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Sarge47

11-01-2008, 11:12 PM

You've been hiking alone for many days now, & you find yourself in the woods. You're running out of food & you're down to your last granola bar. You haven't had hot food in two weeks. Suddenly you smell something good roasting on an open fire. Then you see the fire & quite a few tough-looking people gathered around it. Would you just barge right in & help yourself to their food, or would you approach slowly & introduce yourself; then ask for help? It's sorta like that with the intros; it lets the rest of us know who we're conversing with so we can offer the "paw" of friendship & "food" (info). It's not an unreasonable request.:cool:

crashdive123

11-01-2008, 11:17 PM

Sarge, Sarge, Sarge. Do you realize how many billybadazzes are just gonna tell us how they'd take the food as they go in blasting?:eek::eek::D

Beowulf65

11-01-2008, 11:30 PM

Yeah Crash is right, but I agree with Sarge.
So where is Billy anyway?

klkak

11-02-2008, 12:22 AM

Come in with a purr and go out with a ROAR!!!

Fletcher

11-02-2008, 12:38 AM

wareagle69

11-02-2008, 01:24 AM

are you takin your meds boss?

Ole WV Coot

11-02-2008, 10:16 AM

Don't guess you saw Deliverance Huh?? If you have it just comes down to how hungry you are. Hold out for seconds, tell them you're not cheap just reasonable. Being butt ugly like me helps.

Sarge47

11-02-2008, 02:28 PM

Sarge, Sarge, Sarge. Do you realize how many billybadazzes are just gonna tell us how they'd take the food as they go in blasting?:eek::eek::D
Yeah, but that's a bunch of BS as well. The guys around the fire are usually meaner, tougher, & also pack heat.:eek: The "Dean" of Science fiction: Robert Heinlein, wrote a Sci-Fi survival novel years ago, entitled: "Tunnel In The Sky".
A group of high school students have been studying survival skills in the classroom & are going to go out and do it for real in the "field." The "field" being any planet in the universe. The protagonist in the story asks his older sister, who's already completed the course sometime back, for advice. She tells him that when he goes to choose his weapons, to leave the guns behind & only take knives; the logic being that a person with a gun is "10 feet tall & covered with hair." A knife, however, tends to make one cautious. Over all a great survival novel. I read it back in high school.:cool:

crashdive123

11-02-2008, 03:32 PM

Oh, no arguments here. I always find it amusing when we get the posts about how "I'm just gonna take what I want, and go in shooting if I have to." To those I would say, ya better pack a lunch, you may be a while.

SARKY

11-03-2008, 01:53 AM

klkak

11-03-2008, 02:04 AM

First off....if I am out in the woods for over a week, I am usually eating better than before I ran out of granola bars. I tend to forage just out of habit. The more you are moving the more opportunity you will have in finding something edible. Let's face it , you have to be an opportunist if you are going to survive in te wilderness.
Now as to the toughs around the fire....first they look rough. second they don't care if anyone smells their food or sees their fire. This tells me that they are either naive or don't give a rats butt if anyone knows their position.

Sarky, you totally missed the whole point of this thread! Go back an read the first post again!

You've been hiking alone for many days now, & you find yourself in the woods. You're running out of food & you're down to your last granola bar. You haven't had hot food in two weeks. Suddenly you smell something good roasting on an open fire. Then you see the fire & quite a few tough-looking people gathered around it. Would you just barge right in & help yourself to their food, or would you approach slowly & introduce yourself; then ask for help? It's sorta like that with the introductions; it lets the rest of us know who we're conversing with so we can offer the "paw" of friendship & "food" (info). It's not an unreasonable request.

Bibow

11-03-2008, 08:23 PM

well first i'd take a good look and if they have pistols and rifles as close as possible around them i would most likely just quietly keep moving. if they don't look like any kind of threat i'd go in introduce myself talk for a minute or two and if there nice they would most likely have already given me a taste of what there cooking.
oops okay time to change this i'd say hi ask how it's goin let them know my name and the situation i'm in find out there names just have a laugh for a couple minutes and if i seem nice enough they'll most likely let have somethin to eat and hang around a while.
ok this is hard maybe i should'nt have tried. oh well

crashdive123

11-03-2008, 08:24 PM

See what I mean Sarge?

Arsey

11-03-2008, 09:24 PM

G'day Sarge,
Interesting question. LOL
Well instead of hanging around watching forever, cos I am hungry, I'd say a cautious G'day and see what kind of response I got.
If it was unfriendly then I might just be able to get away unscathed.
If it was friendly then I might just stay where I was until I could gauge the kind of people they were.
They might be fine. They might be friendly.
Caution is my middle name. Well OK it's not. Passes is, or wind or something like that, but you get the idea!
Either way I would stick around at some distance or other until I decided if they were worth the bother or not. :)

Smok

11-03-2008, 09:42 PM

Sarky ...You may find that all of them are not lighted by the fire .. Like me .....I just sit back out of the light now and read ...I do not add much any more ....I use to ... Lone ago ...But ... Best left unsaid ..?........Thanks.... Sarge47 I don't think I've read that one

crashdive123

11-03-2008, 09:44 PM

Guys! I do believe Sarge was using the campsite analogy to explain why introductions are important due to some of the broohaha over doing an introduction on this forum.

klkak

11-04-2008, 12:52 AM

OMG!!! What the heck is wrong with every one? I beginning to believe there are some folk on here that are a little thick between the ears.

EVERY ONE LISTEN UP!!! THE WHOLE POINT IN THIS THREAD IS TO EXPLAIN TO THE NEWBIES THAT THEY NEED TO GO TO THE INTRODUCTIONS PAGE AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. IF YOU ARE READING ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT FIRST POST BY SARGE47 THEN YOU ARE BORDERLINE RETARDED.

Gray Wolf

11-04-2008, 02:14 AM

Good post Sarge, long awaited....

klkak, Great translation for those who are a little thick!

Tony uk

11-04-2008, 07:09 AM

Reiver

11-04-2008, 08:09 AM

I've been hiking alone for many months or years now, & now find myself in the woods. I do just fine fending for myself, but as usual, I'm running low on some things I need. I spot some tough-looking people gathered around a fire roasting something that smells good, which maybe worth trading something for. I don't steal, I don't beg, I trade or share.

So, what do I do? I watch you all around your fire and size you up. Do you have anything that I can see worth trading / sharing? How do you interact with each other. Are you tough or just tough-looking?

If I decide to, and not just pass you by without you even knowing I exist, I whistle, so as not to alarm you and say 'friend ahoy' from hiding, watching your reactions. Do you go for your weapons? My escape path is set, should you be trolls disguised as men. I have already picked out the alpha(s) to deal with, and hidden my stuff on my escape path.....Anyway you get the picture, just like I get the picture. I am assuming the folks around the campfire are basically friendly in this neck of the woods, so we should have no dramas, right?

Remember, not everyone is starving and lost, and even those who are may have valuable skills and stuff to trade. :D:D

You've been hiking alone for many days now, & you find yourself in the woods. You're running out of food & you're down to your last granola bar. You haven't had hot food in two weeks. Suddenly you smell something good roasting on an open fire. Then you see the fire & quite a few tough-looking people gathered around it. Would you just barge right in & help yourself to their food, or would you approach slowly & introduce yourself; then ask for help? It's sorta like that with the intros; it lets the rest of us know who we're conversing with so we can offer the "paw" of friendship & "food" (info). It's not an unreasonable request.:cool:

Sarge47

11-04-2008, 08:40 AM

I've been hiking alone for many months or years now, & now find myself in the woods. I do just fine fending for myself, but as usual, I'm running low on some things I need. I spot some tough-looking people gathered around a fire roasting something that smells good, which maybe worth trading something for. I don't steal, I don't beg, I trade or share.

So, what do I do? I watch you all around your fire and size you up. Do you have anything that I can see worth trading / sharing? How do you interact with each other. Are you tough or just tough-looking?

If I decide to, and not just pass you by without you even knowing I exist, I whistle, so as not to alarm you and say 'friend ahoy' from hiding, watching your reactions. Do you go for your weapons? My escape path is set, should you be trolls disguised as men. I have already picked out the alpha(s) to deal with, and hidden my stuff on my escape path.....Anyway you get the picture, just like I get the picture. I am assuming the folks around the campfire are basically friendly in this neck of the woods, so we should have no dramas, right?

Remember, not everyone is starving and lost, and even those who are may have valuable skills and stuff to trade. :D:D

...the point was the need of an intro 1st. Most of the Trolls we get don't bother with one & jump right in. So that's me point mate; cool?:cool:

klkak

11-04-2008, 02:33 PM

Two Nicely dressed young men approach your house. You see them through the front window and your first impression is "Mormon recruiters". So you decide to not answer the door. But, when you were looking through the front window at them they also could see you so they know you are home and persist in knocking on the door. Finely you grab the door and fling it open at the same time saying in a loud voice "What the he11 do you want?" One of the men says "My name is Detective **, we apprehended two men a short time ago who took your daughter hostage when she entered the bank they were robbing. She is shaken but OK. We are here to take you to the hospital where she is being checked out.

Introductions are very important whether in person, on the phone or on-line.

Remy, that line of crap you just laid out is just that. If someone is faking it will show eventually.

nell67

11-04-2008, 03:58 PM

What if, and it is not a very powerful "if", "a newbie" would give you as an intro...
-fake name
-fake bio
-fake location
-fake interests
-fake occupation

We could still have a meaningful rapport and have many discussions about many different subjects, the "introduction" meaning absolutely nothing.

Your analogy negates to take in consideration the "true" introduction/information, as in body language, eyes, tone of voice, facial expressions, chemicals, temperaments, attitude...etc.

Pict could be making up his name, his location, his interests and his occupation, and still fulfill his role here.
Because, in the end, that is what it is about...roles.
You have yours, i have mine, Crash or Bragg have theirs and so on...we all have a role, and this role does not rest on a vague, incomplete, fake or even true introduction.
It is based on what we do here...on our style, our approach...

Let's say i am a "newbie" (i dislike this term but OK...), and i arrive here...if i look at the active member's "about me" after being told to introduce myself, i will find nothing.
Because we all know that personal information is at large irrelevant to the main interest which is survival...in fact, in many ways, giving personal information is often viewed as counter intuitive in terms of "survival".

Dogs and cats make themselves bigger by fluffing their backs while "introducing" themselves. And most living things send mixed signals, have built-in camouflage systems, or adopt certain attitudes upon a bump which do not reflect "who they are", since who they are is a lot more than an introduction.
Introductions are influences.

For specific conversations, the need for certain information is indeed relevant...as in the location of the individual, to better personalize the advise on plants or shelter or who knows what...but after that...the need to acquire information is added baggage and therefore weight.

It is not in FVR's "about me" that i find "friendship", but in his place here, his role, his style, his presence, his contribution, the relevance of his posts and the coherence of his words...

Simply put, i can come here with a fake everything, and still fulfill my role. So what is the motivation behind "introducing" myself if not the resolution of untold protocols based on power, need, control and compulsions ?

What are the motivations of an individual like Nell, to again and again ask for information, when her participation here is at best a substitute for feeling like she is part of something ?
Having said that, she is fulfilling her role here...
Which says a lot more about her, than any "introduction" could ever do.
You know what i mean ?

The "introduction" is our participation, the fulfillment of our role...the "introduction" is the revealing of our nature, our temperament, the coherence of our words, and not a "bio" or a "location", or a list of interests.

The "introduction", is our role.
Show me your role, and i will tell you who you are.
Tell me who you are, and i will tell you who you are not.

Whatever remy/volwest,whomever you are today,I have no need to fit in anywhere,never have,and like you keep saying,people only tell what they want others to know,so really you know nothing about me at all,not even from when I called you friend.

I fit in here because like most of these guys,the wilderness is where I am most comfortable,also unlike you who have no desires ( according to your posts,oh yea,I forgot,you are the master of wiping out your past here on the forum,by removing all your old posts)

nell67

11-04-2008, 04:52 PM

Remy,if there is something that you wish to know about me,then ask,there is only one person on this forum whom I have opened up that much to.But I am giving you the opportunity right now,to find out the answers to questions you seem to have about WHY I am so guarded about who I am,I'll give you a hint though,it has nothing to do with my momma.:rolleyes:

nell67

11-04-2008, 05:04 PM

You are very wrong,remy,I have divulged personal information about myself in posts throughout the forum.

If you go back through my posts,especially from last year,you will see alot of information I have posted.

I simply ask them to post about themselves because I like knowing about people,especially likeminded people. You have noticed that I have never asked you to do an intro?

nell67

11-04-2008, 05:21 PM

I do not care if they like me. I consider everyone a friend,until they give me reason not to.I like everyone,until they give me a reason not to.

If anyone on here wishes to know more about me,they are more than welcome to ask.

I do not think that you and I are all that like minded,lets just say,that you remind me of a controlling individual I once knew and leave it at that.

Anything else you would like to know?

Smok

11-04-2008, 05:24 PM

remy... How the he11 cares , as I tip my hat back and spit on the ground

nell67

11-04-2008, 05:37 PM

LOL,you do not see,I don't give up on friends easily.

I have many friends who have come into my life,not so many that I have closed the door on.

nell67

11-04-2008, 05:47 PM

It is both,I don't let my friends go easily. It takes alot for me to let go of them,and I usually give them more than one opportunity to break my trust before I let go.

Smok,it's ok,remy's patient load is weak today,he is doing my therapy pro bono today....

Arsey

11-04-2008, 06:00 PM

While I appreciate a good debate :) I feel I owe you all an apology. I certainly didn't mean to rock the boat like this by joining your community.
I had joined about 4 other forums that day in an attempt to find alternatives from the forum I had been on for quite a while.
Rather than be overly verbose on my first introduction I decided to just stick my head in the the door and say G'day, as is done in these parts, insulting no-one.
I did the same on the other forums as well. Gradually as I have time I'm going around the forums I joined that day and introducing myself further.
I appreciate the efforts on Sarge's part. I got the point and I think if you read my post with that thought in mind, you will see that I did and was acknowledging my position.
Remy, you put things very well.

Further, I'd like to thank everyone for their welcome and look forward to participating with you all.

Cheers for now.

nell67

11-04-2008, 06:05 PM

Arsey,you have no reason to apologize.

nell67

11-04-2008, 06:14 PM

Do you feel like you need therapy ?

Hello Arsey...
Since you are here...
What do you think about this "introduction" tradition....

Nope,but you seem to think so,since I am so guarded and all (shrugs)

nell67

11-04-2008, 06:30 PM

If you think that thread was so great,than start a new one,get all the people who where not here involved in it,but since we don't have that type thread going on right now,we do have an intro thread,and there are several here who are the "support" for that thread,I just happen to be the most visible,because I am the only female directing traffic in that direction?Oh,and your services as a shrink are not required,I never asked.

nell67

11-04-2008, 07:07 PM

Believe me ,I am not insisting that you be my shrink.I have no need for therapy.

I didn't start the introduction habit another member did,and a few of us keep it going,it is one way we try to make the newbies (oops,forgot,you don't like that word) feel welcome here.

Arsey

11-04-2008, 07:47 PM

I agree with Remy on the whole I think.

I try to be as truthful as possible without being so stupid as to give everyone and anyone my personal details. But I do know of others who lie/treat it as a game and have different personnas (sp) that they invent for different boards.

You as the welcoming committee would have no idea which was which. It's only by the quality of feeling of involvement that you can make your minds up about me, and that will only happen if I participate on the forum.

Therefore it is nice to be welcomed.

It is not nice to be sniped at straight away.

Like I was pointing when replying to Sarge's post, in real life it is natural to hang back and be a bit reserved until you get a feel for a new bunch of people you have met. Invariably by the end of the day you have identified who you can have a rapport with and who you can just talk with.

So Aye, I would carry on welcoming people, that's only polite. But to turn, in the space of 3 or 4 posts, into BS is not very cool. (He's been on other boards....I googled his signature......He's legit....He's not legit etc etc).

I can of course only speak from personal experience. You've probably welcomed 1000's of people with no hassle.

:) Bottom line is, I still look forward to being a participant.

crashdive123

11-04-2008, 07:56 PM

.....as we look forward to you participating.

Sarge47

11-04-2008, 08:31 PM

...1st, it's the POLITE thing to do; 2nd, it gives others on here sufficient info to answer questions asked by said individual; so if someone is fabricating their data, then ask a serious question they need the answer too, then they're going to get the wrong info, so it can backfire on them; 3rd, I take everybody at face value, even though Remy is experienced in he what he refers to in regards to recreating an identity, right Vol West?:D So am I going to throw the baby out with the bathwater? No. I think that one of our members that recently left in a huff was indeed a poser when he stated that, as an expert outdoorsman, it was perfectly safe to drink urine direct from one's bladder & Bear Grylls was "the man". After that, no one took him seriously, so invent at your own expense. Arsey, your info was great, BTW! You sound like you've got some experience in the outdoors, & that is much needed here.:cool:

crashdive123

11-04-2008, 10:37 PM

When a discussion, or back and forth banter denigrates into name calling it is probably time to end the discussion as it appears there is no longer any discussion relevant to the topic at hand.

Sarge47

11-05-2008, 01:25 AM

When a discussion, or back and forth banter denigrates into name calling it is probably time to end the discussion as it appears there is no longer any discussion relevant to the topic at hand.
I agree, Crash! Remy, you've made your point. My post was to the Newbies, & quite frankly, I don't give a Rat's Azz who dislikes that term; that's MY term of choice. I don't care if you question motives, you're not the "motive police". I don't care what you know about me or anyone else. What does all that avail on this forum? Nada! Perhaps it makes you feel important to go off on these little rants as you oft-times do, I don't know, but it doesn't matter to me what you know or think you know; what matters to me is getting all this organized; so please try to be part of the solution & not the problem. :cool:

klkak

11-05-2008, 01:51 AM

From now on I will regard remy as nothing more then a "drive by poster". In fact I'm sure there is a button on here somewhere that will allow me to "Ignore and hide" all his post.

Say goodbye remy!

huntermj

11-05-2008, 02:15 AM

Goodbye Remy

klkak

11-05-2008, 02:25 AM

I found that button........,

Fletcher

11-05-2008, 11:26 AM

From now on I will regard remy as nothing more then a "drive by poster". In fact I'm sure there is a button on here somewhere that will allow me to "Ignore and hide" all his post.

Say goodbye remy!

Hey Klkak,
where is that button? Could you please show me how or where it is.

nell67

11-05-2008, 11:29 AM

Fletcher,if you go to your CP,on the left side of the page,you will see a list of options,just look for the link that says edit ignore list.

Fletcher

11-05-2008, 12:33 PM

Thank you Nell.

chiye tanka

11-06-2008, 09:48 PM

:cool: Just sounds like remy has nominated himself to take Bragg's place.

Runs With Beer

11-06-2008, 09:57 PM

chiye tanka

11-06-2008, 10:00 PM

crashdive123

11-06-2008, 10:00 PM

I'm sure there was a point to the video posted Remy.......but then again, maybe not.

Runs With Beer

11-06-2008, 10:01 PM

I spelled you wrong, Dang.

chiye tanka

11-06-2008, 10:03 PM

Aw he11, we knowed wat u ment.:D Ain't that rite Crash?

crashdive123

11-06-2008, 10:06 PM

Oh yeah. Absolutely. What he said. Oh look......mushrooms.

huntermj

11-06-2008, 10:29 PM

At Least Bragg had a point, even if a person did not agree with it he still had a point. Remy just tries to use his knowledge of psychology to drag people into pointless arguments for his personal amusement. Trust me i once dated a women who was a psychologist and was bipolar. Learned all the tricks such a person uses. I'm not saying Reamy is bipolar just saying it seems similar.

huntermj

11-07-2008, 03:33 PM

Like i said....

Ole WV Coot

11-07-2008, 08:15 PM

Psychology is a long word for BS, therefore I am a brain surgeon. I can also mess up a person's head. I have a couple of close acquaintances who are psychologists and they don't try to irritate or argue. I have been around too long to take the "bait" from someone who attempts to use a twisted vocabulary to screw with folks. Now that's plain and simple. Now plain and simple is easily understood unless you feel inadequate and have a need to impress folks. Easy on the internet isn't it? Try it face to face sometime or just KISS like everyone else who don't have the need to impress. Usually don't add to this garbage, just felt like it tonight.

Sarge47

11-08-2008, 01:29 AM

Sarge, Someone told me long ago back in boot camp, Once toy get past the muzzle of a gun the gun is pretty much useless, But you cant get close enough to a person that a knife is not! What do you tkink?
I believe that a firearm is only an effective tool as long as you have ammo. When the ammo's gone you're left with a very expensive club, crutch, walking cane, or paperweight. A knife, however, can be used over & over again, as long as you treat it right. No reloading required.:cool:

wareagle69

11-08-2008, 02:34 PM

in those same guidelines that you mentioned there is also guide lines governing flaming and persoanal attacks(just want to make sure we had covered the bases for the newb er people just joining here)

Ole WV Coot

11-09-2008, 04:35 PM

Remy I neither like nor dislike you. The point I was trying to make is vocabulary nor vocation make an impression on me. You know nothing of my education, military service, political beliefs. Did you ever consider I may be more knowledgeable than you? I don't impress easily, nor do I try to "impress" anyone. I will remember that I can easily irritate you enough to bring out part of your real personality. If you actually try to judge a person by posts on a forum you are making a mistake apparent to many. I will never have personal contact with you nor do I wish to be in your inner circle. I don't judge so possibly you are a person I am completely wrong about. I am a very average person with strong religious, patriotic & family beliefs. I do believe I am in the minority today but I enjoy my way of life as you do yours. Please continue to analyze and post your theories so us "simple" folks, with the aid of a decent dictionary may attempt to understand of what you speak in a survival forum where your posts are unrelated to most topics. Please excuse my lack of composition of this simple post.

crashdive123

11-09-2008, 04:51 PM

I am a very average person with strong religious, patriotic & family beliefs.

You've got lots of company.

wildWoman

11-09-2008, 07:21 PM

Boys, don't get your boxers all tied into a knot yet again...

crashdive123

11-09-2008, 07:45 PM

TMI Remy, TMI.

Ole WV Coot

11-10-2008, 04:35 PM

Boys, don't get your boxers all tied into a knot yet again...

Some watches are easily wound, the mainspring seems to be broken on this one so no need to continue to wind. :D It isn't correct the usual twice a day.:rolleyes:

trax

11-10-2008, 06:51 PM

I go commando.

could make whatever yer tyin' up in a knot much more painful then.

wildWoman

11-10-2008, 06:58 PM

:confused: :eek: :D :D :D

Sourdough

11-10-2008, 07:21 PM

could make whatever yer tyin' up in a knot much more painful then.

More so if it is YOURN' TOPKNOT. Just not where one should have one's Top Knot.........:eek:

crashdive123

11-10-2008, 07:58 PM

....but the terminology may be correct.

Badawg

11-10-2008, 08:52 PM

Hey there,

just so y'all know... The Eula agreement is broken on this forum(I joined today, so this is "live" info). I agreed anyway because I assume I don't have to give up my worldly possessions and put on the black ****'s to join.

So if you are serving coffee around that fire, can I offer up a shot of Rum for you all?

BD

Runs With Beer

11-10-2008, 08:54 PM

Its too far awayyyyyyyyyyy.

crashdive123

11-10-2008, 08:59 PM

nell67

11-10-2008, 09:00 PM

End user license agreement,it's put out with almost all software. I'm up for the rum.

Arsey

11-10-2008, 11:27 PM

G'day Badawg,
I'm new here too.
From Australia, on the East Coast.
I'll go get my glass.....

Runs With Beer

11-11-2008, 09:36 PM

Gotta love the Avitar.

Arsey

11-12-2008, 05:30 AM

Thanks RWB,
It was given to me by someone I met on another forum where I went by the name of 8 Passes Wind.
Don't ask me why 8 passes Wind...I don't know. I was just at that crucial moment of registering and that popped into my head and that was it.
Anyway, folks seemed to think it funny and it stuck. So this guy sent me the .bmp and as I was joining a new forum I thought I'd sort of keep the theme. So if anyone else from that other forum joined this forum then they might just ask the question..."You would happen to have been 8PW would you?" and I could have laughed heartily and slapped my thigh and things like that.
Which is good as thigh slapping is often accompanied by beer drinking which in turn brings us back to 8PW.
It's a strange old world I live in. :)