Complex Choke throw trap

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

I recently finished developing a complicated trap for small game,

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=27&pictureid=224

the releasehttp://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=27&pictureid=225

The animal is pulled up to the cross bars and held fast.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Ramond Mears wrote about this trap in his book "The Wilderness Survival Handbook"

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=16&pictureid=215

and,

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=16&pictureid=213

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Ramond Mears Trap is difficult to set and doesnt hold very well. by improving the release and adding the cross bars the performance of the trap is greatly improved.

[klkak]

Me hang snare in trail.
Snare catch rabbit.
Me eat rabbit.

Anything else is just a waste of time.

[hopeak]

Me shoot wabbit with .22 sub sonic be for he gets to your snare, I share wabbit with neighbor.

[klkak]

Yea yea yea,

The point I was trying to make is that the time it takes to make one of those abortion's he came up with would be better spent setting a dozen or so simple snares.

If you put a pile of crap like that in the middle of a run the animal will just go around it.

The beauty of the snare is it's simplicity and productivity.

I would rather spend an hour setting a whole bunch of snares and the rest of the day collecting fire wood or improving my shelter or whatever. Then several hours setting a few snares.

But hey, I've only been trapping since 1972 so I reckon I still have a lot to learn.

[Pict]

Klkak,

I agree that the whole point of feeding yourself with traps is volume, it really is a numbers game. It is illegal to set snares in both places that I live so I'm not the most adept at it. I have run a trapline as a kid for furbearers, the bottom line is the more you set the more you get but its a low percentage of traps that get hits on any given night.

Small rodents and birds are the bread and butter targets for traps and the simpler the trap the more you can set. They also require less material resources and less of the most critical resource, time. In talking to professional bird trappers in Brazil they would get about a 10% to 20% return on their traps using the arapuca trap. They would target birds for sale as pets so they were very selective as to what they were going after. Anything else that wound up in the traps would wind up in the pot. A high volume of simple traps is the way to go.

On my Alaska trip we took a few miles ride on the ATV's to an old abandoned trapper cabin. There were huge rolls of locking cable snares still hanging on the pegs all around the cabin along with dozens of leg-holds rusted together in bundles. The sheer number of snares told the story. Mac

[Fletcher]

By the time you get that thing set up.......................



Supper dishes would be in the sink!!!!!!!!!! Dogs chewing on bones.

[hopeak]

Yea yea yea,

But hey, I've only been trapping since 1972 so I reckon I still have a lot to learn.


I trapped a world record class red back vole yesterday. I did not have to open him up to see what he had been eating. Got him in the goose and turkey feed storage shed. The pelt was attractive, and nicely colored, but a weeee bit smallish.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Voles are nice, I havent caught one of those iin a long time. What did you catch it with?

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Trapping is a game of cunning and wit, A few well placed traps (whatever kind you would use) in just the right spots will produce results

[Pict]

If you figure out the schedule of anything, man or beast, and you can kill it. Eating is a matter of figuring it out, not getting eaten is matter of throwing it off. Ask me how I know.
Mac

[hopeak]

Voles are nice, I havent caught one of those iin a long time. What did you catch it with?

A Victor mouse trap. I am going to but 12 mouse traps and 12 rat traps. And drill a hole in the rat traps for attaching a cord. The Alaske natives use rat traps to catch Sic'Sic Pucks, which they use to make parkas.

[klkak]

Trapping is a game of cunning and wit, A few well placed traps (whatever kind you would use) in just the right spots will produce results

You have no clue! How many animals did you catch last year.....or better yet how many have you caught in the last 5 years? My trap line is close to 150 miles long and takes over a week to set and at least 2 days to run. I know a thing or two about trapping. The more elaborate the trap the less likely it is to catch something. As Mac said; Trapping is a numbers game.

There are many people who come here to learn the best way to do something. They may look at what you have posted and think its what they need to do to catch survival food. When they can't make it work, get discouraged and give up its our fault. We who have the knowledge have failed them. In a crisis situation, the simplest way is almost always the best way.

Try this; Pretend you have a broken arm (stick one hand in your pocket). Now make and set that trap with one hand!

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[klkak]

A Victor mouse trap. I am going to but 12 mouse traps and 12 rat traps. And drill a hole in the rat traps for attaching a cord. The Alaska natives use rat traps to catch Sic'Sic Pucks, which they use to make parkas.

I use rat traps to catch red tree squirrels around my house.:D

[hopeak]

Do you set them in the runs.....? Do you attach a cord.....?

[trax]

Yeah, I have to agree with klkak (what no one's surprised?) as soon as something's titled "complex" or "complicated" I start to yawn. If you really want to make your snares complicated, bend a green tree over and attach a trigger so that the animal pulling the snare tight releases the trigger and sets the tree to sproining. I mean if you really feel the need.

[Gray Wolf]

The more elaborate the trap the less likely it is to catch something. As Mac said; Trapping is a numbers game.

There are many people who come here to learn the best way to do something. They may look at what you have posted and think its what they need to do to catch survival food. When they can't make it work, get discouraged and give up its our fault. We who have the knowledge have failed them. In a crisis situation, the simplest way is almost always the best way.


Well said!

[klkak]

Do you set them in the runs?
I put the traps is area's I know the squirrels frequent and I bait them with "Extra-crunchy Jiff peanut butter"

Do you attach a cord?
Sometimes I use a cord. Other times I attach it to a limb, fence rail or whatever with 2 drywall screws. (note: pre-drill the trap before using the screws)

[tsitenha]

Note: screw trap on before setting bar

Use a similar set up myself (peanut butter, screws and twine)

[klkak]

Note: screw trap on before setting bar

Good point. :)

[crashdive123]

If you figure out the schedule of anything, man or beast, and you can kill it. Eating is a matter of figuring it out, not getting eaten is matter of throwing it off. Ask me how I know.
Mac

OK - I'll bite. How do you know?:D:eek::eek::D

[crashdive123]

For those that use mouse and rat traps. There are quite a few newer styles that are very effective and easier to set than the wooden Victor traps.

[klkak]

For those that use mouse and rat traps. There are quite a few newer styles that are very effective and easier to set than the wooden Victor traps.

Do tell, I'm interested.

[crashdive123]

Let me look up a couple of links (I buy em from a local supplier).

[crashdive123]

Here are some that I use. I have not purchased any of these from any website, so look around before you buy.

Made by Victor, I use the quick set and quick kill. Scroll down to page 3 to see them. The quick kill is my favorite for mice. They’re durable – the bait goes into a covered cup – when the cup is lifted (positioning head under bar) the bar will get it in the neck (very fast and humane). On page 7 I’ve also used the quick set and power kill rat traps.

http://www.woodstreamcorp.com/sales/sales2/catalogs/victor_rodent_cat_allpages.pdf

Another trap I like is the T Rex. They make a small and large one. The bait cup is removable from the bottom, so you don’t need to “handle” the innards of the trap.

http://www.doyourownpestcontrol.com/trextrapperkit.htm

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

You have no clue! How many animals did you catch last year.....or better yet how many have you caught in the last 5 years? My trap line is close to 150 miles long and takes over a week to set and at least 2 days to run. I know a thing or two about trapping. The more elaborate the trap the less likely it is to catch something. As Mac said; Trapping is a numbers game.

There are many people who come here to learn the best way to do something. They may look at what you have posted and think its what they need to do to catch survival food. When they can't make it work, get discouraged and give up its our fault. We who have the knowledge have failed them. In a crisis situation, the simplest way is almost always the best way.

Try this; Pretend you have a broken arm (stick one hand in your pocket). Now make and set that trap with one hand!

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I dont care what you do in Alaska, I have trapped what ever i need to provide for myself, just by saying that you buy Rat traps tells me that you cant build a trap, this discussion was supposed to about an improvement on a classic dependable method.

[Fletcher]

I dont care what you do in Alaska, I have trapped what ever i need to provide for myself, just by saying that you buy Rat traps tells me that you cant build a trap, this discussion was supposed to about an improvement on a classic dependable method.


Down boy SIT! Heal SIT STAY!!!!!!!

Don't make me separate you two

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Ok , better now! I work hard for solutions to problems, and when I share one....

[klkak]

I dont care what you do in Alaska, I have trapped what ever i need to provide for myself, just by saying that you buy Rat traps tells me that you cant build a trap, this discussion was supposed to about an improvement on a classic dependable method.

Ooo, temper temper.
You missed the most important part of the post.

There are many people who come here to learn the best way to do something. They may look at what you have posted and think its what they need to do to catch survival food. When they can't make it work, get discouraged and give up. Its our fault. We who have the knowledge have failed them. In a crisis situation, the simplest way is almost always the best way.

The reason I gave my resume on trapping was to establish my subject knowledge. I use rat traps because they are cheap and simple. I can also reuse them over and over and over.....,! By the way, I was making rat traps long before I decided it was easier just to buy them.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Ooo, temper temper.
You missed the most important part of the post.



The reason I gave my resume on trapping was to establish my subject knowledge. I use rat traps because they are cheap and simple. I can also reuse them over and over and over.....,! By the way, I was making rat traps long before I decided it was easier just to buy them.
Thanks no temper here my friend. I do hope for everyones input. Alternatives to the common and mundane equipment that we carry. and it is correct "simple is Better" . I have also trapped every thing from crickets to wild Boar, and if you are using only whats out there in nature,to trap with the rules change. For instance.. try catching a raccoon in a box trap, then send me a picture of it,sounds easy Right? try it. (A second trap near to the first is what works good.) Coons are leery of boxes, in thier attempt to "inspect" a box they will miss another "less conspicious" trap,set directly next to it.

[klkak]

Thanks no temper here my friend. I do hope for everyones input. Alternatives to the common and mundane equipment that we carry. and it is correct "simple is Better" . I have also trapped every thing from crickets to wild Boar, and if you are using only whats out there in nature,to trap with the rules change. For instance.. try catching a raccoon in a box trap, then send me a picture of it,sounds easy Right? try it. (A second trap near to the first is what works good.) Coons are leery of boxes, in thier attempt to "inspect" a box they will miss another "less conspicious" trap,set directly next to it.

I would accept your challenge but we don't have coon in Alaska. When I was young I trapped allot of coon. My favorite set was a type of "cobby set". I would dig a hole in a creek bank, throw a piece of bait into it and set my trap in the opening (usually a snare). It was very effective. The hides were sold for about a dollar each and we ate the coon. This was in the early 70's.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Ive seen that kind of trap. thanks for telling me how it works.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

That reminds me i have a couple fishing poles that arent busy, I may try to do some spring pole tests with those this weekend.

[Pict]

In Brazil I lived under a very credible death threat for way longer than anyone would want to. The most dangerous times are when you are on a schedule that you can't get off of, like when you leave for things that take place on schedule. Normally you have much more latitude on when you get home at night. Vary routine, vary route, circle the block and come back after checking your own property, make sure the dogs are there to greet you, check the street from the upstairs windows before leaving. Pay attention to who is following when close to home... You would be surprised how much of a persons weekly movement takes place at almost the same time every week. Very much of our daily activity can be observed from a distance and worked into a plan. It is a stressful way to live. Mac

[crashdive123]

Mac, was the threat due to your missionary work?