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tsitenha
12-26-2008, 04:23 PM
Some more info on this firearm:

www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrake/m6.htm

crashdive123
12-26-2008, 04:33 PM
Looks like a broken link. Was this the one? http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrake/m6.html

klkak
12-26-2008, 04:35 PM
Some more info on this firearm:

www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrake/m6.htm

I had modified my M-6 long before he even bought his. Some where on here there are some pictures of mine.

p.s. sorry GW. didn't mean to turn you green with envy:)

Leighman
12-26-2008, 04:55 PM
[QUOTE=klkak;90160]I have this really cool little gun that nobody seems to like but be.....it's .22 hornet over .410. It weights in at about 4 lbs. It's made of all stainless steel. To bad they don't make them any more.:D/QUOTE]

Great little rifle!
I had one years ago...I think I paid around $225 for it NIB (unfortunately, I traded it off).

I think mine was parkerized (and in .22 LR over .410 only, no .22 Hornet at the time) and IIRC, it was before Springfield Armory introduced a stainless steel version.

They eventually fixed my only complaint by placing a guard around the trigger (or whatever typle of "trigger bar" they originally employed much like the GI issue version).

The rimfire's sights were "adequate" and not precise but they seemed very sturdy. Length of pull was short, of course it was designed as a "survival" gun.

The extra ammo storage area in the buttstock was a plus.

All-in-all, I'm sorry to see that it was discontinued. :(

tsitenha
12-26-2008, 06:44 PM
Yep thats the one, not very good at computers and info,

tsitenha
12-26-2008, 06:48 PM
I would think the Savage 24-C in .22lr/20ga would be just the ticket, if I could find one that is.

minuteman
12-26-2008, 09:36 PM
Ah, that would be the M6 Scout Rifle. I almost bought one of these because I do believe they are a very versatile survival weapon. You can take both large and small game. However, the only draw back with this weapon is if or when you find yourself in a self defense situation, you will probably be wishing you had a semiautomatic rifle. For this reason, I went with the Ruger 1022.

chiggersngrits
12-26-2008, 09:55 PM
Remington has a line of shotgun/rifle combos out. It's their model SPR94 series. They come in 410/.22, 410/.22wmr and 12/.223rem. The 410 models weigh 7.5 pounds, 24 in. barrel and msrp of $390. The 12gauge weights 8 pounds and an msrp of $650.

Gray Wolf
12-27-2008, 01:03 AM
Aw shucks. Now you're just teasing Gray Wolf.

Yep, Kev couldn't just leave it @ an M6 Survival rifle, noooo he had to, and let me quote;

I have this really cool little gun that nobody seems to like but be.....it's .22 hornet over .410. It weights in at about 4 lbs. It's made of all stainless steel.To bad they don't make them any more.
Had to mention the one he has is a .22 Hornet, and the all stainless steel one. JUST LIKE the Model I HAD!
Then ends with, "To bad they don't make them any more :D". AND Tops THAT with a Smiley face! I even heard the Na Na NaNa Na...... But if friends can't pick on each other, who can they pick on...
Just so everyone knows, IMHO, it's the best trap line gun out there, and I'm glad that my friend has one.

Gray Wolf
12-27-2008, 01:17 AM
Way too expensive for me, thanks.:cool:

Sarge, the street price for the Mark ll BTVS is around $350, the Mark ll BV street price is around $250. That's why they won the Awards for Editor's Choice (it's accuracy-best .22 tested, and value for the money) Hence - Award for Best Buy .22 for 2008.

sgtdraino
12-27-2008, 02:04 AM
Had to mention the one he has is a [B].22 Hornet

I'm not too familiar with the .22 Hornet round. I seem to recall that it's more powerful than .22lr, but not as powerful as .22wmr?

How's the price-per-round compair? .22lr is super cheap, .22wmr is kinda expensive. What about .22 Hornet?

How about availability? Is it an easy round to find?

Can a .22 Hornet carbine also fire .22lr?

What is the attraction of .22 Hornet?

klkak
12-27-2008, 02:13 AM
I'm not too familiar with the .22 Hornet round. I seem to recall that it's more powerful than .22lr, but not as powerful as .22wmr?

How's the price-per-round compair? .22lr is super cheap, .22wmr is kinda expensive. What about .22 Hornet?

How about availability? Is it an easy round to find?

Can a .22 Hornet carbine also fire .22lr?

What is the attraction of .22 Hornet?

The .22lr kicks out a 40 gr. bullet at about 1200 fps.

The .22 wmr kicks it's 40 gr. bullet out at about 2000 fps.

The .22 Hornet kick's out a 45 gr. bullet at about 2600 fps. Hornady loads them to 3100 fps with a 35 gr. v-max bullet. Winchester also has a hi-v load.

Remington 45 gr. hollow point's are about $45.00 per 50 rd. box here in Alaska. But.......They are reloadable. :D I've even loaded them with black powder. :D

Mike00006
12-28-2008, 02:52 AM
My favorite survival gun would probably be a crosman 1377c air pistol. Its light, self sufficient, and it can take quite a beating. Plus you can modify it to be more accurate and add some type of sighting system. Another added bonus is that the ammunition for it is cheap, light (500 .177 pellets is about 10 ounces) and takes up very little space.

I would personally add a steel breech to it for stability, and put a .22 caliber barrel on it for added energy retention. But stay away from power modifications because it could cause the pin in the striking hammer to snap off.

Its not a rifle, but it has enough accuracy to compete with .22LRs at up to 40 yards. Also it is very quiet.

I actually just purchased a .22 Magnum yesterday, a Marlin 925M. Its a very nice peice and it is very capable of shooting 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards. I was shivering so much today I simply couldn't group at all. Winter is hitting us pretty good, and acting very weird at that. It was 45- 50 at 2 pm and about 25 at 4pm.

In response to Sgtdraino's post (other than what klkak already covered), a rifle chambered for a .22 hornet round cannot fire a .22 long rifle or any other rimfire cartridge for that matter. It has a necked down cartridge, kind of like the 17HMR.

The .22 hornet round is a bit hard to find around here, even cabelas does not carry them in this area. I would be interested in buying a .22 hornet though, the Ruger 77/22s are very nice.

My experience with the cartridge is very limited, I have seen a rifle chambered for .22 hornet, I have seen a .22 hornet cartridge, but only 1 person I know actually has one.... and he is a bit of a BS'er. I would imagine that they are more accurate than a .22 magnum, but less accurate than a .223. If it were such a good round you would see more of them.

flandersander
12-28-2008, 03:14 AM
For a survival rifle, I would stay away from air rifles. Yes it can shoot squirrels and rabbits, but try to kill a deer at 100 yards with a bb gun. Not gonna happen. A .22lr would have trouble, but a .243 would be good. Cheap ammo and large animal capabilities. I would take the .22lr because of its versitility. BUT, to each his own.

Sarge47
12-28-2008, 03:30 AM
As previously mentioned elsewhere in this forum, before the AR-7 came along, there was the AR-5; it was issued to the SAC (Strategic Air Command) as a Survival rifle. It was bolt-action, as opposed to semi-auto, and was calibered to the .22 Hornet.:cool:

Mike00006
12-28-2008, 03:54 AM
I agree with you completely. My choice would easily go to a .22 long rifle or .22 magnum bolt action if it was available at the time and I did not have any type of weight limit for my kit. But that doesn't mean it is my favorite.

To take a .22 long rifle and try and bag a deer at 100 yards with it is really stretching it, but with a .22 mag it would be very possible. Hollowpoints or a homemade partition would be nice if you have the accuracy.


A few years ago, I saw a survival rifle somewhere; It would shoot both .22 LR and .410. The other option was .243 or 22 hornet (cant remember which) with the 410. Anyone know who made it? I think I might buy one if I can find it. There was also a handy ammo storage compartment in the stock, might I add.

crashdive123
12-28-2008, 08:45 AM
Mike00006 - check out post 249 of this thread. M6 Scout Rifle - a bit togher to find nowadays (at least at the price most want to pay).

Mike00006
12-29-2008, 01:23 AM
I ruled that out because they do not make them anymore. Maybe its just my memory but I believe that it was up for sale in a magazine , maybe a Penna. game comission handbook or somewhere on the net. But is there any chance that a copy of that rifle was made by another company?

sgtdraino
12-29-2008, 02:30 AM
I ruled that out because they do not make them anymore. Maybe its just my memory but I believe that it was up for sale in a magazine , maybe a Penna. game comission handbook or somewhere on the net. But is there any chance that a copy of that rifle was made by another company?

Maybe you're thinking of the Savage 24?

klkak
12-29-2008, 06:13 AM
In response to Sgtdraino's post (other than what klkak already covered), a rifle chambered for a .22 hornet round cannot fire a .22 long rifle or any other rimfire cartridge for that matter. It has a necked down cartridge, kind of like the 17HMR.

The .22 hornet round is a bit hard to find around here, even cabelas does not carry them in this area. I would be interested in buying a .22 hornet though, the Ruger 77/22s are very nice.

My experience with the cartridge is very limited, I have seen a rifle chambered for .22 hornet, I have seen a .22 hornet cartridge, but only 1 person I know actually has one.... and he is a bit of a BS'er. I would imagine that they are more accurate than a .22 magnum, but less accurate than a .223. If it were such a good round you would see more of them.

I have two 22 hornet rifles. My Ruger 77/22 is every bit as accurate as a similarly set up .223. The .223 has the advantage of higher velocity, there for longer range. You don't see allot of them because to many people are obsessed by high velocity. Not because it's not as good a round as the .223.

The next time I get to go to the range I'll fire a couple of groups from both the 77/22 hornet and the M-6 scout .22 hornet and post pictures of the targets.

Stairman
12-29-2008, 07:20 AM
After reading the good reveiws here for the Ruger 10/22,I have decided to buy one.I dont currently have a 22 and want a semi-auto that doesnt hang up.The camo combo with 25 round clip is the one for me.Probably be my next purchase real soon for the small game season fixin to open up.My old Marlin was not dependable and might as well have been a bolt action.I have a T/C encore in 7mag and thought of getting a 22 barrel for it but it would still be a single shot which I dont mind for deer and hogs but need a quick shooter for those running squirrels.And no doubt a cheap round and compact for any survival situations that might arise.

crashdive123
12-29-2008, 08:03 AM
Stairman - Shooters on University Blvd. frequently has sales and offers the Ruger 10/22 at a pretty good price. Of course there is alway Wal Mart.

primeelite
12-29-2008, 10:55 AM
I have a tendency to like the magnum over the long rifle just because if I find a little larger game such as a deer I want to be able to take it down without having to track it for miles and get far off course or lost.

Sarge47
12-29-2008, 12:43 PM
Stairman - Shooters on University Blvd. frequently has sales and offers the Ruger 10/22 at a pretty good price. Of course there is alway Wal Mart.
Most Wal-Marts, including ours, has quit selling fire-arms; leaving us to the mercy of the higher-priced store.:mad:

nell67
12-29-2008, 12:47 PM
Yep,ours stopped selling them several years ago:(

crashdive123
12-29-2008, 12:48 PM
Most Wal-Marts, including ours, has quit selling fire-arms; leaving us to the mercy of the higher-priced store.:mad:

They still sell em here in Hooterville....I mean Jacksonville.;)

primeelite
12-30-2008, 12:13 AM
I have been to a few in different cities and they didn't have any firearms anymore just bows.

Beans
12-30-2008, 01:24 AM
Our Wall mart sell firearms. As for a survival gun I have a couple of adapters that allow the .22 to fired in a larger caliber gun. I have had the adopters so long I don't rmemeber where I got them.

The adapter are made to look and function like the host shell but the hole in the rear had been machined to accept a .22 shell.

#1 is for a .22 hornet.
#2 is for a ,22-250
#3 is for a .223

Once you fire the Combo shell yo remove the host casing, then push out the fired .22 shell with a nail, stick, whatever.

The machined hole for the .22 is offset so that the centerfire firing pin will strike the rim of the .22 rimfire.

They are reasonably accurate out to 25 yards.

Favorite??

Savage model 24 O/U .22 over a 20 guage
or
Remington Nylon 66 .22 almost indestructable

An O/U .223 over a 20 guage with one of the .22 adaptor cartridges. I could shoot all the .22 from CB caps to HV HPs, all the .223's and 20 guage shot and slugs. That would cover about anything in the lower 48

tipacanoe
12-30-2008, 09:35 AM
Mike00006, here is a link that might hook you up with the M6 Scout rifle
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/M69201.asp

pgvoutdoors
12-30-2008, 11:11 AM
I like the Savage 24 O/U (22LR/20ga). This combo makes a well rounded hunting system.

Link: http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/1

outbac1
12-30-2008, 07:32 PM
If it's for survival it's small game time. A 22lr is more than adequate for the job. Any reliable rifle will do the job. I would prefer a bolt action over a semi as they can be more tolerant of dirt and cold. Shorter and lighter is easier to carry. A 22lr tends to reach max velocity in about 16" - 18" so a long barrel is not an advantage. It is easy to carry 100 rds which will get a lot of game.

My 2nd choice would be a shotgun in 20,16 or 12ga. Ammunition is heavier and bulkier but it can be so versitile. Slugs for big game or life threats, 7 1/2 for birds and lots inbetween. A single shot would be sufficient but I have a Win 1300 Turkey with an 18" barrel that weighs 6lbs empty. Many rifles weigh more than that.

Mike00006
12-30-2008, 08:08 PM
I think that that might have been what I was looking at awhile back, if not then it was probably that springfield M6 in the earlier post.

In response to the earlier threads about wal-mart selling rifles:

A few days ago I spend some money on a Marlin 925 in .22 magnum. There were a few diferrent rifles there for less than 300 dollars. One was a Ruger 10/22, the other was a marlin 917 varmint (which is was I was originally going to get... its a .17HMR). The 10/22 was only $230 or so. I was fighting myself not to buy the 10/22 but chose the marlin on account that I already have a match 10/22 rifle.

A 10/22 would make a good survival rifle if you thought about it. They do not jam up with quality ammo, can go thousands of shots without a cleaning (do at your own risk), and are pretty compact the way it is (my rifle has a 16 1/2 inch barrel). Plus the triggers on the carbine 10/22s are very nice once you get used to them.

Outbac1: I also have a winny 1300, and they are very nice guns. Normally I take it when I go camping and load it with #1 shot in a 3 inch cartridge. The pellets are plated with steel or nickel so they are non-toxic. It packs a kick with the shells but it will knock anything out of the air if its in the general direction.

Can you fire slugs out of yours? Im afraid to fire them out of mine due to the pressures created.

klkak
12-30-2008, 08:41 PM
As previously mentioned elsewhere in this forum, before the AR-7 came along, there was the AR-5; it was issued to the SAC (Strategic Air Command) as a Survival rifle. It was bolt-action, as opposed to semi-auto, and was calibered to the .22 Hornet.:cool:

The AR-5 (MA-1 aircrew survival rifle) Was a 4 shot bolt action take down rifle made by H&R. There were very few of them made. They were designed like the AR-7 in that the taken down rifle was stowed in the buttstock. It this configuration it would float like the AR-7.

I have handled the MA-1 and was not that impressed with it. Then again I'm not very impressed with the AR-7.

flandersander
12-30-2008, 11:04 PM
Expecting a no, but can my ruger 10/22 lr carbine shoot .22 magnum loads? Is there any way to modify it (new barrel etc) so that it can?

Stairman
12-31-2008, 12:45 AM
I have a tendency to like the magnum over the long rifle just because if I find a little larger game such as a deer I want to be able to take it down without having to track it for miles and get far off course or lost.

I wouldnt be planning on making any body shots on deer with a 22lr.In a pinch I would shoot em in the eye for a quick kill.

SARKY
12-31-2008, 12:49 AM
No the 10-22 can't shoot .22magnums. The magnum round is both longe and has a larger diameter. That is because the .22lr uses a heeled or stepped bullet where as the .22 magnum uses a bullet the same diameter as the .223. In fact some of the new ammo for the .22 mag are loaded with a jacketed V-max type bullet. You could find yourself a 10-22M (and no I'm not giving mine up!)

Stairman
12-31-2008, 12:51 AM
Stairman - Shooters on University Blvd. frequently has sales and offers the Ruger 10/22 at a pretty good price. Of course there is alway Wal Mart.

I used to go there when it was Southside gun.Ill check their price and compare with Gander,Dicks ect.I live in Middleburg area and dont get to town too often but will go whoever has it at the best price.Thanks!

SARKY
12-31-2008, 12:53 AM
Mike00006,
For the money you spent on your new (Does it still have that new gun smell?) rifle, you could have purchased a .17 barrel for your 10-22 and doubled the capability of your 10-22.

Stairman
12-31-2008, 12:58 AM
I didnt realize they sold interchangable barrels[10/22]

Mike00006
12-31-2008, 01:38 AM
Mike00006,
For the money you spent on your new (Does it still have that new gun smell?) rifle, you could have purchased a .17 barrel for your 10-22 and doubled the capability of your 10-22.

Yeah, I thought about that but I always wanted the .22 mag Marlin 925... ever since I was 14. So I bought it, and it hasnt let me down. The trigger is very nice on this gun, and it is a tackdriver. I can keep it under 1 moa at 100 yards if its not very windy.

The VMax bullets from Hornady work the best out of it.

No, it doesnt still smell like a new gun, because I painted it the day I bought it. Now it smells like varmint death.... Cant wait to take it out for a spin at the local critters. Small game came in last week.

SARKY
12-31-2008, 01:55 AM
Have you shot any of the .17 rimfires?

SARKY
12-31-2008, 02:04 AM
I didnt realize they sold interchangable barrels[10/22]
Go to www.volquartsen.com and check out all the goodies available. The one thing I reccomend above all else is their match trigger group. It makes a world of difference in the trigger pull. Both of my 10-22s amd my 10-22M have them installed.

sgtdraino
12-31-2008, 08:55 AM
Expecting a no, but can my ruger 10/22 lr carbine shoot .22 magnum loads? Is there any way to modify it (new barrel etc) so that it can?


No the 10-22 can't shoot .22magnums. <snip> You could find yourself a 10-22M (and no I'm not giving mine up!)

flandersander, I suggest you check out gunbroker.com for 10/22 Magnums. Ruger does not make them anymore, but used ones show up on there pretty regularly.

Sourdough
12-31-2008, 09:03 AM
Or buy the Remington 597 .22 Magnum for 1/3 the price. My guess is Ruger will make another run of 10/22 Magnums.

flandersander
12-31-2008, 06:57 PM
Is there anything I can buy that will allow my gun to shoot 22 magnums? Like a different barrel and clip or something?

sgtdraino
12-31-2008, 08:20 PM
Is there anything I can buy that will allow my gun to shoot 22 magnums? Like a different barrel and clip or something?

Sorry, I really don't think so. The pressures in the .22 Magnum cartridge are significantly greater than .22lr. A standard 10/22 is just not built to take that.

If it's any consolation, the concensus on this forum is that the standard 10/22 is a superior survival rifle to the 10/22 Magnum.

flandersander
12-31-2008, 08:38 PM
Really? So like the action couldn't take it? Yeah the pressures are too great but if I had a 22 magnum barrel and a clip suitable for the longer loads wouldn't it work? OR no the action would go. I hate to ask the same question twice, but a few specifics on what would happen would make me feel better. lol.

fury_m
12-31-2008, 08:46 PM
If I had my choice and I do own one......I would like my reliable Winchester Model 94 30-30. Kicks butt in the brush and has never let me down

crashdive123
12-31-2008, 08:48 PM
Hey Fury M, how about shooting on over to the introduction section and tell us a bit about yourself. Thanks.

flandersander
12-31-2008, 08:53 PM
Hey Fury M, how about shooting on over to the introduction section and tell us a bit about yourself. Thanks.

Wow man, if I had a nickel for every time you came up with a sweet way of telling people to introduce themselves, i would have grain silos full of nickels.

fury_m
12-31-2008, 08:54 PM
Have now done that....am I cool yet :)

crashdive123
12-31-2008, 09:03 PM
You've been good ever since you registered. I just personally like somebody that is going to exchange ideas with me to intro themselves so I have a base of understanding or a starting point. Not meant to offend.

fury_m
12-31-2008, 09:10 PM
I rarely take offense at anything....and hadn't even noticed that forum til you mentioned it. I'm sure we will have plent of entertaining information passed through

SARKY
12-31-2008, 11:53 PM
Sorry, I really don't think so. The pressures in the .22 Magnum cartridge are significantly greater than .22lr. A standard 10/22 is just not built to take that.

If it's any consolation, the concensus on this forum is that the standard 10/22 is a superior survival rifle to the 10/22 Magnum.

Actually it was a 10-22 that was seriously modified that led to the introduction of the 10-22M. If I remember correctly the bolt had to be shortened in order to get enough rearward movement to chamber the next round. Extra springs were added so the bolt wouldn't beat the reciever to death. A weight was added forward of the reciever and attached to the bolt to give the bolt more mass. the barrel was either rechambered or a .22mag barrel from a Marlin was used, can't remember which. Lastly the reciever was radically cut open to make it all work. It really was a Frankenstien monster. The 10-22m is considerably heavier than the 10-22, at least it feels that way, so i can't wait to get a carbonfiber barrel for it.

welderguy
01-01-2009, 12:22 AM
That would be my model 94 30/30. best gun I own IMHO of course. but im partial and bias LOL.

Sarge47
01-01-2009, 12:35 AM
Then there was the Ruger 4/44 that held 4 .44 Magnum rounds. It was built along the same lines as the 10/22, but handles the .44 Mag.. The idea was, I believe, to have a rifle that used the same ammo as the handgun you might carry.:cool:

klkak
01-01-2009, 03:57 AM
Then there was the Ruger 4/44 that held 4 .44 Magnum rounds. It was built along the same lines as the 10/22, but handles the .44 Mag.. The idea was, I believe, to have a rifle that used the same ammo as the handgun you might carry.:cool:

That would be the Ruger M44 Deerfield carbine .44 magnum. It has Rugers detachable rotary magazine. It is an updated version of the Deerstalker carbine introduced in 1959 or 1960 which had a tubular magazine.

I own two .44 magnum lever action carbines. One is a model 92 Winchester the other is a model 94 winchester. Two very sweet guns!:D

Sourdough
01-01-2009, 09:15 AM
That would be the Ruger M44 Deerfield carbine .44 magnum. It has Rugers detachable rotary magazine. It is an updated version of the Deerstalker carbine introduced in 1959 or 1960 which had a tubular magazine.

Originally called the Ruger Deerstalker, till sued by Ithaca, who claimed the name was too close too the name for it's Model 37 Deer Slayer. Bill Ruger was livid.

klkak
01-05-2009, 03:26 AM
Originally called the Ruger Deerstalker, till sued by Ithaca, who claimed the name was too close too the name for it's Model 37 Deer Slayer. Bill Ruger was livid.

I like Ruger firearms. I wish they'd get into traditional style lever actions like the model 92 Winchester to go with there Blackhawks and Bisely's.

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