How does one get a second opinion?

[marylp]

Hey Guys, I am in a real bind. My dad has been told he has lung cancer. The doctor wants to remove his left lung. It is really scary, but we need to do something fast. My dad is shocked because he quit smoking in 1984 to avoid this, well it happened anyway. Everyone is tellling me to get him a second opinion. This is a very painful surgery and I want to spare him this if I can. I have never been thru this before. I have so many questions, for example.

Will the diagnosing doctor be offended, if we seek out another opinion?
Should I just look for another surgeon in the phone book?
Someone told me the diagnosing doctor will give me referral, but why should he, somehow it doesnt sound right.
After, you go to another doc,do you stay with him, or go back to the first one and say, you were wrong or you were right.
What if the second opinion is wrong and the first one was right?

I realize, I may be confusing you, My dad lives about 50 miles north of me, the back and forth trips daily are killing me, I havent slept in a week, been working my shifts and trying to do everything else while my brain isnt working properly.
Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thank you, Mary

[oly]

Nothing wrong with getting a second opinion.
Sorry about this situation your in.

[nell67]

Mary,if the doctor is worth his salt at all,he will give the refferal,and with PLEASURE,if not only to calm your fears,but his as well,it cannot be easy for him to hand a life sentence to one of his patients.

Ask him for his referral,and while you are at it,check out Cancer Treatment Centers of America,but he must be self pay,or have private insurance,as they do not take state/federal aid patients.

Good luck to you and your father,I will keep your family in my prayers.

[Ken]

Mary, I'm really sorry to hear about your dad's medical problem. I lost my father to lung cancer 15 years ago. I understand. Medical science has come far in the last 15 years, so hang in there, both of you. Some answers to the questions you raised:



Will the diagnosing doctor be offended, if we seek out another opinion?

Probably not. Second opinions are quite common in such circumstaces. Rest assured that the doctor would be getting second, third, and fourth opinions if given the same diagnosis. If the doctor gets upset, it's time for a new doc.


Should I just look for another surgeon in the phone book?

There are a number of resources available. The best bet is a major regional hospital with a top-notch oncology department. You can also research oncologosts in your region on the web.



Someone told me the diagnosing doctor will give me referral, but why should he, somehow it doesnt sound right.

He or she may be glad to give you a referral. The hospitals and medical centers in Boston are considered among the best in the world. The doctors there generally work in teams. They often seek out second opinions and peer reviews of cases even without being asked by the patient.



After, you go to another doc,do you stay with him, or go back to the first one and say, you were wrong or you were right.

Their opinions may be the same, and they both may actually agree to refer you to a third doctor. If their opinions vary significantly, get a third opinion. Often, bedside manner and the approach in care taken by a doctor is the most important factor. Your dad may very well be "curable" if surgery is being recommended. Quality of life issues are still very important.


What if the second opinion is wrong and the first one was right?

Again, if the opinions vary significantly, get more opinions. Base your decisions on the advice that makes sense to you and offers the best quality of life.

Good luck to you and your dad. I'll remember both of you in my prayers.

[Pict]

Mary,

I was going to respond but Ken did a great job. Sorry to hear you are going through this. If your Dad hadn't quit smoking you would have been doing this years ago, his decision can be measured in decades. I hope he has many more. Mac

[mountain mama]

CNN did an article on this: http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/11/06/ep.online.second.opinions/index.html
They list 5 steps you should take.

[mcfd45]

marylp I am sorry to hear that you and your dad have to go through this. I understand the thought of a lobectomy is very scary, and it is. You have some questions to ask yourself about this. Most surgeons operate out of a hospital. Is this hospital a small community hospital or a massive 1000+ bed hospital? While the staff tends to be much nicer at the smaller one due to lower patient to staff ratios they are less equipped. here is a link that USA news rating americas hospitals. You may want to look and find one in your area. Perhaps they can give you a better opinion.
http://health.usnews.com/sections/health/best-hospitals
Good luck.
Jeff

[Rick]

Mary - First, I'm sorry you and your family are going through this. Cancer is one disease that is often as difficult on the caregivers as it is on the patient. I lost my father to lung cancer in 2001. However, his was inoperable and fairly advanced by the time it was discovered. The fact that your father's IS operable is certainly a good sign.

Ken offered you some good advice above.

Here are some articles to read through. It lists some questions you might want to ask. Also, call your local American Cancer Society and discuss your concerns and questions with them. And be very candid with your father's doctor. Make a list of questions to ask each time you go so you don't forget to ask something important and MAKE CERTAIN your father understands his doctor's instructions. If your physician isn't open to questions and things like second opinions, as Ken said, it's time to find another doctor.

I wish you and your father the very best of luck and hope this is just a bump in the road for him with many more healthy years ahead of him.

http://www.ynhh.org/choice/secondopinion.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/11/06/ep.online.second.opinions/index.html

http://www.womenshealth.gov/tools/secondopinion.cfm

[crashdive123]

Mary - sorry to hear about your dad. He, and your family are certainly in my prayers. I agree with the advice that Ken offered.

[oldsoldier]

Mary my prayers to you and your family. To answer your question again I agree with everyone else. YES,YES,YES get another opinion my Father faced a similar diagnosis back in 1977. The Dr. told him after a physical he had lung cancer, that he needed immediate surgery or he would only have about a year to live. He demanded a second and then a third opinion! The third one was with a specialist in Nashville Tennessee. The second opinion was the same as the first. ( same medical center and Drs. were friends) The third opinion from the specialist was NO he had beena smoker fo 40+ years. He had lung damage from the years he smoked but no lung cancer. So he didn't need surgery after all. But sadly he died of heart problems 2 years later.

[Lorna]

My prayers are with you and your family.

[Kankujoe]

Hey Guys, I am in a real bind. My dad has been told he has lung cancer. The doctor wants to remove his left lung. It is really scary, but we need to do something fast. My dad is shocked because he quit smoking in 1984 to avoid this, well it happened anyway. Everyone is tellling me to get him a second opinion. This is a very painful surgery and I want to spare him this if I can. I have never been thru this before. I have so many questions, for example.

Will the diagnosing doctor be offended, if we seek out another opinion?
Should I just look for another surgeon in the phone book?
Someone told me the diagnosing doctor will give me referral, but why should he, somehow it doesnt sound right.
After, you go to another doc,do you stay with him, or go back to the first one and say, you were wrong or you were right.
What if the second opinion is wrong and the first one was right?

I realize, I may be confusing you, My dad lives about 50 miles north of me, the back and forth trips daily are killing me, I havent slept in a week, been working my shifts and trying to do everything else while my brain isnt working properly.
Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thank you, Mary

Hello Mary,

First off, I'm sorry about what you & your Dad must be going through right now. It is indeed scary especially when you don't know what to do.

I'm going to try to tell you what I would tell anyone in my family or anyone of my own patients (yes, I am a physician, been in practice almost 25 years). I would tell them that I'm referring them for a second opinion, maybe a third opinion. If they have another doctor or specialist in mind I'd also try to make a referral there (based on their insurance network). If they wanted to see someone else I would support that as well (unless I didn't like the reputation of the other doctor). I would not be offended in the least if someone looked for answers elsewhere. Your personal health is a private matter and it is your decision to make... you should get as much information as possible before undergoing a major procedure or undergoing dangerous treatment (surgery, chemo, radiation, etc.). After the second or third opinion it is up to you to decide who you feel more confident about. Ask about the risk/benefit of each option, also ask about the longterm outcome with or without any particular treatment. Sometimes that outcome is the same if you do nothing. Find out what kind of cancer it is (which cell type & tissues are involved). Have a biopsy done to make sure. Each type of lung cancer may respond better to certain treatments. Don't do anything until you get all the answers you need. Look on the internet, in bookstores, libraries,.... there is alot of information out there that you can get without too much effort.

Most likely the doctor who made the initial diagnosis was a family doctor based on tests that were interpreted by another doctor anyway (or a team of specialists - radiologist, oncologist, thoracic/pulmonary surgeon). The family doctor will not do the surgery or treatment but will defer to another specialist who deals with lung cancer frequently. If your Dad was diagnosed by a specialist already, seeking another opinion is not unusual.

Now for yourself, you need to also take care of yourself and get proper rest so that you can be healthy and be there for your Dad. Don't give up hope there are many people who do fine after having lung cancer.

Wishing you & your Dad well.

[marylp]

Hey everyone, Thank you so much for your advice and your encouragement. I will certainly read up on the links and follow-up on everything possible. I knew I would get good information here and some kind words also. May God Bless You. Mary I wont be online to often, but I will let let guys know how things are going. Mary

[Jay]

I dont know how stuff works over there...but Ken,Rick and the other seem to have valid options for you to follow. my thoughts and prays for you and your dad. Tell him that Jay said hi form Sri Lanka. Might keep him busy trying to figure out where it is.
God bless
j

[trax]

Mary, I guess that you've got some pretty good advice here already. My prayers are with you and your family. About the 2nd opinion....hell, it's his life, don't give a second thought to the doctor's feelings being hurt.

[Ole WV Coot]

Mary, I think Ken said it best. The word "cancer" was an automatic death notice years ago and is very scary. My wife is a 6yr survivor and I contribute that to good doctors and prayer. Get all the opinions you can.

[flandersander]

I'm sorry to hear that. I lost my father last summer. I had no warning though. One minute we were loading up for the lake, the next we were on the way to the hospitle. I urge you to spend as much time as you can. I never had the chance. Your father is in my prayers.

[Link7881]

Hey Guys, I am in a real bind. My dad has been told he has lung cancer. The doctor wants to remove his left lung. It is really scary, but we need to do something fast. My dad is shocked because he quit smoking in 1984 to avoid this, well it happened anyway. Everyone is tellling me to get him a second opinion. This is a very painful surgery and I want to spare him this if I can. I have never been thru this before. I have so many questions, for example.

Will the diagnosing doctor be offended, if we seek out another opinion?
Should I just look for another surgeon in the phone book?
Someone told me the diagnosing doctor will give me referral, but why should he, somehow it doesnt sound right.
After, you go to another doc,do you stay with him, or go back to the first one and say, you were wrong or you were right.
What if the second opinion is wrong and the first one was right?

I realize, I may be confusing you, My dad lives about 50 miles north of me, the back and forth trips daily are killing me, I havent slept in a week, been working my shifts and trying to do everything else while my brain isnt working properly.
Any help or advice will be appreciated. Thank you, Mary

I'm sorry to hear this story. I am not an expert but I can say that your doctor wouldn't mind if you get another opinion. I can suggest a website that consist of oncologists, Claremont surgical oncologist (http://doctorfinders.com/doctor.php?Provider=lvanyo). You can find oncologists in that website that are near your area. Next is, you can have a 3rd opinion after seeking the 2nd. Now, if you think that one of those doctors made you feel comfortable then it's up to you to change your doctor to another one. Just make sure that the doctor that you will choose will help your father to feel better.:) Prayers for your dad. Make him strong.:)

[Tundrascout]

I have a friend who is a 5 year survivor of lung cancer.
Like the others said, the "C" word aint as ominous as it used to be.
Prayers!

[TucsonMax]

Mary:
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
Now, absolutely, get a second, third and fourth opinions. You will not hurt the doctor's feelings. That's a popular misconception by laymen. He will actually, most likely appreciate it as much as you do. He is human and can make mistakes and would want you to discuss this with other professionals. (He would do the same thing if he was in your shoes.) We often think of medicine as "a science." It is not, it is really as much of an art, as it is a science, because everyone's chemical make-up, history and situation is different.

If you have the time, I strongly suggest you read this book: How to Survive Your Doctor's Care by Pam Gallin, MD. It's here on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/How-Survive-Your-Doctors-Care/dp/0895261200/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1246915373&sr=8-1

It's tag line is: "An Insider's Guide to Navigating the System." It will explain to you how doctors and hospitals work and work together and how and why you should get a second opinion, among other things. It is a fast read and I purchased copies for all of my relatives. I think it will help you.

[Boker]

Hello Mary,

First off, I'm sorry about what you & your Dad must be going through right now. It is indeed scary especially when you don't know what to do.

I'm going to try to tell you what I would tell anyone in my family or anyone of my own patients (yes, I am a physician, been in practice almost 25 years). I would tell them that I'm referring them for a second opinion, maybe a third opinion. If they have another doctor or specialist in mind I'd also try to make a referral there (based on their insurance network). If they wanted to see someone else I would support that as well (unless I didn't like the reputation of the other doctor). I would not be offended in the least if someone looked for answers elsewhere. Your personal health is a private matter and it is your decision to make... you should get as much information as possible before undergoing a major procedure or undergoing dangerous treatment (surgery, chemo, radiation, etc.). After the second or third opinion it is up to you to decide who you feel more confident about. Ask about the risk/benefit of each option, also ask about the longterm outcome with or without any particular treatment. Sometimes that outcome is the same if you do nothing. Find out what kind of cancer it is (which cell type & tissues are involved). Have a biopsy done to make sure. Each type of lung cancer may respond better to certain treatments. Don't do anything until you get all the answers you need. Look on the internet, in bookstores, libraries,.... there is alot of information out there that you can get without too much effort.

Most likely the doctor who made the initial diagnosis was a family doctor based on tests that were interpreted by another doctor anyway (or a team of specialists - radiologist, oncologist, thoracic/pulmonary surgeon). The family doctor will not do the surgery or treatment but will defer to another specialist who deals with lung cancer frequently. If your Dad was diagnosed by a specialist already, seeking another opinion is not unusual.

Now for yourself, you need to also take care of yourself and get proper rest so that you can be healthy and be there for your Dad. Don't give up hope there are many people who do fine after having lung cancer.

Wishing you & your Dad well.

I agree with the Doc on most points. The primary Doc should of offered a referral to a surgeon that will do the surgery. That gives you 2 opinions. A very valuable option is to go back to the primary Doc and ask for another referral to a different surgeon about the same issues. That keeps the 2 surgeons from knowing each other (as far as your specific case goes) and will give you a good 3 opinions. If you have a specific Doc in mind, ask your primary Doc to refer you to him. (Or better yet, make the appointment yourself).

Decided which Doc you like better. If the opinions are pretty close and plans of care are almost identical you pretty much know what has to be done. The hard part from here is finding the right Surgeon to do the job. My advice on this deal: As the nurses that recover those specific type patients. They will know which is the better surgeon. Where Docs of all type are bound to not talk ill of their fellow physicians. Nurses have no such honor. (Wish we did...but I digress). The easiest way is to simply ask "Which Doc/Surgeon would be your choice to operated on your family?" Just be prepared for a 3rd or more choice.

The small hospital I work at do quite a few thoracotomies with lobectomies with pretty good success. I'm sure we aren't top end. But our outcomes are generally good.

I know its a late thread, but just incase any of it helps. Wish you the best of luck.

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