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shankfisher
03-07-2009, 12:31 PM
One of the essential elements of survival is the willingness to forego modern American proclivity for food snobbery. We live in a society of wealth and choice, especially when it comes to food. Food represents comfort, social class, and individuality. This is a problem.
In a real survival situation, food is simply fuel for your body. Nutrition is important, of course, but short of poison or disease, the short-term benefits of food are overwhelming. Without fat, protein, and carbs your body and brain will malfunction. My advice is to try to break down your food taboos. Start with eating more of the things you don't like, and work toward eating things you find repulsive. When the time comes, you will be mentally fit to eat and survive.
crashdive123
03-07-2009, 12:34 PM
Shankfisher - how about chowing down on the Introduction section and tell us a bit about yourself. Thanks.
SARKY
03-07-2009, 12:47 PM
The only food taboo I have is if it's poisonious! But is it really considered food then?
shankfisher
03-07-2009, 12:47 PM
Shankfisher - how about chowing down on the Introduction section and tell us a bit about yourself. Thanks.
Sure. Done.
Stairman
03-07-2009, 12:49 PM
Back during the depression they called armadillos Hoover Hogs.Keep some boulion cubes in your BOB to make possums,coon ect tastier.
shankfisher
03-07-2009, 01:11 PM
The only food taboo I have is if it's poisonious! But is it really considered food then?
Yeah, good question. Mushrooms and puffer fish can be eaten, and provide nutrition. But they will kill you if mishandled. That was my thought, anyway.
The only food taboo I have is if it's poisonious! But is it really considered food then?
I agree as to all foods. Except one. Uni (sushi). Ever try that? :gagged:
We discussed uni in at least one thread last year. Maybe, if I hadn't eaten in two weeks, but otherwise, NEVER!
Why try foods that I don't like? Are you suggesting I should eat worms tonight just because they might keep me alive one day and by eating them now I would somehow benefit? No thanks. I'll eat whatever my BB brain calls for and worry about the worms when I HAVE to eat them. But I do get what you're saying....I think.
MatthewnOK
03-07-2009, 02:37 PM
Why try foods that I don't like? Are you suggesting I should eat worms tonight just because they might keep me alive one day and by eating them now I would somehow benefit? No thanks. I'll eat whatever my BB brain calls for and worry about the worms when I HAVE to eat them. But I do get what you're saying....I think.
SHUT UP MAGGOT AND EAT YOU MAGGOTS!
:lol::lol::lol:
SHUT UP MAGGOT AND EAT YOU MAGGOTS!
:lol::lol::lol:
Uh oh. :gagged:
shankfisher
03-07-2009, 03:03 PM
Are you suggesting I should eat worms tonight just because they might keep me alive one day and by eating them now I would somehow benefit? No thanks.
I am suggesting that food desires, consumption, and preferences are an innate part of what makes people do what they do. Food taboos are a part of that. By controling food intake, you will sharpen your will to adapt and survive. In addition, if your system only ingests processed foods low in fiber, and you suddenly switch to a high-fiber, unprocessed diet, you could be in a world of hurt out in the woods. Change your eating habits and preferences and it will reward you on the trail physically and mentally. I suggest fasting for this reason as well. The tail wags the dog.
shankfisher
03-07-2009, 03:59 PM
Shankfisher,
Interesting blog...
Thanks! I have never blogged before, and have felt the urge for a while to write, but did not want to bother with a publisher, etc. So, I offer my musings to those that would read them. Hopefully it will not waste my reader's time.
A couple of years ago we started a thread about food...the subject comes back up once in a while, and for good reasons.
Here is what i had written then...
Well said. Well said. We do worship ourselves with our mouths. Excellent post! You said just what I wanted to say.
Did I just get called a maggot? Please refer to title above avatar. Warning Will Rogers!!!
Did I just get called a maggot? Please refer to title above avatar. Warning Will Rogers!!!
Actually, wasn't it "Danger, Will Robinson"? From, memory, the robot's general alarm was "Warning, warning, warning,..."; but when he was with Will, it was "Danger, Will Robinson". (This entire quote was stolen from http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/24640/ )
Uh, thanks there Kenneth. But I still got called a maggot.:excl:
Uh, thanks there Kenneth. But I still got called a maggot.:excl:
Richard, please see my immediate response to this mo****r at post 10, above. (mo****r = m o n i k e r)
Richard, please see my immediate response to this mo****r at post 10, above.
Question. Just why does the system bleep out the word m o n i k e r?
crashdive123
03-07-2009, 05:34 PM
You know - I thought it might be a quote from a movie and he was just comparing you to DeNiro or Pacino. I googled the phrase - no such luck. MatthewnOK, you're on your own.
crashdive123
03-07-2009, 05:35 PM
Question. Just why does the system bleep out the word m o n i k e r?
Don't know - does the same thing when you talk about the sneakers.
Are you posting to me? Are YOU posting to me? Are you posting to ME? Well, I'm the only one here........ De Niro....cool.
Tony uk
03-07-2009, 08:39 PM
Taste is just a sensation, its all in the head. Just forget about it, chew and swallow. Always worked for me :D Although i havent had any of the major food taboos.
Although i havent had any of the major food taboos.
Clearly, you hagis eating Scotsman, you.
Tony uk
03-07-2009, 11:12 PM
Clearly, you hagis eating Scotsman, you.
How did i know that Haggis was going to come up the second i posted here :lol:
Haggis is not a taboo, its a awsome, filling, wholesome, tastey and nice alround food, which everyone should try :D
crashdive123
03-07-2009, 11:14 PM
Tony - you will notice that I stayed away from your hagis habbit.
Chris
03-07-2009, 11:49 PM
Don't know - does the same thing when you talk about the sneakers.
I can probably remove that. At one point this forum had a problem with chinese people rapid fire spamming it for N i k e shoes.
Nativedude
03-08-2009, 01:15 AM
Food is fuel and in my opinion there are way too many choices out there.
Our daily consumptions consists of:
Breakfast
1.) Oatmeal or Cheerios with raisins, banana, honey and milk
2.) Homemade whole grain wheat toast w/cinn. & organic
sugar sprinkled on top.
Lunch
1.) A dandelion, pine nut, cattail salad with homemade
croutons, boiled egg and olive oil & vinegar dressing
2.) Leftovers from the night before
Dinner
1.) A bowl of stew (rice, beans, carrots, potatoes, and either
caribou or moose or elk or venison meat) in it.
2.) Sourdough biscuits
3.) Whatever fruit we have for dessert.
Not a lot of variances except when we travel.
nell67
03-08-2009, 07:41 AM
How did i know that Haggis was going to come up the second i posted here :lol:
Haggis is not a taboo, its a awsome, filling, wholesome, tastey and nice alround food, which everyone should try :D
Sorry Tony,I am not eating anything that looks like it was pre-chewed by the sheep and left in it's stomach,then cooked for my dining pleasure,looks like pre-vomit to me, BLEH!
Tony uk
03-08-2009, 08:33 AM
Sorry Tony,I am not eating anything that looks like it was pre-chewed by the sheep and left in it's stomach,then cooked for my dining pleasure,looks like pre-vomit to me, BLEH!
Well Nell, It is cooked in a sheeps stomache :D
But all it is is minced sheep organs and spices. Its like spicy mince if you like the sound of that you'll like haggis. Im haveing some tonight come to think of it :scooter:
EDDITED TO ADD;-
From Wikipedia.
There are many recipes, most of which have in common the following ingredients: sheep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep)'s 'pluck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offal)' (heart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart), liver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver) and lungs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lung)), minced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minced) with onion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion), oatmeal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oatmeal), suet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suet), spices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice), and salt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_salt), mixed with stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_(food)), and traditionally boiled (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling) in the animal's stomach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stomach) for approximately three hours
nell67
03-08-2009, 08:46 AM
Sorry again Tony,but you will never convince me that what is in that sheeps stomach is not the remnants of it's last meal with a few spices tossed in,yuk.
Dennis K.
03-09-2009, 11:46 AM
So I married an Axe-Murderer[/I]"]
All Scottish food was based on a dare
The Scots make a fine beverage, but the food....
grundle
03-09-2009, 11:54 AM
Sorry again Tony,but you will never convince me that what is in that sheeps stomach is not the remnants of it's last meal with a few spices tossed in,yuk.
From the description given, it appears to me that the sheeps internal organs are boiled inside the stomach. The closest approximation I can think of are deep fried gizzards around here, or maybe the gizzard/stuffing in a turkey.
I hope you are not thinking that they are taking a sheep stomach full of partially digested grass and boiling it up to eat. That does sound pretty gross.
I rather think they clean out the stomach, and replace the contents with heart, liver, kidneys, and spices.
Alpine_Sapper
03-09-2009, 11:54 AM
. Food represents comfort, social class, and individuality. This is a problem.
Maybe by your definition. It's not for me. *shrug*
Alpine_Sapper
03-09-2009, 11:58 AM
. By controling food intake, you will sharpen your will to adapt and survive. In addition, if your system only ingests processed foods low in fiber, and you suddenly switch to a high-fiber, unprocessed diet, you could be in a world of hurt out in the woods. Change your eating habits and preferences and it will reward you on the trail physically and mentally. I suggest fasting for this reason as well. The tail wags the dog.
Well, yeah, if you eat processed foods low in fiber and all the other crap all the time you're going to be in for a world of hurt NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE. Sure, switching to a high-fiber diet will definitely affect you short term in a negative sense, but, I'm not forgoing the sinful pleasures of the modern world to go eat bugs in the woods because I could have an easier time *IF* I'm ever in a situation where I have to live off of grubs. If you change to a healthier diet and consume the bad stuff in moderation, then switching to a subsistence survival based diet will not be as rough on you as it will on the guy that lives off of McDonalds. But there are limits.
nell67
03-09-2009, 02:10 PM
From the description given, it appears to me that the sheeps internal organs are boiled inside the stomach. The closest approximation I can think of are deep fried gizzards around here, or maybe the gizzard/stuffing in a turkey.
I hope you are not thinking that they are taking a sheep stomach full of partially digested grass and boiling it up to eat. That does sound pretty gross.
I rather think they clean out the stomach, and replace the contents with heart, liver, kidneys, and spices.
I know that,LMAO! I am yanking Tony's chain ,Kind of an ongoing thing with the Haggis ,but still I will never eat anything that looks like THAT!!!!!:lol:
Chris
03-09-2009, 05:51 PM
I don't like mushrooms, I won't eat mushrooms. Even if I were starving I wouldn't spend time foraging for mushrooms.
Why? They're not exactly calorie dense, I'd rather spend time foraging for things that have a goodly amount of calories, plus I wouldn't have a clue which ones were safe to eat.
shankfisher
03-10-2009, 11:48 AM
I'm not forgoing the sinful pleasures of the modern world to go eat bugs in the woods because I could have an easier time *IF* I'm ever in a situation where I have to live off of grubs.
You may be misunderstanding me. What I am saying is that food and what we eat is a powerful force -- perhaps so powerful we never fully consider it -- and if you master that, you have mastered many other smaller things in your life. The will to survive is strongest in those capable of willfully suppressing those urges which are counter to survival. Food taboos are the most powerful of those urges. Just throwing something out there for people to consider; take it or leave it. No problem.
Stairman
03-10-2009, 03:05 PM
Keep thinking and posting Shank.Comedy aside without posters the forum doesnt exist.Some of my threads have fizzled,but new subjects are always welcome.
LudwigVan
03-15-2009, 08:50 PM
I agree as to all foods. Except one. Uni (sushi). Ever try that? :gagged:
We discussed uni in at least one thread last year. Maybe, if I hadn't eaten in two weeks, but otherwise, NEVER!
I sampled some sushi at costco a month or so ago and liked it just fine...
I'm ready to take on the world!
crashdive123
03-15-2009, 08:58 PM
I sampled some sushi at costco a month or so ago and liked it just fine...
I'm ready to take on the world!
Not all sushi is created equal. From Sushifaq.com
While colloquially referred to as the roe (eggs), uni is actually the animal's gonads (which produce the milt or roe).
Eeeeeeeeeeew. One more reason I don't eat sushi.
Revelation1412
03-18-2009, 04:38 PM
I think that we are missing the bigger picture here.
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Well, I guess I'm gonna have to change my mind on all this sushi stuff. Yeah. I'm sure of it. I like sushi. In fact, I LOVE sushi. I just found out about body sushi. Love that sushi!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/dining/18nake.html?ref=dining
Yeah, I'd eat that too. :tongue_smilie: :innocent:
BTW - Regular Sushi is incredibly good, too. It's just that Uni crap that makes me sick.
Soooo many jokes. So little time.
Rick I do not think it was the sushi that you liked. I think you just wanted to lick the platter. :drool:
Back to the topic though, there are lots and lots of food that I will not eat, but if I was starving they would probably be allot more appetizing.
I will say one thing. Back when I was in college and went without food for four days and I was still not hungry enough to eat Haggis. I just do not do internal organs, no way.
crashdive123
03-19-2009, 12:08 PM
What? No liver and onions?
What? No liver and onions?
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. With bacon. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! :tongue_smilie:
What? No liver and onions?
Do you have any idea what the liver does? Anything that is toxic (poisonous) that can not be metabolized or excreted is stored in the liver. When you eat the liver it is like eating a miniature toxic waste dump. No Thanks.
crashdive123
03-19-2009, 04:19 PM
Do you have any idea what the liver does? Anything that is toxic (poisonous) that can not be metabolized or excreted is stored in the liver. When you eat the liver it is like eating a miniature toxic waste dump. No Thanks.
That's true, but with some fava beans and a nice chianti....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVlkZVAw8Gc
That's true, but with some fava beans and a nice chianti....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVlkZVAw8Gc
The "Lector Diet?"
Faiaoga
12-30-2012, 07:51 AM
Eeeeeeeeeeew. One more reason I don't eat sushi.
I know I am commenting on an older thread, but I hope that Rick remembers his time on Swains Island (unless that time was a fantasy). If you are there at the proper time of year, you can collect "palolo" which are the egg sacs and sperm sacs of a seaworm that lives in the coral. On certain nights, the palolo worm release the sacs to the surface. People then collect tbe palolo and eat it raw or baked; it is delicious and a form of Polynesian caviar.
Rick should also remember collecting and eating "tuitui", the gonads of certain species of sea urchins. Samoan villagers do not have expensive sushi bars or females as sushi platters, but they do make good use of the local environment.
Faiaoga:sleep: former Peace Corps volunteer in Samoa
wildgarlic
01-06-2013, 02:44 PM
I would try Haggis. I am going to Bermuda in March and someone told me last time there was a grocery store that has it. I love the brit breakfasts also, the great sausage, bacon and I guess the taboo has been broken: black puding and white pudding. I love those and when someone tolkd me what they were: I liked them already, so no taboo,.
Blade
01-07-2013, 03:12 PM
I would try Haggis. I am going to Bermuda in March and someone told me last time there was a grocery store that has it. I love the brit breakfasts also, the great sausage, bacon and I guess the taboo has been broken: black puding and white pudding. I love those and when someone tolkd me what they were: I liked them already, so no taboo,.
Haggis sounds disgusting but to each their own......more steak for me!
Dolphin
01-07-2013, 03:14 PM
You're right, that is what I am working on now and another reason why I became a vegetarian.
Wildthang
01-08-2013, 03:50 PM
Well, I guess I'm gonna have to change my mind on all this sushi stuff. Yeah. I'm sure of it. I like sushi. In fact, I LOVE sushi. I just found out about body sushi. Love that sushi!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/dining/18nake.html?ref=dining
Rick that gave me an idea to try with the girls, a double sushi platter..............boooooyah!
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