WHO Declares First 21st Century Pandemic

[Rick]

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55A1U720090611

[Pal334]

I am going to place my panic button under its protective cover. Although it may be declared a pandemic, from what I have read, the numbers of deaths and long term incapacitations still seem to be a bit less than our normal flu season numbers. Just stay otherwise healthy and take reasonable precautions and all should be well.

[Chris]

Indeed, this is all hype. Swine flu so far has been less deadly than a normal seasonal flu.

The only reason it gets all this attention is because it is "swine" flu aka, from an animal, and that always freaks people out.

Remember SARS?

[crashdive123]

Must have been a slow news cycle.

[Ken]

Or because WHO is looking for a bigger budget.

[Ken]

Or...they know something we don't.

I mean...the death rate is only part of the equation resulting in the number 6.
In the military, we were taught to wound if possible...since a dead man does not drain resources and monopolize personnel.

I'm a bit confused here. If you were taught to only wound, because a dead man "does not drain resources and monopolize personnel", the other side of the coin is that a wounded man DOES drain resources and monopolize personnel.

Is that what you were trained to do? Drain resources and monopolize personnel?

Therefore, you saw no intelligence value in taking prisoners? Correct?

A wounded man can often still fire a weapon or call in airstrikes. We've had a lot of those guys on our side. Most of our Medal of Honor recipients were like them.

[Pal334]

All of my LEO and military firearms training taught center mass shooting. I guess you could call that "wounding the heart". In reality when employing firearms in a hostile environment, I had no interest in "Draining resources and monopolizing personnel". My primary goal was survival, so I took great interest in terminating threats. THat would be a noble goal, and a question on promotion tests, but I was always suspicious of those that espoused the concept. THose folks never had "dirty boots"

[crashdive123]

My training also taught center mass. I imagine it varies from organization to organization. We also taught that the life of a hostage should be considered, but not influence your decision to take out the bad guy. That's why we carried M-14's - you could shoot through the hostage to kill the bad guy. We took our nuclear weapons very seriously.

[Ken]

My training also taught center mass.

So was mine. Just like Pal and Crash. I also believed that such training was universal in militaries throughout the world. But I never trained in France. Did you, Remy?

[Ken]

Boy, you sure fooled me. I thought it was all http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs019.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Ken]

I think you are fooling yourself...just a matter of convenience yes ?

Heck no. I always seek answers to the unknown. IMHO, you just dispelled a widely held suspicion. Good for you! And that's all I'm going to say about that.

[crashdive123]

I gotta say - not sure why so many are doubting Remy on such a wide variety of subjects (origin, military service, profession). He is what he is and has done what he has done. The fact that he comes here and tells us some of it gives us a broader perspective of things. Oh well. As far as the wounding - like I said, I was never trained that way, but can see the advantages of that tactic (when possible). How many others will be exposed trying to rescue a team member? Why do terrorists (no I'm not comparing military training to terrorist actions) set off a small explosion and then a larger one after rescue has arrived? - because it is effective. Like I said, my training was different. For example - probably not too many were trained that during the moving of a nuclear weapon (read really big missile) on a Navy base - if there is an attack - shoot and kill everybody except those on your immediate team. The dock supervisor, the OSHA supervisor.....well let's just say - it would suck to be them.

[Ken]

I gotta say - not sure why so many are doubting Remy on such a wide variety of subjects ..... profession

Well, I'm sorry to say this, but maybe it's because he doesn't ACT like a profesional. His posts are often personal and degrading. He engages in name calling and insults our family members. If I had the time and inclination, I'd copy and paste the dozens of his posts that substantiate what I have just written. Unless, that is, he has already gone back and deleted them - another of his peculiar habits.

[Rick]

Your reference to wounding is really interesting. It's my understanding the Japanese use that very tactic toward the end of the war for the very same reasons you stated. They felt it removed three men when you wounded one. The one wounded and two to help him off the battlefield. They were pretty danged good at perfecting the art because they resorted (for a lot of reasons, I'm sure) to the use of wooden bullets about .22 in size. My uncle was wounded twice through the use of these tactics. His first wound was suffered by a lead bullet coming ashore. The second and third by sniper fire using wooden bullets. He said it was also quite possible that being wounded was incidental to the fact that the wooden bullets tended to loblolly rather than spiral making the round terribly inaccurate.

[Rick]

Boy, we've sure seen that side of it with this conflict. There is a lot of truth in that, too.

We got off post a bit, sad too 'cause that rarely happens around here (:innocent:)

I have done quite a bit of reading about the WHO's decision to upgrade to a 6 because I had heard a couple of days ago that it would probably happen. I'm not certain it's all hype. I think it's more a political decision but I don't mean that in a negative way.

There are always political considerations when you have to look six months down the road and ensure you have enough of and the right type of flu vaccine. There are also political considerations when you have to project expected infection rates and mortality rates for the fall flu season as well as project the spread of the disease. I'm sure all of those numbers are now firmed up and on someone's desk. It all has to be funded and tracked, etc. and I think the WHO is just setting the stage to ensure all those things are publicly progressing on the correct time scale. There may also be a bit of CYA added in.

[Rick]

End The Rants Here, Please.

[Ken]

It would be a lot easier to engage in a civil conversation with you if you weren't so degrading and insulting to many people here. Why don't you reserve the "button pushing" for your patients? You do realize, of course, that you probably intimidate some members from posting because they want to avoid being degraded or analized by you, don't you? Some folks get awfully upset when you make degrading comments about their mothers. That juvenile behavior usually fades away once you reach high school.

And Freud? C'mon, we both know he was the lead "thinker" in the field of "sexual psychoanalysis."

[Rick]

Mankind always has to get one last jab in. The last word or the last gesture. Really hard to gesture on a forum. I guess that's why we have smilies. I wonder if we will post smilies in retaliation for incoming missiles? It would probably be our last jab. Maybe the last person left alive from the pandemic will post a smiley for all of us.

I don't mind the off thread. I just don't see the point in verbal sparring. That's for everyone, by the way.

[Ken]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent012.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[crashdive123]

Well, now that the WHO has declared the swine flu to be a pandemic it appears there are those that are trying to use that to their advantage. http://nhregister.com/articles/2009/06/11/blotter/doc4a311338f31b9418417968.txt

[Sarge47]

Or...they know something we don't.

I mean...the death rate is only part of the equation resulting in the number 6.
In the military, we were taught to wound if possible...since a dead man does not drain resources and monopolize personnel.A US Marine once told me that if he ever wounded an enemy soldier it meant that the 1st shot missed the intended target. They must do things different in the French Military. I sure can't see the wisdom of leaving a live enemy on the battlefield to shoot you in the back.:cool2:

[Sarge47]

CRASH: It's always been my belief that Remy was not who he said he was because of the juvenile behavior he's displayed in the past. It would be a whole lot better, in my opinion, if he WERE a fraud than to believe that he's actually a professional treating some poor patient somewhere. Professionals "push buttons" on patients that have given their permission to be treated; I don't believe that anybody here has given permission for that. Then there's the problem of the thread's going off topic because of things that get posted, like this one. What started out as a thread on "Swine Flu" quickly got shifted to a topic on "wounding the enemy". If that's professionalism then Lord keep me safe from French professionals. Just my opinion & I'm entitled to it. As far as the data submitted in Remy's defense, it proves nothing as there is no proof that it belongs to Remy, it could belong to anyone, even his dad. Also, I can buy all kinds of medals from places like "Cheaper Than Dirt" & "Major's Surplus 'N Survival". I could also point out in the past that Remy made certain errors like spelling "flu" as "flew", didn't know what an A.L.I.C.E. pack was,(which is used by NATO forces, BTW), was asked a question in French by a former member, now deceased, who then PM'd me that Remy's response, while in french, was grammticaly incorrect; & all the books that were in the photo that he posted awhile back were in English, not a French title anywhere. Let's just say that, in my opinion, it would have been better if Remy were a fake as the alternative is even worse. Again, these are just my observations & opinions in answer to your previous post.:cool2:

[oldsoldier]

sic em sarge! actually I was told the same about wounding it takes 5 people to take care of 1 wounded troop. plus the psycological aspect of a screaming friend. I know that feeling been there. ( don't want to go back to many bad memories) as to the thread. Pandemic fear was probibly started by a french politician! ( sorry remy i couldn't resist )

[Sarge47]

"Then there's the problem of the thread's going off topic because of things that get posted, like this one. What started out as a thread on "Swine Flu" quickly got shifted to a topic on "wounding the enemy"."

Ken got off topic actually.

[AND YOU KEPT IT GOING.]



"As far as the data submitted in Remy's defense, it proves nothing as there is no proof that it belongs to Remy, it could belong to anyone, even his dad. Also, I can buy all kinds of medals from places like "Cheaper Than Dirt" & "Major's Surplus 'N Survival"."

lolll...yeah, that's exactly what i did. I went out and bought all this stuff on cheaper than dirt !?!?




[I]"I could also point out in the past that Remy made certain errors like spelling "flu" as "flew", didn't know what an A.L.I.C.E. pack was,(which is used by NATO forces, BTW), was asked a question in French by a former member, now deceased, who then PM'd me that Remy's response, while in french, was grammatically incorrect;"

Yes...English is a second language to me, and i must admit i misspelled a word here and there.

[YET THE LANGUAGE IN YOUR POSTS SOUND SO AMERICAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE BORN & RAISED HERE. ALSO, YOU USED THE WORD "FLEW" MORE THAN ONCE. A REAL DOCTOR WOULD KNOW AS THAT IS AN IMPORTANT MEDICAL TERM.]

And your memory serves you wrong on the ALICE pack...i had at the time asked for the cubic capacity of the ALICE pack...and you took this as me not knowing what an ALICE pack was...and then, just for fun, i played dumb in hopes it would make you feel better and you would move on.

NO, YOU ACTUALLY ASKED "WHAT'S AN ALICE PACK?" HOWEVER PROVING THAT IS HARD SINCE YOU DELETED THE EVIDENCE. ALSO WE WEREN'T "AT ODDS THEN, IT WAS AN ATTEMPT BY YOU TO COME UP WITH A BETTER "SURVIVAL BAG FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO POST ON THEIR WEB-SITE.

Since I don't know how to highlight I've answered portions of your text, omitting the personal remarks towards me as I don't consider them worth anything. Also, this was in answer to Crash's post, interesting to see you get so defensive though.:cool2:

[Sarge47]

Just a reminder on the A.L.I.C.E. pack thing, look at post #13(thread title: 72 Hours.) where I quote your previous post:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=385

:cool2:

[Sarge47]

lolll It gets better by the minute.

An answer to Crash's post aimed at me.
If you want to talk about me, address your posts to me. Don't use Crash.
I will answer whoever I want when I want; clear?:cool2:

[Sarge47]

Here are some French books, some French CDs and more photos from my time in the French marines, and to make it interesting some knives and stuff....
Enjoy.







http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/volwest/P1000085.jpg
Well I have a Wok, but that doesn't make me Chinese. I also have books on Chess in German, but I'm not German. I have a friend who collects books & weapons made in Russia, but he isn't Soviet...Oh what's the use.:cool2:

[Ken]

Furthermore....why on earth would i lie about being French ?

Tell me what i can do to put this issue of yours to rest.

Gee, I dunno'. Maybe something that originated in France. But what could that be?http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent078.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Ken]

I was only trying to come up with a suggestion to help you "put this issue to rest." Don't worry, I'm still thinking. I'll come up with something for you! :innocent:

[Sarge47]

I was only trying to come up with a suggestion to help you "put this issue to rest." Don't worry, I'm still thinking. I'll come up with something for you! :innocent:Don't bother, do what I did, which is put him back on my "ignore" kist; the guy ain't worth it.:cool2:

[Rick]

You know.....I could care less if Remy is French or French Vanilla or French Fried. It's a forum for cryin' out loud. My guess is a good number of the folks on here are not what they claim to be. No offense, Remy, but if I were going to make up a country to be from it wouldn't be France (although, I can think of a LOT of places it wouldn't be, too).

While everyone is pissing and moaning about "Is too", "Is not" I wonder how many folks bypassed the forum altogether because they didn't want to get wrapped up in the drama?

Let me repeat myself. It's a forum. It doesn't matter. If Remy is French. Hooray. If he's French Canadian, Exceptionnel! If he's Cajun French then Laisser les bons temps rouler!

It's a forum. It doesn't matter. No one cares. For the sake of my sanity (and it's very, very frail) LET IT GO.

[Sourdough]

You know.... My guess is a good number of the folks on here are not what they claim to be. .



O.K. I am going to come clean......and stop pretending to be a forum identity, the pressure is too great. I am really a sweet fuzzy Standard Poodle, But I AIN"T No French Poodle. I weigh 61 pounds, I am a proud American, born in Anchorage, Alaska. Parents are pure Std. Poodle AKC registered.

[Ole WV Coot]

Might as well admit it. I am a home grown Redneck, had you fooled didn't I? The pandemic label has about as much clout as saying naughty, naughty to North Korea. I was taught to shoot center of mass two taps and one to the head. I can see logic using an intentional wounding, been used since torture was invented to make someone do something dumb and it works. I am Scotch-Irish & Swedish and 100% hillbilly. Personally I could care less about who did what to whom, those days are over for me and I don't talk to anyone about them and I don't need or have the need to prove anything to anyone, nor am I easily impressed. Back to the subject, I personally feel it is similar to to terrorist color warnings. I am reasonably isolated so I don't worry about it. That's my opinion of the whole thread.

[Rick]

Hopeak - I don't believe you for a minute. You're going to have to produce the AKC papers, mister.


I don't need or have the need to prove anything to anyone

Dear Mrs. Coot. Please read the above statement. I'm sure he posted this after a safety inspection of the shine. If not, well, we'll let you deal with him.

[Sarge47]

Might as well admit it. I am a home grown Redneck, had you fooled didn't I? The pandemic label has about as much clout as saying naughty, naughty to North Korea. I was taught to shoot center of mass two taps and one to the head. I can see logic using an intentional wounding, been used since torture was invented to make someone do something dumb and it works. I am Scotch-Irish & Swedish and 100% hillbilly. Personally I could care less about who did what to whom, those days are over for me and I don't talk to anyone about them and I don't need or have the need to prove anything to anyone, nor am I easily impressed. Back to the subject, I personally feel it is similar to to terrorist color warnings. I am reasonably isolated so I don't worry about it. That's my opinion of the whole thread.
All the Marines I've known said that they were trained to kill. Marine Corps Snipers, one shot, one kill. Navy Seals: "Spray & Pray"...that they got plenty of ammo. Just sayin'....:cool2:

[oldsoldier]

Ken,sarge.rick I agree.... By the way what was the thread about? I got confused?

[mcfd45]

Here is my take on the shoot to wound arguement. I would agree that our soldiers in all branches are tought to go for center mass. I would also imagine a scenario where you missed the center mass and got a shoulder, abdomen, arm, leg, etc.. if you look and that soldier is out of commision and the medic is treating him and ordering 2 guys to grab a litter, would you continue to shoot him? it is taking 3 soldiers (one being a medic, very important) out of the equation for a while till the get him or her to the aide station, helicopter, infirmery, etc.. I know that the chairborn rangers will say " If I had done my job with the first round I wouldn't have this problem."

[Sarge47]

Here is my take on the shoot to wound arguement. I would agree that our soldiers in all branches are tought to go for center mass. I would also imagine a scenario where you missed the center mass and got a shoulder, abdomen, arm, leg, etc.. if you look and that soldier is out of commision and the medic is treating him and ordering 2 guys to grab a litter, would you continue to shoot him? it is taking 3 soldiers (one being a medic, very important) out of the equation for a while till the get him or her to the aide station, helicopter, infirmery, etc.. I know that the chairborn rangers will say " If I had done my job with the first round I wouldn't have this problem."Many of our military are taught/trained to kill, It would offend them by calling them "chair-born Rangers." My son was in the U.S. Marines & he was taught to kill, not wound. He went through Desert Storm & he certainly wasn't "Chair-born". Also the Marine Corps Snipers are taught: "1 shot, 1Kill", not "1 shot, 1 wound." Do you have any military experience?:cool2:

[oldsoldier]

Most military snipers use the motto O.S.O.K if I am in the situation i myself will most certianly shoot to kill. (no offense to Ken meant here) Especially in America of today. If some punk tries to rob me or mine and I shoot his a## if I don't kill him he'll get a bigger scumbag Lawyer to sue me and likely win the case. But the numbers are there on wounding.

[Ken]

Most military snipers use the motto O.S.O.K if I am in the situation i myself will most certianly shoot to kill. (no offense to Ken meant here) Especially in America of today. If some punk tries to rob me or mine and I shoot his a## if I don't kill him he'll get a bigger scumbag Lawyer to sue me and likely win the case. But the numbers are there on wounding.

Nah, I wouldn't sue ya'. I'd represent you. And I'd toss in the 10 or so rounds you used to complete your honorable task.

[LostOutrider]

Well I have a Wok, but that doesn't make me Chinese.

Best.
Quote.
Ever.

And I don't even care if Remy is or isn't Remy. I'm going to find a way to use that line somewhere, somehow.

[mcfd45]

Many of our military are taught/trained to kill, It would offend them by calling them "chair-born Rangers." My son was in the U.S. Marines & he was taught to kill, not wound. He went through Desert Storm & he certainly wasn't "Chair-born". Also the Marine Corps Snipers are taught: "1 shot, 1Kill", not "1 shot, 1 wound." Do you have any military experience?:cool2:
I never called your son a chairborn ranger. I have never served in our military. Have you?

[Sarge47]

I never called your son a chairborn ranger. I have never served in our military. Have you?I was referring to this line of yours: "I know that the chairborn rangers will say " If I had done my job with the first round I wouldn't have this problem." No, I have not served in the military, but I have a son & two brothers who did, my point was that they themselves will attest that they were taught to "shoot to kill". It was not their own idea, but military training. One of my brothers retired from the military just a few years ago after serving for 20 years & is a deputy Sheriff today. I'm sure that critically wounding an enemy would have been okay, but it was not the way they were initially trained. :cool2:

[mcfd45]

What you are trained to do and able to do are two very different things.

[mcfd45]

Col. Rex Applegate (WWII) talks about this concept in his book "Close Combat files" (if i remember well, since he wrote many books)...where he mentions the moral impact of maimed soldiers on the civilian population for example.



One could also argue that the use on the battlefield of the 5.56mm round, is somewhat related to its wounding capabilities.

Any thoughts on that by our more knowledgeable gun people here ?

How about the use of FMJ bullets? I understand that the hague convention outlaws the use of hollow point munitions. I believe their are several reasons for this.
1: FMJs are more likely to continue through a target into the next target. Like in a massive charge you hit the guy in front and the guy behind him.
2: FMJs feed more reliably than a HP or soft point bullet.
3: Targets are wounded not killed requiring several support troops to care to the wounded soldier.

[Sarge47]

What you are trained to do and able to do are two very different things.Opinions vary.:cool2:

[Rick]

There are any number of examples of intentional wounding. The Germans used the "Bouncing Betty" land mine in WWII. It was a "bounding" mine similar to ones we've used. The Russians used bounding mines in Afghanistan as well as booby trapped childrens' toys designed to intentionally maim kids for the psychological effect it had on the population. I'm sure most of you remember the news stories.

[Sarge47]

Just got off the phone with my son who went through Desert Storm while in the Marines. I asked him specifically about what his preference was & he said "one shot, one kill. Marines don't like to waste ammo, fight the same guy again later, or pay for the same real estate twice." Thought so. :cool2:

[Sarge47]

You'd have to talk to my son about that, after all he's the Marine; just sayin':cool2:

[Pal334]

In WW II, the United States and its allies expended 25,000 rounds of ammunition to kill a single enemy soldier. In the Korean War, the ammunition expenditure had increased four fold to 100,000 rounds per soldier; in the Vietnam War, that figure had doubled to 200,000 rounds of ammunition for the death of a single enemy soldier.

Also...i was not in the USMC.
And again, yes, killing is the primary objective...but if you had been in the military, you would understand that extreme amounts of rounds are put down range. "one shot one kill" is great, it really is, but for the most part, that is just not how war works for the infantry man. Snipers sure...but not your typical foot soldier.

Think about it (or not)...think about how air support works.
Think about the value of "disabling" working in conjunction with killing.
Look at Beo being shot in the hip out there in the sand box. Could he still fight ? Sure...would they (the enemy) have preferred him dead ? Sure...but the fact is, that he is out of the fight. He was disabled, and in the process, resources were allocated to his wound. To the enemy, it is a successful shot. Now imagine if he had lost a leg. Imagine the impact on his family, on his work, on his life, on the policy makers, on the tax payers and so on...

Furthermore, and again, if you had had a military experience you would know this...The "duty" of a soldier (and especially infantry men) is geared towards his brothers before anything else. If my brother is wounded, i will go help him...no ifs nor buts about it. In a small unit, counted on the battlefield as "guns", and not "men", the disabling of 2 guns has a tremendous impact on the fire fight. Here comes the concept of suppressing fire and so on, making the "one shot one kill" a goal maybe, but not a reality of war.

Have you ever been in a fox hole at night with "enemies" approaching ?
We had that exercise at some point...you can't see ****, it's dark, you are shivering due to cold and lack of sleep...your fingers can barely undo the safety on your gun...let me tell you...one shot one kill just does not happen but by luck at this point. This is not the range.


Not sure what part of the U.S. military you where in. The part I served in for 25 years taught marksmanship, and constantly pounded it into your head. Having said that, the fear aspect of a real shootem up causes some folks to "spray and pray", that is a fact of life and it results in the figures you accurately quoted. Just sharing my thoughts

[crashdive123]

I think some of you are missing the point of Remy's posts. The wounding of soldiers in combat takes resources out of the fight, albeit temporarily to some extent. With those resources removed from the battle, opposing forces may have a chance for success, where before they may not have. Seeing a team mate injured can demoralize or motivate troops. He also talked about the impact that returning soldiers has on public opinion. Face it - in war where the military is funded and directed by politicians (that view public opinion polls as often as you and I breathe). When public opinion is affected by the sight of returning service members that have been traumatically injured, they let their politicians know about it. I don't believe anybody has said that it should be the goal of the military to wound, but rather that they have learned that it can have a significant impact. Look at the use of nuclear weapons. When you hear the stories about the two that were dropped during WWII what do you hear? The majority of the stories told are not about how many were killed in the initial blasts, but rather the affect they had on the population. Those two blasts took the will to fight away from those that controlled the military.

[Rick]

I haven't posted again on this because I don't have the experience or background to talk about it. But that's the way I read Remy's post as well.

[mcfd45]

If you shoot and you kill your target good for you, If you wound your target good for you for taking a dozen people out of the fight.

[Sarge47]

If I were there & one of my buddies got hit I'd just yell out for a medic & keep going. Marines don't want to pay for the same real estate twice. During Viet Nam the Viet Cong & their allies would wound an American soldier to draw others in. (Remember the movie: "Full Metal Jacket?) I'd just let the guy bleed out, but that's just me. I'm not getting my butt shot off because of someone else's misfortune. If they're really bad off then I'll just shoot them & end the problem.:cool2:

[Ken]

If I were there & one of my buddies got hit I'd just yell out for a medic & keep going. Marines don't want to pay for the same real estate twice. During Viet Nam the Viet Cong & their allies would wound an American soldier to draw others in. (Remember the movie: "Full Metal Jacket?) I'd just let the guy bleed out, but that's just me. I'm not getting my butt shot off because of someone else's misfortune. If they're really bad off then I'll just shoot them & end the problem.:cool2:



*Blots tears with tissue* *Blows nose and blots tears again.....*

I'm getting all choked up here. You really are a softy. Did you know that? :innocent:

[Sarge47]

*Blots tears with tissue* *Blows nose and blots tears again.....*

I'm getting all choked up here. You really are a softy. Did you know that? :innocent:Look at how many guys I just kept in the fight! But hey, I'd say a prayer for'em 1st! :innocent:

[Pal334]

But Sarge, that is the guy you have been sharing your beer and smokes with! I wish the decision was that simple/easy >

[crashdive123]

Sarge, not sure if your post was tongue in cheek or not. Let me just say that I would die trying to protect my teammates. That protection may come in the form of returning fire, rendering first aid, etc. You use the Viet Nam analogy. I have served with many Navy Hospital Corpsman that served with Marine units in Nam. Everyone of them, without exception were the target of the enemy. None of them wore the red cross on their helmets. Most of them carried the same weapons as the rest of the troops they were with so that they would not stand out as a target. Each and every member of the team carried medical suppplies that were "designated" for the Corpsman. This way if somebody was wounded, supplies were right there so that teammates could provide care. The reality is that when a teammate is injured it does take others out of the fight for at least a brief time (that's why I said albeit temporarily in my previous post).

[Ole WV Coot]

Sarge, not sure if your post was tongue in cheek or not. Let me just say that I would die trying to protect my teammates. That protection may come in the form of returning fire, rendering first aid, etc. You use the Viet Nam analogy. I have served with many Navy Hospital Corpsman that served with Marine units in Nam. Everyone of them, without exception were the target of the enemy. None of them wore the red cross on their helmets. Most of them carried the same weapons as the rest of the troops they were with so that they would not stand out as a target. Each and every member of the team carried medical suppplies that were "designated" for the Corpsman. This way if somebody was wounded, supplies were right there so that teammates could provide care. The reality is that when a teammate is injured it does take others out of the fight for at least a brief time (that's why I said albeit temporarily in my previous post).

That's the way I remember it. You had your own pack & weren't suppose to use it on anyone else. You got it exactly right, can't add a thing.

[Sarge47]

Sarge, not sure if your post was tongue in cheek or not. Let me just say that I would die trying to protect my teammates. That protection may come in the form of returning fire, rendering first aid, etc. You use the Viet Nam analogy. I have served with many Navy Hospital Corpsman that served with Marine units in Nam. Everyone of them, without exception were the target of the enemy. None of them wore the red cross on their helmets. Most of them carried the same weapons as the rest of the troops they were with so that they would not stand out as a target. Each and every member of the team carried medical suppplies that were "designated" for the Corpsman. This way if somebody was wounded, supplies were right there so that teammates could provide care. The reality is that when a teammate is injured it does take others out of the fight for at least a brief time (that's why I said albeit temporarily in my previous post).Yes, Crash, it was "tongue in cheek". However, I always subscribe to the saying that "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." If you're unable to reach your wounded buddy to pull them to safety or to render 1st aid, how is your dying going to help? I'd probably go get some payback! Oh crap! I just realized that I'm starting to sound a bit like Remy! :innocent:

[oldsoldier]

Oh crap! I just realized that I'm starting to sound a bit like Remy!

Sarge you do know that the Dr. can perscribe meds. for that right??

[crashdive123]

This headline certainly caught my attention.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a8_2nrwYD1kM

[nell67]

This speedy vaccine they are pushing out,may have a little something to do with that number...

[Pal334]

Crash,,, You know,, the darndest thing? The corporation I am consulting for just sent out a statement (Friday)to employees that equated the illness and death rate (projected ) to be about the same as the regular flu! They pay hundreds of thousand of dollars for this type of "intelligence" annually. I guess I am going to wait for the book to come out and tell me what happened. I guess on slow news days the news will be worse :)

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

My opinion just protect yourself in a reasonable manner. I won't be shakin' as many hands and washin' if I do. Push the bathroom door at the very top.. just use common sense is all..

[Pal334]

My opinion just protect yourself in a reasonable manner. I won't be shakin' as many hands and washin' if I do. Push the bathroom door at the very top.. just use common sense is all..

Cowboy,,good advice, we adults should act the way we teach our kids (not that they pay any attention). Don't sneeze on each other and wash hands frequently.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

School has started for my 6 yr. old and I am pretty sure things are in place such as simple hand washing. She mentioned she isn't shakin' hands anymore. Didn't get it from Dad it came from the school. Gives you a little peice of mind. Daddy will be reinforcing some of what she already knows from school. See it has been communicated all the way through to the SC school system...amazing!

[LostOutrider]

I work in a school. We've had students for about two weeks now and have already posted our H1N1 preparedness/reaction statement on the website and have sent home a parent copy with the students. There has been one mass-email sent around from HR to all staff about the importance of not only keeping your hands washed but of staying home when you are sick. (Teachers are notorious for coming to work when anything less than deathly ill. This is due mostly to the low number of paid sick leave days we get, the high number of little plague-bearers we encounter each day, and the absolute pain in the rear of planning for, prepping for, and running damage control after a substitute teacher.)

So far, there are no confirmed cases at any of the schools in my immediate area. I've stocked up on pedialyte, infant fever reducer, & baby formula just because of the local population's tendency to freak out over Local News stormgasms and descend upon Wal-Mart like a plague of locusts. I swear, get a % chance for snow in the forecast and you can't buy bread or milk for a week. If there is a local story about clogged ERs or medicine shortages, I imagine folks will stampede the aisles. Doesn't hurt to prepare, especially for the little ones.