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klkak
11-02-2008, 02:40 AM
If it were offered to you right now. Would you leave it all behind and move totally off grid.

No running water
No electricity
No indoor toilet
No gas appliances
No INTERNET
No cell phones
No washer and drier

You would have to give up every modern convenience. Totally provide everything you and your family would need to live and thrive by hand.

You don't need to leave a comment just answer the poll truthfully. Yes or No!

crashdive123
11-02-2008, 07:28 AM
I wouldn't. As I've said before, I enjoy the lifestyle that I'm living right now - if I didn't, I would change it. I applaud those that want to live off grid and do so. They are living the lifestyle they want. I ask those that would answer yes to the poll --- would you really? Think about it. That lifestyle is available to you right now, this very instant. It doesn't take money or fame, only the desire and committment. If that is truely how you would like to live, then do it. As I said, I applaud those that live the life the choose - whether it's off grid, in a remote location, or in a crowded city. It's their life. It's their choice.

Rick
11-02-2008, 09:30 AM
Uh, no. But thanks for asking.

Sourdough
11-02-2008, 10:27 AM
Sorry, I had to vote yes, as that is the truth. What is also true is I would do it someplace warmer, than here. Odd you stsrted that pole, because yesterday as I was chopping ice to get to water, then dipping ice cold water, then packing (6) five Gal. water jugs up and down the mountain, I was getting sure that this is the last winter for hauling ice water.

wareagle69
11-02-2008, 10:43 AM
my answer would be yes also. i am almost there now althought i do have electricity my goal is to be solar in 5 years but that is probably away from your poll, it is a very hard life to do as you suggest, you must like your own company or really like your partner as well, i was just thinking of this topic this morning while splitting wood, how do people do it year after year i haul my timber by hand cut down the tree buck it into 8 ft sections and throw it on my shoulder to come back anywhere from200ft to a mile away in the winter i pull pull it on a homemade sled, most people like to think they can do it, my diffuculty is breaking away from the mortgage to pay for my place i could do w/o the television or phone but not the wife she is very close to her family the internet would be a welcome diversion and i have an outhouse ready for use here, but ifn i could i would

ADEPT
11-02-2008, 11:41 AM
If free from all debts and future taxes. yup, I would love the chance. As long as I could totally be free, but I don't think that's being realistic. I don't think this is truly possible without first having the finical means to buy one's freedom.

FVR
11-02-2008, 03:54 PM
Oh he llllll........no.

First off, I have a wife and kids. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Now, after the kids are out of the house, just maybe. I almost had my wife talked into living in a tipi back in the late 90's. This was way before this survival craze nowdays. Almost had her...............believing in it....................almost had her talked into a Harley also, well untill she accompanied me to the hospital to unglue my eye. There she was exposed to first hand, via a real freak'n nosy nurse, a worse case scenerio of roadrash.

klkak
11-02-2008, 04:36 PM
It is a wonderful dream but I like where I live. One day I may have to move a bit further out. I have a nice little house on an acre of land and I have some real good neighbors. My daughter and grandkids live less then an hour away so I get to see them often. Even though I live in a neighborhood type area I still see moose in my yard, Black bear, fox, coyote and wolf walking down the street like someones pet. I can walk out on the porch in the winter and watch the northern lights.

Nope, I think I'll stay right here for now. Besides if I feel I need some wilderness time it only takes me a few minutes to get into it. I can't think of anything better then spending a few hours in the bush with my grandson then coming home and listening to him tell mom, dad and grandma all about his adventure. All in all I have a good life.

klkak
11-02-2008, 09:32 PM
My daughter, son-in-law and grandkids came over this afternoon. OMG!!! they are so loud. For the last two weeks its only been me and the wife. It was so peaceful.

crashdive123
11-02-2008, 09:37 PM
Yeah, but sometimes loud distractions can be a welcome event.

Sarge47
11-02-2008, 10:35 PM
If you're really going to go primitive, find a cave & wear a loin cloth. If you're going to the jungle swing from a vine and give the Tarzan yell.:eek: I vote no; why? We've all worked so hard to have the things that we have today. Doing it because you have no other choice is one thing, but doing it because you want to is something else. Even Les Stroud didn't stay "off the grid".:cool:

owl_girl
11-03-2008, 12:47 AM
Not enough info to answer. Like where would I be? do I get a clean stream that I can drink from, take baths in, and fish from? Is it a forest? how many other people are around? how cold and hot dose it get? Whats so great about that place? If I liked it enough then yes but I wouldnt giv it up just to live anywhere. leaving internet would suck the most and no toilet would come in next but other then that Id be good I think. I love reseaching and the internet is such a great tool I would have to know ov a place where Id have access to when I came out of the woods even if that was just once a year. In my city theres a couple places where you cen use the internet free.

klkak
11-03-2008, 01:57 AM
Owl girl, the where dosen't really matter to answer this question truthfully. It can be any where you want. The only thing that matters is "Would you do it?"

klkak
11-03-2008, 01:59 AM
Yeah, but sometimes loud distractions can be a welcome event.

It took me 2 hours to clean up after that loud distraction went home. Where's the fun in that? :confused:

Hemingway
11-03-2008, 02:01 AM
Simply put.. Yes.

sh4d0wm4573ri7
11-03-2008, 08:39 AM
The phrase in a heartbeat comes to mind, definately a yes in my book. My father in law has a cabin such as this in Vi has offered us that lifestyle however my wife and child are spoiled and pampered city folks and I just cant talk her into it.

ryaninmichigan
11-03-2008, 09:24 AM
If I were still single with out a wife and kid yes I would. With them no way.

owl_girl
11-03-2008, 11:06 AM
yes so long as I get out once in a while

Stony
11-03-2008, 02:18 PM
voted yes,
the girls & I are living like this part of the year.

Assassin Pilot
11-03-2008, 03:59 PM
Isn't it kind of silly to answer yes? unless you are in a hospital or something right now, there is nothing keeping you back. Its not like you need any special permission to live off the grid. If "you would", you would be doing it right now. All you need is some place to go, and there is plenty of forest left that has no one nearby for miles.

I wanna know what is keeping all of you who said yes from doing it right now. (Besides those of you who have mentioned family already).

crashdive123
11-03-2008, 04:17 PM
I was just going to ask the same question that AP did. For those that answered yes, are you sure? As AP said, other than those that mentioned family, what is stopping you. What does it take to get rid of all of your stuff and do it. A few of you already are, and I think that's great. Some are working toward that end. For those that romanticize about it....if it truely is what you want to do, then do it. Look at some of WildWomans posts. She had the desire and went and did it. Now she is living the life she dreamed of. It doesn't take a lot of money, just the desire and determination.

Sourdough
11-03-2008, 04:26 PM
O'My'God the King has no clothes on. Look ! look ! the King has no clothes. Everyone in the kingdom agreed to not disclose the obvious. And just like in the tale, the Innocent young man blurts out, look everyone,"The king has no clothes". I think I am inclined to agree with you Mr. Pilot.........:rolleyes:

chiye tanka
11-03-2008, 04:27 PM
I think for many it's the comfort factor. I hate big cities and where I live, it's not too bad yet. The only nice thing is when you run out of something, you hop in the truck and go to Wally World. There is also the fact that in an emergency, you're not far from help.
I love the thought of living of the grid in the middle of nowhere, but at this point in my life, I'm just not ready.
I think it's the same for most people that have the "dream". Just my 2c's.

Sourdough
11-03-2008, 05:33 PM
They say be for one retires and moves lock-stock & barrel to a wonderful perfect location; the smart thing is to rent a place there for a year, see if you really like it.

Anybody want to rent squatting rights......off grid on the back of my property....?Note: it is 11* above and snowing hard, and this is about the warmest it has been in 17 days.

crashdive123
11-03-2008, 05:59 PM
Hmmm. While I do enjoy cooler temps.....supposed to be around 80 here the rest of the week with night time temps in the 50's. Let me think on that.

klkak
11-03-2008, 06:58 PM
Hope I'd take you up on that but I've heard that the sun never shines there because the mountains are in the way.

wareagle69
11-03-2008, 08:20 PM
If you're really going to go primitive, find a cave & wear a loin cloth. If you're going to the jungle swing from a vine and give the Tarzan yell.:eek: I vote no; why? We've all worked so hard to have the things that we have today. Doing it because you have no other choice is one thing, but doing it because you want to is something else. Even Les Stroud didn't stay "off the grid".:cool:

care to elaborate on les not staying off the grid?

Sourdough
11-03-2008, 08:24 PM
Hope I'd take you up on that but I've heard that the sun never shines there because the mountains are in the way.

Old wives tale, the sun shines every day of the year. even on December 21'st

The reason this town is called Sunrise, Alaska is because there are three sunrise's at sometimes of the year. And I love being in the mountains.

pgvoutdoors
11-04-2008, 02:19 PM
My vote would be "YES" and more than likely will happen soon enough.

wildWoman
11-04-2008, 07:33 PM
I'd phrase the question differently...would you want to gain physical fitness, freedom of bills that add up to x thousands of dollars a year, the peace of mind that you can entertain yourself and live by simple means, quiet and depending on where you'd be the kind of surroundings that people pay a lot of money for just to visit on a two-week holiday.
People tend to think so negatively about living simply; I really can't see it that way. I do have satellite internet here, but before we moved out here I lived for 7 years without water, any form of electricity, telephone etc and I did not miss any of the "conveniences". I kind of miss that time now. I liked our first year in the bush here the best, without the internet and phone. It gives you a totally different perception and perspective on the land and animals you're living with as that's all you depend on and have as entertainment. But a means of communication can enable you to make what money you need from home, so that's the good thing about it.
I'd highly, fervently, very much recommend the kind of simple life outlined in the poll to anyone even slightly interested. You can do it in rural areas, with road access. Even if you just end up doing it for a short time, I think it teaches us a lot about how gullible we are about what makes for a good lifestyle.

Hemingway
11-04-2008, 10:18 PM
I answered yes but it's not simply a matter of having the desire to do it. I am in the process of acquiring the capital in order to buy a large piece of land. I don't want to have to ask for permission or jump through government regulations to achieve the lifestyle I want to live.

owl_girl
11-04-2008, 11:15 PM
I am working on it right now. Thats one of the reasons why Im learning this stuff. Im not there yet cuz I dont have a way to get where I want and I dont know where I want and I dont have enough knowledge yet but Im preparing to. I cant just go if I want to be successful.

Sarge47
11-05-2008, 01:42 AM
I'm 61 years old; & the people that lived the way your talking about usually died way before that. Medical science has given us a longer life span. Either acess to supplies, which requires a regular income, or a way to accumulate them is required. While I believe many of you could accomplish that I enjoy my few creature comforts & don't wish to spend 16 hours a day, 7 days a week labor intensive. Sounds too much like work to me. I'd settle for a "happy medium" however. Perhaps solar, wind, & water power to generate electricity somehow, & from there you're not only off the grid, but really protected from the elements as well.:cool:

huntermj
11-05-2008, 02:09 AM
I just finished reading One Mans Wilderness and even Dick Proenneke had supplies flown in every three weeks or so. In the lower forty eight a person can not just set up a homestead anywhere they choose. I live in Colorado where there is a lot of National forest and BLM land and trust me the DOW and national forest rangers patrol even the most remote areas, so building a cabin and clearing land for a garden would not be feasible. So what i have so far is i would need to buy land that cost up to 80,000 per acre and have enough money in the bank to buy supplies for the rest of my life. Yes i could find land cheaper but mostly it would be high dessert, not really suitable for much. This is something i have given some thought to and would do right now if it was doable. So if it is as easy as "just doing it" tell me how and i will. I will load up the truck tomorrow and go do it. Also i am not moving to Canada or Alaska, way too cold. Its easy to say if thats what you really want you would just go do it but when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of it, its not that easy. If i remember right it took Wild women about three years to get it all set up. Proenneke built a cabin on free land, cut down trees without permits and had someone bring supplies every three weeks. A person just cant do that anymore. Even if a person was totally off the grid they would still need to buy some products like nails, screws, yeast, seeds and such things that they just cant make themselves. How would a person just walk out the door and into the woods and start a homestead? Really i want to know because i am in the best situation in my life ever to do this. Not that i have big money to do it i just don't have anything keeping me here anymore.

owl_girl
11-05-2008, 06:21 AM
I'm 61 years old; & the people that lived the way your talking about usually died way before that. Medical science has given us a longer life span. Either acess to supplies, which requires a regular income, or a way to accumulate them is required. While I believe many of you could accomplish that I enjoy my few creature comforts & don't wish to spend 16 hours a day, 7 days a week labor intensive. Sounds too much like work to me. I'd settle for a "happy medium" however. Perhaps solar, wind, & water power to generate electricity somehow, & from there you're not only off the grid, but really protected from the elements as well.:cool:

Yae but people were a bit more stupid back then. They did things like wear corsets and wonder why successful birth rates were so low, theyd eat out of led cans and so on. Plus the whites had horrible diseases. In some plases people that lived naturaly had longer life spans. I really dont think this way of life will shorten your life span from what it would be from this fast food obsessed, polluted society if its done right. Come to think of it people werent mor stuped back then just less knowlagable.

Sourdough
11-05-2008, 07:13 AM
I just finished reading One Mans Wilderness and even Dick Proenneke had supplies flown in every three weeks or so. In the lower forty eight a person can not just set up a homestead anywhere they choose. I live in Colorado where there is a lot of National forest and BLM land and trust me the DOW and national forest rangers patrol even the most remote areas, so building a cabin and clearing land for a garden would not be feasible. So what i have so far is i would need to buy land that cost up to 80,000 per acre and have enough money in the bank to buy supplies for the rest of my life. Yes i could find land cheaper but mostly it would be high dessert, not really suitable for much. This is something i have given some thought to and would do right now if it was doable. So if it is as easy as "just doing it" tell me how and i will. I will load up the truck tomorrow and go do it. Also i am not moving to Canada or Alaska, way too cold. Its easy to say if thats what you really want you would just go do it but when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of it, its not that easy. If i remember right it took Wild women about three years to get it all set up. Proenneke built a cabin on free land, cut down trees without permits and had someone bring supplies every three weeks. A person just cant do that anymore. Even if a person was totally off the grid they would still need to buy some products like nails, screws, yeast, seeds and such things that they just cant make themselves. How would a person just walk out the door and into the woods and start a homestead? Really i want to know because i am in the best situation in my life ever to do this. Not that i have big money to do it i just don't have anything keeping me here anymore.

I have built three homesteads. It was not easy any of those times. And the older one is the harder. One trick you could consider is acquire land that adjoins government land. The other factor is, we are most likely about to soon enter a period of high inflation. Which means two things. One if the cost of the land is out of reach now, it will be more so in the future. The other is if you have a secure employment you can use the inflation to pay for you land in cheaper dollars. Back in the 70's the last period of high inflation, we would buy 160 acre homesteads, for $32,000.- and three years later sell 80 acres for $32,000.- and have 80 acres free. Then two years later sell 40 acres for $32,000.- and use that money to build buildings and buy tractors, etc.

A man should never abandon his dreams.......:)

RBB
11-06-2008, 02:46 AM
Well, I wouldn't mind. In fact I think I would enjoy the challenge, but I voted "no," because I'd have to get a new wife - and I like the one I've got.

For many, I believe this is a pipe dream. I've had a number of dealings, through the years, with people who've moved up in the woods with the idea of "living off the grid," or even worse, "living off the land." None have stayed with it and some have come to a bad end. Most just end up on the local welfare roles.

Ole WV Coot
11-06-2008, 10:14 AM
Nope, No Way, Not Me. I remember the coal oil lamps, outhouse when I was a kid. I spent my younger years like that, no road except the creekbed and walking around the hillside when the creek was up to get to school. During the winter my eyeballs would float before I would get out of bed and head for the one hole outhouse(we couldn't afford an extra hole).

huntermj
11-06-2008, 10:27 AM
You know your poor when you cant afford a hole:D
Im so poor i cant afford to pay attention:D

Riverrat
11-06-2008, 06:35 PM
I am close to doing just that, what Sarge said that is, we live on a dead end road, not to many people around, and try to grow most of our own food, what we can anyway. We are looking at going off grid in the next couple of years, start slow and finally unhook completely. We heat with wood and this is our only heat.

My wife works using the Internet for work, and both off us use it for taking courses, but that is not a problem as we are using a satellite now. We do buy some food stuff from the stores, and probably always will, but we grow and gather allot of what we need. I fish, hunt, and love to pick wild berries, but it would really be hard to give up some of the things we have. I really like my electric lights, and not having to go outdoors to use the toilet, well that is something I would really like to be able to keep on doing.

Shaniun
11-08-2008, 02:09 AM
In a heartbeat!

We are as close to it as we can be, but still have aged parents requiring care, so have to have minimal contact with 'civilization'. Once they are no longer in the equation, we are gone. Disappeared. And happy to be so. It can be done, and will be done.

Freki
11-09-2008, 07:32 PM
I would. Don't get me wrong I like my lifestyle and I've worked very hard to get to a place where I can be very comfortable, but the stress is horrendous! (at the moment I'm working about 12 hours a day building my business up) but no phones, internet, no other bills would be bliss!!!
Alas it would be pretty hard though to find a nice lady and to raise a family though I think. Well unless your lucky enough to find a like minded woman that is!!!!

tsitenha
11-11-2008, 01:53 PM
Like many said before me, I voted no... I have a family that can not at present make the transition. but if I were alone... just walk away...no problem

HOP
11-12-2008, 08:35 AM
I voted yes , you can get off grid almost any where without going to Timbuktu . Location is important as you would need materials to build with such as logs ,sod ,adobe, water game potentially good soil for growing stuff . The desert would be a hard place to start a off grid homestead as would the extreme north. So it is not as easy as get your hat and coat and leave your troubles on the door stepbut it is douable.

backtobasics
11-12-2008, 12:39 PM
I wish i could but past injuries would make it very hard for me. If i was not hurt it would still have to be the right location with the right set up. My activities are limited these days. I have lived far out before without electricity and indoor plumbing, but i still went to the grocery store. It would be very tough without a little money. Only a few can really handle it and trying to find a woman out there is very hard.

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