thoughts from the bush

[wareagle69]

with all the hype and/or controvery that some of the folks create when they come on here and post about living in thee wilderness lets stop and think for a moment.
I can think of a few and i am sure ya'll can think of many examples like jeimiah johnson and many more countless unnamed others that came here to a new world three or four hundred years ago from european cities with no wilderness skills or expeinece, how many thrived? how many died due to hostile conditions, (mostly human) so the biggest threat nowadays would be climate and enviroment, yes lots died but lots also adapted and learned and paased the knowlegde down to us today.
so can we really come down on the adventous souls now that come on here searching for a little help before they go out into the wild?
as i said, when in the bush i have lots of time to think, as my mind changed about bugging out(see thread "an absolute must read") so my mind is more open now.
not all will make it, but not all will fail, let us resreve judgment and educate them of the perils and then let it go.

[crashdive123]

For those truely seeking advice, that is what they get. Remember that not all that come here asking questions are looking for answers. Some are looking for affirmation.

[Rick]

Well, yeah. Remember that those folks knew a LOT about surviving. They knew home remedies, food sources, how to store food and dry meat. They had been doing that in their native country just as a part of everyday life. That's not true today. So add in ignorance along with climate and environment. For some, if you can't super size it, they don't know how to acquire it.

[wareagle69]

Well, yeah. Remember that those folks knew a LOT about surviving. They knew home remedies, food sources, how to store food and dry meat. They had been doing that in their native country just as a part of everyday life. That's not true today. So add in ignorance along with climate and environment. For some, if you can't super size it, they don't know how to acquire it.

i dissagree rick, beleive it or not(from what i have read) some of these folks coming over the pond did not have these skills which is why so many perished, now i totally agree that we have lost almost complete touch with the enviorment, nowadays but allot of folks had no idea about wild edibles here and starved to death at least now we have the computer and books to be able to research

[wareagle69]

For those truely seeking advice, that is what they get. Remember that not all that come here asking questions are looking for answers. Some are looking for affirmation.

true ,true, but look at the numpty thread, inability of some to let go of that issue from 2 years ago.
i am just saying there were allot of tenderfoot folks that came across the pond and made, people that came from"modern" towns and came to the wilderness, adapted and thrived and yes some failed miserabley, but all i am saying is keep an open mind, advise and move on

[Rick]

I can buy that. That would probably hold true of any change in continents. So I'll agree on the food piece. A lot came over as a group, either families or settlements or religious groups. So there were folks that could pass some knowledge around. Distilling, brick making, basket weaving. All those folk art things.

These guys are striking out on their own with no one to lean on.

EDIT: I agree wholeheartedly on the open mind. Someone must just be the next Cody Lundgin or Ranger Rick.

[crashdive123]

The one thing that there was more of was the familiarity with doing hard work that Hopeak often talks about. There are those that still do that today, but by and large not so much.

I agree with you on the holding a grudge thing.

[2dumb2kwit]

i dissagree rick, beleive it or not(from what i have read) some of these folks coming over the pond did not have these skills which is why so many perished, now i totally agree that we have lost almost complete touch with the enviorment, nowadays but allot of folks had no idea about wild edibles here and starved to death at least now we have the computer and books to be able to research

I wonder how many of those people made it, back then, thanks to things they learned from some nice folks that have been living "off the land" here for the prior...oh, I don't know....10,000.....20,000 years.

[wareagle69]

you are i assume referencing to the first peoples? yes allot of them learn some very basic things from the first peoples but also some were killed

[2dumb2kwit]

Note to self;
If ever in a survival situation, in a foreign land, asking natives for help should only be used as a last resort.:blushing:

[chiangmaimav]

My personal experience in Thailand and Cambodia is that in survival situation the natives are the first people to ask for help and they are very willing to do that. I cannot speak for everywhere. I will say though that while I thought I knew a fair amount about wilderness survival in the US, I was a newjack in the jungle and had much to learn, and people have been very willing to teach me.

[FVR]

Actually, Jerimiah Johnson aka John "Liver Eating Johnson" came from NJ. LOL. If ya can live there, you can liver anywhere, at any point in time.

It's the basic questions I get annoyed at. One click on Google and you get alot of info., maybe not all but alot.

It seems that sometimes you get members who brag about going to the bush and living off the land, yet they don't seem to do any of the footwork on their own. They come here and want to be spoon fed.

Which is fine, if you want to die. As shown in history, you can have all the knowledge about the outdoors and survival and still perish from one stupid arse mistake.

[Sourdough]

I my not be able to articulate this, but there is a big difference between moving toward a given lifestyle, of ones own free choice, as if it is a dream that can not be arrested. This manifest destiny as opposed to, RUNNING away from the current living condition to anything, any lifestyle, even isolation from humans.

It is one thing to want to drive from point "A" to point "K", in fact you will walk, crawl, do what ever you have to do to get to point "K", if the goal is point "K".

This is different than you just don't want to be at point "A". And you will do anything to get away from point "A".

We can help both......but, the help is different.

[Rick]

I think you articulated it very well. I agree with you, too.

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