, but I have to ask the question. Is anyone comfortable with the people that the president has surrounded himself with? and the changes that may be imposed upon us?
NO!
I'm really looking forward to November 2010 and 2012!
There may be an echo in here......... :innocent:
Sourdough
10-09-2009, 02:36 PM
I think it is time "WE" stop blaming leaders......and stop hoping they will save us from ourselves, Stop expecting that they will (can) somehow make it better.
The "Joy Ride" is over, it is Our own fault. The sooner you get wrapped around the idea that the best day of your life way yesterday, the firmer ground you will be on to move forward.......I don't like it either. But the rate of change in the world will accelerate from here forward.
Pal334
10-09-2009, 02:43 PM
I think it is time "WE" stop blaming leaders......and stop hoping they will save us from ourselves, Stop expecting that they will (can) somehow make it better.
The "Joy Ride" is over, it is Our own fault. The sooner you get wrapped around the idea that the best day of your life way yesterday, the firmer ground you will be on to move forward.......I don't like it either. But the rate of change in the world will accelerate from here forward.
True, we should act with our vote to get a different type of representative in office. Can they change everything "back", no, and nor should we or they think we should,but they could lend some sanity. I have to respectfully disagree "the best day of your life way yesterday" every tomorrow is the best day of my life for one reason or another. I choose not to surrender a dream that I have for my kids and grandkids. Am I urinating into the wind? Perhaps, but I will go down trying
and getting me wet I might add. Could you turn toward 2Dumb a bit more? Thank you.
Sourdough
10-09-2009, 03:43 PM
True, we should act with our vote to get a different type of representative in office. Can they change everything "back", no, and nor should we or they think we should,but they could lend some sanity. I have to respectfully disagree "the best day of your life way yesterday" every tomorrow is the best day of my life for one reason or another. I choose not to surrender a dream that I have for my kids and grandkids. Am I urinating into the wind? Perhaps, but I will go down trying
The whole world is going through what America went through in the 60's and it very near destroyed America. The next twenty years will see all people of the earth demanding equality and freedom. Your quality of life is derived at least in part, via the suppression of and exploitation of other people around the world who make things for us cheap, and accept "I Owe You's", or military machinery in trade. As this unravels, your children will have to either work harder, or accept a lower quality of life. My guess is a LOT of both.
Pal334
10-09-2009, 03:53 PM
and getting me wet I might add. Could you turn toward 2Dumb a bit more? Thank you.
Had alot of coffee today, plenty for all :)
Pal334
10-09-2009, 03:56 PM
The whole world is going through what America went through in the 60's and it very near destroyed America. The next twenty years will see all people of the earth demanding equality and freedom. Your quality of life is derived at least in part, via the suppression of and exploitation of other people around the world who make things for us cheap, and accept "I Owe You's", or military machinery in trade. As this unravels, your children will have to either work harder, or accept a lower quality of life. My guess is a LOT of both.
I agree there will be changes. The only constant in life is change. Does not mean that I am going to sit on the sidelines and just accept whatever %^&*( is shoved at me and mine without complete and total participation in the process of government. Those that sit by and just accept what is doled out without participating in the Democratic process are fools
doug1980
10-09-2009, 04:00 PM
I better keep my mouth shut and avoid this thread. :) It will just get me in trouble as always.
oldsoldier
10-09-2009, 04:00 PM
:airhorn::banana::clap:
NO!
I'm really looking forward to November 2010 and 2012!
Sourdough
10-09-2009, 04:08 PM
If you want to know what is coming look to Oct. 1929 through 1949; We are going to have to balance the gluttony of the last period 1985 through the fall of 2008, which was a period of fraudulent consumption. There is little the leaders can do. Just as there was nothing Japan has been able to do from 1989 to 2009 but pay of the gluttony, With no growth, stagnant economy, and zombie banks, and a gradual erosion of the quality of life.
Pal334
10-09-2009, 04:15 PM
If you want to know what is coming look to Oct. 1929 through 1949; We are going to have to balance the gluttony of the last period 1985 through the fall of 2008, which was a period of fraudulent consumption. There is little the leaders can do. Just as there was nothing Japan has been able to do from 1989 to 2009 but pay of the gluttony, With no growth, stagnant economy, and zombie banks, and a gradual erosion of the quality of life.
Are you advocating giving up and not trying?
Am I urinating into the wind? Perhaps, but I will go down trying
and getting me wet I might add. Could you turn toward 2Dumb a bit more? Thank you.
Had alot of coffee today, plenty for all :)
Here you have it, folks. Pal has dedication and perserverance, and Rick points out the best of all possible directions to "go" in. :innocent:
Sourdough
10-09-2009, 04:57 PM
Are you advocating giving up and not trying?
We are in Deep, Deep, Deep Sh!t. If the the world leaders had any semi-easy way out they would be doing it. If you really want to do something positive, advocate that they tell the people, the truth about where we REALLY are, and how we got here, and what it is going to take to get out. The truth is ALL of our Banks are bankrupt, The FDIC is banckrupt, most of the states are bankrupt, America is bankrupt, and the only lender lending us and money is OUR Fed buying OUR treasury notes (Smoke & Mirrors). The rest of the world is terrified we will default on our debt. The only way out is pain and suffering, the choice is who will do the suffering......YOU or Your CHILDREN.
BENESSE
10-09-2009, 05:27 PM
The US is THE most democratic country in the world, if that still means anything to anyone. If "we" have issues, there's NO one to blame but ourselves.
If you disagree, then where else would you like to move to and be happy?
The borders are open, thank god, so don't let the door hit you on your way out.
You sure have a lot of black paint. Either that are the prolonged dark in AK has gotten to you.
Pal334
10-09-2009, 05:30 PM
We are in Deep, Deep, Deep Sh!t. If the the world leaders had any semi-easy way out they would be doing it. If you really want to do something positive, advocate that they tell the people, the truth about where we REALLY are, and how we got here, and what it is going to take to get out. The truth is ALL of our Banks are bankrupt, The FDIC is banckrupt, most of the states are bankrupt, America is bankrupt, and the only lender lending us and money is OUR Fed buying OUR treasury notes (Smoke & Mirrors). The rest of the world is terrified we will default on our debt. The only way out is pain and suffering, the choice is who will do the suffering......YOU or Your CHILDREN.
THat is what I have been saying. Us your vote, get the right people (I am an optimist). THere is no sense moaning and gnashing our teeth with out exercising our political rights to change
Pal334
10-09-2009, 05:32 PM
The US is THE most democratic country in the world, if that still means anything to anyone. If "we" have issues, there's NO one to blame but ourselves.
If you disagree, then where else would you like to move to and be happy?
The borders are open, thank god, so don't let the door hit you on your way out.
You are correct, cinche up your helmet and get to work for change!
THat is what I have been saying. Us your vote, get the right people (I am an optimist). THere is no sense moaning and gnashing our teeth with out exercising our political rights to change
Keep an eye on the Massachusetts special election for the vacant U.S. Senate seat (held by the late what's-his-name) scheduled for January 19, 2010. Absent the biggest upset in political history, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure which party will win. However, the last two election percentages (2006 and 2008) were 70-30 and 66-31 respectively. Let's see if this margin tightens up a bit. Should that happen, in the most liberal state in the union, we may have one hint of things to come in the more normal states. :innocent:
Pal334
10-09-2009, 06:30 PM
Keep an eye on the Massachusetts special election for the vacant U.S. Senate seat (held by the late what's-his-name) scheduled for January 19, 2010. Absent the biggest upset in political history, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure which party will win. However, the last two election percentages (2006 and 2008) were 70-30 and 66-31 respectively. Let's see if this margin tightens up a bit. Should that happen, in the most liberal state in the union, we may have one hint of things to come in the more normal states. :innocent:
Fingers crossed.
BENESSE
10-09-2009, 07:12 PM
Even the most chronically optimistic know--whether they want to admit it or not--it's gonna take a tad longer to recuperate from the last 8 years.
I wouldn't be celebrating just yet.
LostOutrider
10-09-2009, 10:13 PM
I know that we aren't supposed to be political, but I have to ask the question. Is anyone comfortable with the people that the president has surrounded himself with? and the changes that may be imposed upon us?
Are you seriously only just now questioning the folks surrounding your president?
Are you seriously only just now worrying about the changes that have been imposed upon us?
Where have you been the last ten years?
Even the most chronically optimistic know--whether they want to admit it or not--it's gonna take a tad longer to recuperate from the last 8 years.
I wouldn't be celebrating just yet.
When naughty children are allowed to run rampant and make messes, it often takes grown folks time and money to fix those messes.
SARKY
10-09-2009, 10:33 PM
The US is THE most democratic country in the world, if that still means anything to anyone. If "we" have issues, there's NO one to blame but ourselves.
If you disagree, then where else would you like to move to and be happy?
The borders are open, thank god, so don't let the door hit you on your way out.
I gotta spank you on this one. We are not nor have we ever been a democracy! We ARE a represenative rebublic! We elect people to do what WE want them to do NOT lie to us to get elected then do whatever the hell they want. I am also sick and tired of this being a you versus us thing ie my team has to beat your team. Don't vote for an encumbant or anyone backed by an encumbant or anyone who has been in politics. I say vote for anyone else! Hell if i went through the phone book and just picked people out, they could probably do as good a job or better than these morons.
Ole WV Coot
10-09-2009, 10:37 PM
We have the best politicians money can buy. It's a shame we can't afford to buy some more. Sure would like to buy these for what they are worth, then sell them for what they
think they are worth. Tidy profit I could live with.
BENESSE
10-10-2009, 12:05 AM
I gotta spank you on this one. We are not nor have we ever been a democracy! We ARE a represenative rebublic! We elect people to do what WE want them to do NOT lie to us to get elected then do whatever the hell they want. I am also sick and tired of this being a you versus us thing ie my team has to beat your team. Don't vote for an encumbant or anyone backed by an encumbant or anyone who has been in politics. I say vote for anyone else! Hell if i went through the phone book and just picked people out, they could probably do as good a job or better than these morons.
Spank away!
But let me say this:
I DID vote for someone else, it just turned out he wasn't charismatic enough.
People didn't want to have a beer with him or sit through more than a sound bite of explanation on anything that was VITALLY important to their existence.
The majority has spoken, and that's the way it is.
I didn't like it before, and I don't like it now. I guess I'm not pissed off enough to get involved in order to contribute to a meaningful change.
Because after all, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else but right here.
We just had a special election in PA for the 24th district. The breakdown...
Republican 66.2%
Democrat 30.3%
Libertarian 3.5%
This district went for Obama in the last election. People are pissed and have good reason to be so.
In the next two election cycles there won't be any GWB boogieman to play. The focus will be solidly on the Democrats and what they do with power when they have it (grab for more and more). Mac
doug1980
10-10-2009, 01:53 AM
I believe there is no system, no matter what it is, that will be able to satisfy everyone all the time. Oh sure some are better than others and some have good intentions but the human aspect will always ruin it. People are greedy, that will never change. So any type of system, at some level will fail. Frankly I have no idea how our Democracy, Represenative Rebublic, or whatever you wanna call it is really supposed to work. And honestly I don't think anyone, including those that we entrust to uphold it, does either. There is way too much emphasis on what "party" people belong to. It really shouldn't matter either way expecially on most of the issues that plague this country. But I can't totally blame the Government. Oh I'm sure there are many times that a Representative takes it upon himself to try and make law soley based on his personal beliefs, or what his "party" wants him to do, but I'm sure there are times that they do things because enough of "us" wanted it that way. I mean lets look at it, really, If you or I were a member of Government how many times would we try to change things, bsed on our beliefs and morals, because we think it is the best thing to do. Or how many times would we do things for "the people" because the majority wanted it that way. We only see a small part of what really goes on and I wouldn't want that responsibility at all. I often wonder what catagory I'm in when I disagree with something that happens. I might be in the minority most of the time in the way I believe. So if that is the case then who am I to complain about what the majority wanted. But I am a firm believer that my vote doesn't really matter, I have no real power to change things, and no matter how much I may disagree with something it will end up the way it ends up.
Pal334
10-10-2009, 04:21 AM
But I am a firm believer that my vote doesn't really matter, I have no real power to change things, and no matter how much I may disagree with something it will end up the way it ends up.
That actually saddens me to hear that from a person of your age. If we all thought that way, then there truely is no way to make a change. Remember, I am the old fool optimist
crashdive123
10-10-2009, 05:54 AM
We've had our foray into political talk - time for everybody to get back out into the woods.
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