View Full Version : We Need Gun Control..now....now
Sourdough
04-03-2009, 06:59 PM
Three times in the last month people have lost it and committed mass-murder with firearms.......ENOUGH. We need GUN CONTROL Now.
This does not need to happen, if everyone over 21 was required to carry 100% of the time, that they are not in their home this would stop.
Odd how this will result in a call for restricted access to firearms, when you would expect it to result in an uprising and demand the right to carry 100% of the time.
:):):)
Odd how these things always seem to occur in April. Virginia Tec, Columbine now this....
Let's ban cars, first. They cause a lot more death.
crashdive123
04-03-2009, 07:01 PM
Of course the gun banners will take the opportunity of today's tragedy to further attempt to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens.
I was thinking the same thing when I watched the news report. You can't help wonder if any of the folks had been CCW would it have changed the outcome.
doug1980
04-03-2009, 07:06 PM
Yup more gun control because the people making the decisions have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Never used a firearm and probably never seen one but they get to make the decisions because they are "experts." Sounds fair and makes sense to me.....i think.....no......yes.....ahhhh my brain hurts.
DOGMAN
04-03-2009, 07:09 PM
Aahh, ol' Samuel Colt is probably rolling over in his grave, just yelling "Why can't they understand the concept of the PEACEKEEPER"
I always loved the quote, "although God made every man different, Sam Colt made them equal."
I agree Hopeak, I agree!
Hopeak, I couldn't agree more. You really oughta' run for President.
Ole WV Coot
04-03-2009, 07:18 PM
I was thinking the same thing when I watched the news report. You can't help wonder if any of the folks had been CCW would it have changed the outcome.
I think with over 20 some years practice, if he started when he was wearing three cornered pants I believe my 50 some years of pulling a trigger could , I think have cut down the body count some if I didn't take his first shot. I was in a jewelry store a few months ago and the owner said he felt safer when his customers he knew were carrying. Man ain't dumb.:sneaky2:
It's hard to walk into a gun shop around here and NOT find the employees with one on their side (and at least one backup somewhere). Eliminates the question up front.
Alpine_Sapper
04-03-2009, 07:39 PM
We were talking about this today at work. Turns out, one of the gun shops right around the corner had some kid attempt to rob them. Two guys ran in brandishing shotguns, and shoved a female to the floor, started yelling and stuff. The owner stepped out of the back with a .40 and put a round through the closest one's head. The other didn't stick around long enough for him to get a clean shot at him. In the same conversation, I found out one of the ranges I frequent had an attempted robbery with a very similar outcome. Two assailants, one dead on scene, the other fleeing for his life.
Two places you don't want to try to rob, gun shops and doughnut shops.
But yeah, since the gunman was using a "high powered rifle", I'd suggest stocking up on ammo if you can find it.
crashdive123
04-03-2009, 07:51 PM
Speaking of stocking up...I had an appointment today in office park. The suite where I had the appointment did clerical type work. In one of the rooms - 100,000 rounds of 9mm ammunition. Owner said he was waiting for the price to go up and then would start selling it. Ya gotta love an entrepreneur. I'm still working on a bit of barter with him for a few thousand rounds. No luck yet, but I haven't given up.
Speaking of stocking up...I had an appointment today in office park. The suite where I had the appointment did clerical type work. In one of the rooms - 100,000 rounds of 9mm ammunition. Owner said he was waiting for the price to go up and then would start selling it. Ya gotta love an entrepreneur. I'm still working on a bit of barter with him for a few thousand rounds. No luck yet, but I haven't given up.
Address. I need an address.........
Alpine_Sapper
04-03-2009, 07:53 PM
Address. I need an address.........
lol. yeah, and a wax impression of the door key.
lol. yeah, and a wax impression of the door key.
My clients don't use keys .........
crashdive123
04-03-2009, 07:57 PM
No need to make it hard. I have a key and alarm code.
Can you see the conversation if that place catches on fire?
"Uh, Mr. Fireman."
"Not now, sir. I'm busy."
"Yeah, but you REALLY want to know this."
No need to make it hard. I have a key and alarm code.
Trade???? Barter????
wareagle69
04-03-2009, 08:19 PM
ifn i remember correctly you are not allowed to carry in a federal building(can't blame those folks for that) so this being an immigration office it is federal and thus not stoppable by armed civillians
Sourdough
04-03-2009, 08:30 PM
ifn i remember correctly you are not allowed to carry in a federal building(can't blame those folks for that) so this being an immigration office it is federal and thus not stoppable by armed civilians
New Gun Control Law, overrides all federal Building bunk, New Law you do not "HAVE" to carry in your own home, everywhere else, everyone packs all the time. Schools, Church, Office, everywhere. I know it will never happen, but it makes as much sense as restricted Gun Control.
:winkiss:
I strolled in to the local post office one day, pistol in pocket, and was reading the No Guns Allowed poster while I stood in line. Oops. I leave it in the car when I go in now.
wareagle69
04-03-2009, 08:33 PM
anyplace that has customer service must be exempted(although it might make those idiots a little more pleaseant and compassionate) how many times at the driver licence office have you looked around and had a silly little thought
I strolled in to the local post office one day last year, pistol in pocket, and was reading the No Guns Allowed poster while I stood in line. Oops. I leave it in the car when I go in now.
Sooooo, you just admitted commiting a federal offense, huh? :sneaky2: *hits speed dial numbers for FBI, ATF, and Postal Inspectors*
wareagle69
04-03-2009, 08:40 PM
bananass' don't count as a pistol rick
crashdive123
04-03-2009, 08:41 PM
Rick??????
Water pistol. My bad. I left out "water". In a theoretical sort of post thingy.
crashdive123
04-03-2009, 09:15 PM
I meant WE's post.
Oh, and I did it years ago. Years and years ago. If it HAD been a real weapon the statute of limitations would have expired years ago.
(looking over list of words that red flag the feds)
Pal334
04-04-2009, 06:29 AM
Although these unfortunate folks were taking their citizenship exams at this Civic Center, it was / is a local group sponsored facility. So the Federal "limitations" would not apply.
My "Monday morning quarterback" input (provided with no malice towards the responding police agencies) . Why did it take 90 minutes from first report to the first LEO entering the building? We always trained to have the first 3 responders gather and conduct an immediate entry. Not a perfect response plan but it potentially would disrupt the bad guys activities. Just a thought, again not a criticism.
Beans
04-04-2009, 07:56 AM
Why did it take 90 minutes from first report to the first LEO entering the building?
Because it was dangerous and someone inside had a "GUN" or because it was a Federal building and they had to get permission.
I watched the civic center thingi and the pervious one on CNN. How Long is it going to take before they realize that its not guns or gun control is the issue. Its about bacic values and principles. if you dont teach your children what is right and wrong...if you dont teach them about the sanctitiy of human life the problem is not going to go away. taking guns off citizens is not going to solve the problem. teach the kids values. teach them respect. that will make a difference.
Alpine_Sapper
04-04-2009, 08:44 AM
I don't really think it has anything to do with values. No matter what your values are, in a personal crisis, all that goes out the window. I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I think this is the modern version of all those wall street brokers jumping from windows and stuff back during the Depression. Then it was "OMG, what am I gonna do????" AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH splat. Now, after almost 100 years of being packed into tighter and tighter groups in the city, and being constantly assaulted with violence in one form or another, whether it's mass shootings in schools or the subway, or news footage of a war overseas, since Vietnam we've had a much more closeup look at what is really going on over there. (yeah, yeah, I know about all the BS with the media in 'nam, but it started a trend that now has camera's and reporters up everyone's arse). With all of this re-programming for input, how could the average joe that cracks not go homicidal instead of suicidal? I can see it now.
"Your fired."
"What? But you just hired x (insert immigrant's name here)"
"Doesn't matter, your still fired."
*walks away mumbling about getting even with furreners
As a society we create our own monsters. Being in a small rural village there were few enough people and enough personal interaction that typically everyone knew when someone had a screw loose and could intervene as necessary. In today's modern city lifestyle it's possible to go weeks (or even months) without ever speaking a word to anyone until you walk into a building strapped down with HE and large caliber rounds. Days later they'll find the blog where the guy was saying he was gonna do it for months, but, not only did nobody talk to the guy, but nobody read his blog either, ya know?
With respect,Jay, I think it's deeper than that. Mental illness can occur as part of our biology or from some external source. Whatever the reason, whatever the source, we should be less concerned about the tool than about the underlying cause. A church coffee pot poisoned a few years ago. Cars used as weapons. We need to focus less on the symptom and more on the underlying cause.
Sources:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article875603.ece
http://criminalrights.blogspot.com/2008/09/rejected-man-allegedly-used-car-as.html
If you live in Britain, the worry is knives. 100 stabbings a week. Remove the gun and some other weapon is found.
http://www.libdems.org.uk/home/holmes-100-stabbings-a-week-under-labour-demonstrate-scale-of-britain%E2%80%99s-knife-culture-204365317;show
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5366544.stm
red lake
04-04-2009, 09:58 AM
Gun laws are important in my opinion, but they should not be in place to restrict all people from owning them, just as a means to regulate and add some level of safety to society.
We all know people who shouldn't ever be allowed to own a firearm. What is wrong with having a system in place prevent this from happening. I have two guns and acquired them legally and store them within the laws of the country I live. No big deal. If the Gov't wants to know how many guns I have, then so be it. They will know who is ready to take up arms and able to shoot a weapon in the event my country is invaded!
I think that we should be talking about the tragedy of the killings rather than the merits of gun laws.
Sourdough
04-04-2009, 10:15 AM
Too many humans in too small a space, worse the population doubles every 30 years.
Red Lake, I don't disagree with you. There are laws on the books that work quite well. Criminals and those with known, treated mental health disorders don't need lawful access to guns. As for talking about the tragedy of the killing, that wasn't the subject of the post. The OP said, "We need gun control now...", which makes gun control the subject. All I'm saying is more laws are not needed. We need to understand the root cause that drives people to kill in large numbers regardless of the weapon used.
Hopeak - You've succinctly identified the problem but you didn't offer a solution. One without the other is of little benefit. So how do you control population growth?
Ole WV Coot
04-04-2009, 10:45 AM
The people who "shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm" shouldn't be allowed to reproduce and we can't stop either. Responsible gun owners always take the heat for the others. This is going to be viewed as a "gun" problem. Some people just hate guns, period. Can't change the way they think. I don't bother to try. Anyone who owns a gun will be treated as a nut job and we will have the same laws as England & Australia forced upon us. It will be federal, just remember this when you vote and vote often. This is a public service message brought to you by me.
Alpine_Sapper
04-04-2009, 11:22 AM
They will know who is ready to take up arms and able to shoot a weapon in the event my country is invaded!
They also know the guys who are able to resist should they decide to turn on their own populace for whatever reason. Not saying it's going to happen, but I do believe in looking at both sides of the coin.
Chris
04-04-2009, 12:14 PM
Remember last year was it when some guy tried to rob a bank and the guy behind him in line at the teller was carrying? A few seconds after demanding the cash there was a barrel against the back of his head.
World's shortest bank robbery.
Chris
04-04-2009, 12:15 PM
I don't really think it has anything to do with values. No matter what your values are, in a personal crisis, all that goes out the window. I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I think this is the modern version of all those wall street brokers jumping from windows and stuff back during the Depression. Then it was "OMG, what am I gonna do????" AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH splat. Now, after almost 100 years of being packed into tighter and tighter groups in the city, and being constantly assaulted with violence in one form or another, whether it's mass shootings in schools or the subway, or news footage of a war overseas, since Vietnam we've had a much more closeup look at what is really going on over there. (yeah, yeah, I know about all the BS with the media in 'nam, but it started a trend that now has camera's and reporters up everyone's arse). With all of this re-programming for input, how could the average joe that cracks not go homicidal instead of suicidal? I can see it now.
"Your fired."
"What? But you just hired x (insert immigrant's name here)"
"Doesn't matter, your still fired."
*walks away mumbling about getting even with furreners
As a society we create our own monsters. Being in a small rural village there were few enough people and enough personal interaction that typically everyone knew when someone had a screw loose and could intervene as necessary. In today's modern city lifestyle it's possible to go weeks (or even months) without ever speaking a word to anyone until you walk into a building strapped down with HE and large caliber rounds. Days later they'll find the blog where the guy was saying he was gonna do it for months, but, not only did nobody talk to the guy, but nobody read his blog either, ya know?
Statistically mass shootings are on the decline, they just get reported more as national news nowadays.
Alpine_Sapper
04-04-2009, 12:23 PM
Statistically mass shootings are on the decline, they just get reported more as national news nowadays.
That's good to hear. I can see it, too. The media catches everything just about now days, whereas years ago it may have remained local.
As an edit to the earlier post you quoted, after reading more articles on this, apparently the guy did this because he was upset about losing his job, and his inability to speak fluent english. Apparently someone made fun of him. I'm wondering if it was someone in that office and this was a revenge killing or if it just happened to be the first place he thought of.
Alpine_Sapper
04-04-2009, 01:41 PM
So has anyone else been following the Richard Poplawski incident?
3 dead PA cops, and at least 2 wounded. The media is stating that all of his friends are claiming 'He thought Obama was going to take away his guns". "He had an AK and several high powered handguns, a .357 among them."
Alpine_Sapper
04-04-2009, 01:43 PM
Here's the AP article;
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gxAP_ul1xtDvN-3H8XQ5EaI6_7cAD97BPGE00
Alpine_Sapper
04-04-2009, 03:07 PM
lol. Can I kill a thread or what?
crashdive123
04-04-2009, 03:12 PM
Was working today, so hadn't heard the story. I wonder why they felt in necessary to include that he thought guns would be banned in the story? I believe that there are many politicians that would like to ban guns - but I didn't go out and shoot anybody. Maybe it's because I got to relieve stress by killing bees today.
Pal334
04-04-2009, 05:43 PM
Because it was dangerous and someone inside had a "GUN" or because it was a Federal building and they had to get permission.
As stated in my post, it WAS NOT A FEDERAL Building!! It is a municipal Civic Center. No permission would be needed to intervene even it it was a Federal Building. Almost all have concurrent jurisdiction. And a dangerous person firing a gun is the reason that immediate intervention is needed by trained, armed police to at least attempt to stop, or mitigate further casualties. I grant you, there are several schools of thought on this, I and the agencies I have worked for advocated and practiced immediate intervention.
Oh, and I did it years ago. Years and years ago. If it HAD been a real weapon the statute of limitations would have expired years ago.
(looking over list of words that red flag the feds)
Did you notice I ADDED the words "last year" to your post? :innocent:
Ole WV Coot
04-04-2009, 10:20 PM
Was working today, so hadn't heard the story. I wonder why they felt in necessary to include that he thought guns would be banned in the story? I believe that there are many politicians that would like to ban guns - but I didn't go out and shoot anybody. Maybe it's because I got to relieve stress by killing bees today.
Another nut contributing to the gun ban lobby. I was almost as bad, didn't kill bees but I talked back to the wife. The Doc said I will be on solid food in a week or so.:blushing:
I've decided that MORE gun control is needed. It was a difficult decision to arrive at but with all the things I've read and with all the latest events more gun control is probably the answer. I guess I should have come to this conclusion a long time ago but I'm a bit hard headed and a bit of a traditionalist. But better gun control really makes sense. I think forearm grips would provide better gun control so I think I'll have to add them to my long guns.
Dutchess
04-09-2009, 07:19 PM
The only thing gun control does is make law abiding citizens weak and potential targets. Guns don't wake up and decide to shoot someone, the IDIOT behind the gun is responsible for that! That's who we need more control on. Maybe we should put controls on pencils because they make spelling mistakes, or maybe we can sanction who owns cars, cause they kill people also. Maybe we should include sanctions on forks cause they make people fat. An armed citizen is free...an unarmed citizen is a subject.
Sourdough
04-09-2009, 07:30 PM
The only thing gun control does is make law abiding citizens weak and potential targets. Guns don't wake up and decide to shoot someone, the IDIOT behind the gun is responsible for that! That's who we need more control on. Maybe we should put controls on pencils because they make spelling mistakes, or maybe we can sanction who owns cars, cause they kill people also. Maybe we should include sanctions on forks cause they make people fat. An armed citizen is free...an unarmed citizen is a subject.
Dutchess, Did you read any of this thread prior to posting......???? Maybe just the thread title......???
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crashdive123
04-09-2009, 07:32 PM
Dutchess, Did you read any of this thread prior to posting......???? Maybe just the thread title......???
.
Yeah, but you've got to admit ...... it was a pretty good rant.
That whole thing on banning forks has me pretty miffed. I mean, forks! Come on. How's a guy supposed to enjoy a meal? Forks don't make people fat. Fat makes people fat.
crashdive123
04-09-2009, 07:40 PM
Speaking of gun control...remember when this town made the news? http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n15_v46/ai_15729634/
tennecedar
04-09-2009, 07:41 PM
They can have my fork when they pry it from my cold dead hand!!!
I think a grassroots movement, the NFA, National Fork Association, might be in the making. The good news is, they aren't illegal to carry concealed.
tennecedar
04-09-2009, 07:54 PM
Start an association and they will be soon enough!
We were talking about this today at work. Turns out, one of the gun shops right around the corner had some kid attempt to rob them. Two guys ran in brandishing shotguns, and shoved a female to the floor, started yelling and stuff. The owner stepped out of the back with a .40 and put a round through the closest one's head. The other didn't stick around long enough for him to get a clean shot at him. In the same conversation, I found out one of the ranges I frequent had an attempted robbery with a very similar outcome. Two assailants, one dead on scene, the other fleeing for his life.
Two places you don't want to try to rob, gun shops and doughnut shops.
But yeah, since the gunman was using a "high powered rifle", I'd suggest stocking up on ammo if you can find it.
Reminds me of the guy who decided to hold up a bar - full of off duty cops (true story)
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