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Badawg
08-03-2009, 07:43 PM
Suggestions? I was looking at Glocks, but I really can't tell the difference between them other than Caliber.

OICU812
08-03-2009, 09:48 PM
The G-23 in .40 S&W is the compact version of the G-22 with the 4-inch barrel or the G-20/G-21 in .45 or 10mm. with a 4.6 inch barrel but either one will go for a little more than $500 anywhere in the lower 48.

chiye tanka
08-03-2009, 11:13 PM
Well you can get the Glock 21 and later get the convertion kit to .50AE.

SARKY
08-04-2009, 12:44 AM
If you want an auto loader handcannon, go with the 10mm. It leaves the .45 in the dirt.

chiye tanka
08-04-2009, 12:46 AM
Yeah, I love the Glock 20.

SARKY
08-04-2009, 12:58 AM
If you want to get a wheel gun check out the Taurus Tracker series of wheel guns. I've got one in .41 mag and the wifey has one in .357 mag.

chiye tanka
08-04-2009, 01:04 AM
If you want to get a wheel gun check out the Taurus Tracker series of wheel guns. I've got one in .41 mag and the wifey has one in .357 mag.

I'm waiting on the Public Defender. It should be in tomorrow.

Sourdough
08-04-2009, 01:05 AM
Make it three votes for the Glock 20, I just bought another one yesterday. A lot of outdoors men carry the 10MM for bear/moose/human protection. If you get the Glock 20 be sure to get the SF model. (Glock 20SF).

Sourdough
08-04-2009, 01:11 AM
There are two advantages to the revolver, 1.) It never stovepipes/fails to feed & 2.) It does not leave evidence scattered all over.

TomChemEngineer
08-04-2009, 01:11 AM
I always hate to get involved in opinions about handguns because everyone tends to be right, but I've become so familiar with .45 Government Models (no bells, no whistles, standard sights) and have carried them so long that I don't feel it anymore. For a carry-gun (a "working gun") that I'm not afraid to send rounds through to get feeling really good about it and keep my skills up, and not afraid to scratch it or otherwise wear it out carrying it, I like my newer Rock Island .45 Full size 1911 Government Model (it'll run you less than 380 bucks). It is subsonic, the ammunition is standard everywhere (18-22 bucks a box... cheaper in bulk), parts are everywhere, pretty easy field strip (not as easy as a Glock), 8 in the magazine and one in the pipe for this one, and I can now put my Dad's WWII model back in the safe. Other guns are prettier, bigger, faster, more powerful, etc etc, but the .45 has felt good in my hand and points naturally for me, and I like all-metal frames. I've liked it from the time that I first picked it up in my misspent youth in the 1960's. Just my opinion, everybody has their favorites.

SARKY
08-04-2009, 01:17 AM
Yeah well go check out the thread where the cops emptied their .45s into an already wounded 120 pound black bear. Yes it's BIG and slow and for soft targets (2 legged vermin) it's great! But for in the woods, I want more penetration!

Sourdough
08-04-2009, 01:29 AM
I love the 1911 for it's feel and beauty. But, I have learned that for me, if I am going to own and operate more than one type auto-loader pistol I do not want to own a 1911. HOWEVER, If I was restricted to only owning one handgun it would most likely be a bob'tailed Dan Wesson 1911 in 10MM cartridge.

SARKY
08-04-2009, 01:41 AM
If all I was going to own was a 1911, then it would be a Cassull chambered in 38 Cassull (it is a shortened .45win mag case necked down to 9mm) (1800fps w/124gr jfp and 1600fps w/147gr bullet)

Badawg
08-04-2009, 02:05 AM
huh... WTF mate?

aflineman
08-04-2009, 02:58 AM
Maybe look at a Springfield XD. I like my XD40 and may soon be getting an XD45.

Ole WV Coot
08-04-2009, 07:55 PM
Got to stay with my 45 Beretta Cougar. First pistol I pick up and carry. It may not stop a semi but it's death on compacts. I have others, one Beretta 40 been in the safe for at least a few years, never fired. Old habits and a caliber that never let me down is hard to put on the back burner.

Sourdough
08-04-2009, 09:01 PM
mebbe I should have mentioned I have a colt 79 series 1911 gold cup and an Officer's lightweight in.45 ACP? Any others besides the GlocK? I looked at a CZ and thought it was ok, and I also saw a Sig(sp?) that was sweeeet but out of my range... What about a Ruger P series, or a Taurus?

Buy $500.-- worth of .45 ACP ammo.............NO to the Ruger "P" series

KenB
08-06-2009, 12:48 AM
I have my share of hand guns (not a big time collector or anything), I think a Glock is a great choice for an auto.

I have a Glock 31, .357sig, it is a little bit of an "exotic" cartridge but it does have benefits. It has the ballistics of a .357 magnum. It is a .40 necked down, so there is very little chance of a jam because you have a .357 plug going into a .40 hole. I have never had a jam.

Then other thing I like about the Glock is that with its flat top you can get on target quickly.

The only down side of the G31 is the ammo (I have not had trouble getting it, but it is more expensive the some others), and it is a pretty hot round that does send some vibration to your hand and it can get a little uncomfortable if you are doing a lot of shooting.

KenB
08-06-2009, 12:50 AM
I should also add, I enjoy shooting my .45 1911 more, but if I was going into the wilderness I would carry the Glock 31.

Ken
08-06-2009, 12:50 AM
Uhh, KenB? Check this out! http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7813

KenB
08-06-2009, 12:53 AM
Uhh, KenB? Check this out! http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7813

Sorry, I get excited about gun stuff.

glockcop
08-06-2009, 02:08 AM
If you want an auto loader handcannon, go with the 10mm. It leaves the .45 in the dirt.

Hell, 357 mag, 357 Sig, and most 40's pull out front of the 45acp. Even a few 9mm loads edge out the "ALL MIGHTY .45" in energy and penetration. Really though they all suck at stopping jazzed up felons. Pick any of the common combat calibers and they all act about the same in reality. Remember...Multiple shots on target is the best tactic. I highly recommend Sig, H&K, and Glock. Smith and Wesson mp's and Springfield XD's are great too. If you want to save a few bucks and get great quality Ruger is tops. Leave Taurus in Brazil. Third world countries need all the crappy guns they can get.:) Aw man, just forget all the other stuff I said and just get a Sig. They are simply superb. There is a reason top government agencies use them. They have huge budgets. Sigs are expensive and you get what you pay for. Glock reliability in Cadillac trim. Nice.

SARKY
08-06-2009, 11:39 AM
KenB, the .357Sig isn't exotic, heck all you need is a .367Sig reloading die set and your press, to turn .40sw cases into .357Sig brass!

glockcop, for the 2 legged vermin, yes I would prefer my ParaOrd P-12 in .45acp. But the .45 is no hand cannon dispite it's diameter. In the field, I much prefer a wheel gun to an autoloader. While in the city I prefer the autoloader. The Sig is nice and if I were going to get one it would be the new Sig 250, I like the whole modular design thing going on.

glockcop
08-06-2009, 11:58 AM
Sarky I definately agree with the sig 250 idea, but the Sig classic line has to make no applogies either. We are on the same page as far as the legendary stopping power of the 45 not being so legendary. MYTH with a big fat bow on it. It's not trash by any means but it is NO better than the other calibers I mentioned and you hold less felon repelant. You are right about the woods vs city carry. In the woods I prefer a stainless Smith 357 although my Glock 40 sometimes takes it's place. In the city my glock 40 is standard equipment on duty and a Kahr mk9 off duty. Presently I have four Sigs and I choose not to beat them up for everyday carry. Why tear up a $900.00 Sig when I can use a $400.00 Glock from the department. Just recently I was given the option of carrying a Sig at work if I like. I just may tote one from time to time now. Best.

KenB
08-06-2009, 12:13 PM
KenB, the .357Sig isn't exotic, heck all you need is a .367Sig reloading die set and your press, to turn .40sw cases into .357Sig brass!


I agree with you, and I don't reload so that is interesting information.

Some of my 9mm buddies think the .357 sig is from another planet.:)

Sourdough
08-06-2009, 12:43 PM
I agree with you, and I don't reload so that is interesting information.

Some of my 9mm buddies think the .357 sig is from another planet.:)

Everybody makes factory loaded ammo for the .357 Sig, it is just spendy.

catfish10101
08-06-2009, 01:35 PM
I have a Taurus PT 24/7 Pro in .45 and it is one sweet cannon. Holds 12 in the mag and one in the pipe. That's the most I could find in th .45 as far as capacity. This is my 2nd Taurus, and I am going to stick with them.

SARKY
08-06-2009, 01:49 PM
Para Ordnance makes a 14 rounder and with the mag extension youare up to 17 rounds.
On another note: If you really like the 1911 platform but need more power than a 10mm or a .45, there are 2 calibers to look at, the 9x25 Dillon and the 38 Casull. The 38 Casull will push a 124gr bullet at 1800fps and a 147gr bullet to 1600 out of a 6inch barrel! The Dillon isn't quite as fast and I can't find any load data on the 147gr bullet. The 38Casull is a .45 winmag case shortened to slightly longer than .45acp length and necked down to 9mm, where as the Dillon is a 10mm case necked down to 9mm. Both of these rounds have a lot more power than anything else commercially available. Just another good reason to reload! Yes, I have dies for both of the rounds.

glockcop
08-06-2009, 02:30 PM
Para Ordnance makes a 14 rounder and with the mag extension youare up to 17 rounds.
On another note: If you really like the 1911 platform but need more power than a 10mm or a .45, there are 2 calibers to look at, the 9x25 Dillon and the 38 Casull. The 38 Casull will push a 124gr bullet at 1800fps and a 147gr bullet to 1600 out of a 6inch barrel! The Dillon isn't quite as fast and I can't find any load data on the 147gr bullet. The 38Casull is a .45 winmag case shortened to slightly longer than .45acp length and necked down to 9mm, where as the Dillon is a 10mm case necked down to 9mm. Both of these rounds have a lot more power than anything else commercially available. Just another good reason to reload! Yes, I have dies for both of the rounds.

Sarky, let me know if you need a spare 3 ton winch and cable to hold your pants up with 14-17 rounds of 45 in a double stack 1911 platform. I have a spare I don't use anymore.:tongue_smilie: And wow an extended mag....Hope that works out for you in summer carry. As far as those Casull and Dillon choices why not just shoot .45 super out of a Sig 220, Glock 21, or H&K USP and be lighter to boot. I don't think the Taurus is up to standard for .45 Super though. With all of the big boomers mentioned follow up shot recovery will be a distant memory to say the least. If you need more than "standard" combat rounds ,which often is the case, just bring a shotgun. For what it is worth, I am not a huge fan of the 1911 platform but I do like it and shooting those big boomers through one destroys it's somewhat delicate design in short order (battered frame and locking lugs). Why do you think Colt disontinued production of the 10mm Delta Elite? It was intended for the somewhat low pressure .45 ACP round. IMO there are better auto platforms out there if big boomers is your thing. Stay safe brother.

Sourdough
08-06-2009, 02:38 PM
My Pistol holds 100 rounds.........let's see ya beat that.....yuck...yuck. (Sig Sauer P556 w/bata Magazine) OK, I don't really own the bata double drum magazine, but I could tape ten 30 rounders together for .......O'ya 300 rounds. Just funning no body have a cow.....:)

crashdive123
08-06-2009, 02:58 PM
Wow! Ten, 30 round clips all taped together! What's the word I'm looking for.....oh, here it is......kewl.

2dumb2kwit
08-06-2009, 03:59 PM
Well, in that case.....
..this is outside of the price range of the OP, but...

...a 20 round mag of .223!

http://www.biggerhammer.net/armpistol/variants.html

Sourdough
08-07-2009, 12:47 AM
WOW......First, Congratulations......Second, Ten Day WAIT......???????????????? OUCH..!!

Badawg
08-07-2009, 12:50 AM
That's the PRC (Peoples republic of California) for yo. 10 day wait in any cartridge fire arm, and no more than 1 pistol every 30 days... Today I also picked up used 870 express with sights for 295 too. HATE the WAIT...

crashdive123
08-07-2009, 08:18 AM
All reasons that it is doubtful that I will ever live in California.

Rick
08-07-2009, 10:59 AM
That and the whole falling into the ocean during the big one, thingie.

KenB
08-07-2009, 11:04 AM
Nice, I have hear very good things about the XD, and you can't go wrong with .40.

glockcop
08-07-2009, 11:45 AM
All reasons that it is doubtful that I will ever live in California.

I HEAR THAT! Badawg, move out of that communist state and join the rest of us where men are still free (FOR THE TIME BEING). Don't move to Mass. either. They are just as bad maybe worse on some accounts from what I've heard. You obviously deserve better. Good choice with the XD I like mine just fine and fairly accurate too. Mine has been flawlessly reliable. Best.

SARKY
08-07-2009, 02:35 PM
Hey, New Jersey and New York aren't much better. I almost want to move back to Maine, Just can't take the snow.