What Ever Happened....

[crashdive123]

What ever happened to the days when, as kids you just went out and played? When school was out you left the house in the morning, sometimes came home for lunch (or found something in the woods or at the shore to eat), usually came home for dinner (families actually ate dinner together not too long ago). It just seems that kids nowadays (NOT THOSE PARTICIPATING ON THIS FORUM) are being turned into whimps. Here's some evidence. http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20089039&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=635049&rfi=6

[laughing beetle]

:mad:what the??? How in ??? WHO??? :confused::confused: micromanaging parents who wont let their kids be kids. The kids could be learning teamwork and sportsmanship.

[canid]

one of my favorite things about growing up in alaska was summer time, when i didn't have to be in till dark. lease favorite; winter time, when it was still dark when i left for school and dark again before school let out.

[Riverrat]

Around here we went out after breakfest, and did not come in till dark, except for dinner (supper, which ever you call it). We played in the woods, played in the river, and had a blast. TV was something for rainy days. When we played sports, the parents supported us but did not interfere with the game, after all it is just a game. Kids around here now would not know what it is like to spend a day in the woods without an ATV, they do not miss meals at home, and would not know how to make one if mom did not do it for them, most of then anyway. Funny, when I was a kid and we seen a cop in the area, we all waved, and would always head out to talk and have a few laughs with him, now, the kids are usually why the cops are here. Thats progress I guess......

[Beowulf65]

See the parents are complaining that one kid is better than another instead of saying go out there and try your best. Playing a better team can only make one better, but the kids lil feelings got hurt so they complained, well in the real world things aren't always easy and you don't always get what you want or the best options, and I agree the offical who has a chair at the barbers is doing it for his team.
Bunch of cry baby losers teaching there kids to be cry baby losers and weak minded. No wonder our youth is so weak (not intended for youth here that are not weak minded cry babies)

[smokelessfire]

slowly(?) but surely, our survival genes are being bred out of us. that is why this site is so important, and why going out on these treks and doing it is so important. god how i can't take the company of yuppies. they are marshmallows. not only soft of body, but of mind and spirit too. they will gladly pay way more to have work done than the job is worth because they can't or won't even attempt it themselves, and they seriously have no common sense. they are a literal physical danger to themselves and those around them.(ever get behind one in traffic? OMG! scary!). not enough hunting/gathering/sneaking/running for your life, etc. lol. forgive me for this, cuz i'm not much better, but i am 1/8 indian, and i guess i still have some of that left in me. i mean, i am still only 4 generations away from stone age living, no? how much is the average european american? too much indoor society around here.

[trax]

This is such a cool thread. You guys actually grew up? I'm gonna try that one of these days, I mean it, I am.

[Rick]

I don't think it's breading or lazy or any of that. Our information needs change over time and we change to adapt to the information. Bread had been the staple of meals for centuries with some protein when it was available. Once we figured out how to make protein safe and abundant, bread fell out of favor. We learned how to mass produce bread about the same time. How many folks know how to bake bread from scratch? Not many because they don't need to. Our information needs changed. Does that make us weak or stupid. No, it's just us evolving. At least that's the way I see it.

I'm with you though smokeless. I also think that's why this forum is important. I posted somewhere else that I love modern information. But we have allowed ancient information to be forgotten while assimilating the new information and that's a mistake, I think. That's one of the reasons I got back into canning, dehydrating, learning about edible plants, etc.

I think there is plenty of space in our pea brains for both.

[Beowulf65]

I don't think it's breading or lazy or any of that. Our information needs change over time and we change to adapt to the information. Bread had been the staple of meals for centuries with some protein when it was available. Once we figured out how to make protein safe and abundant, bread fell out of favor. We learned how to mass produce bread about the same time. How many folks know how to bake bread from scratch? Not many because they don't need to. Our information needs changed. Does that make us weak or stupid. No, it's just us evolving. At least that's the way I see it.

WTF? What are you talking about? Bread? Now bacon I could understand that it goes with everything. But bred and bread are two different things. And as for the parents and coach complaining that one kid was to good to play against their sons is just cry baby crap, and only a loser would complain about "He's too good and it hurts our kids feelings." Yeah that is cry baby crap and in my books makes them losers. Life ain't fair, its real, and in real life others are better than your kids at things so suc it up and drive on would have been my reply. Whinny cry baby azz parents need to get with real life, your kid sucs at a sport so what, its just a sport, a sport is a game, who gives a f**k if one kid is better than another, maybe your kid is good at football and the other kid sucs, its just a game.

[Dennis K.]

I'm with you though smokeless. I also think that's why this forum is important. I posted somewhere else that I love modern information. But we have allowed ancient information to be forgotten while assimilating the new information and that's a mistake, I think. That's one of the reasons I got back into canning, dehydrating, learning about edible plants, etc.

I think there is plenty of space in our pea brains for both.

Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!
Rick wins the prize!

We are so caught up in "if we can" that we never ask "if we should."
- Malcolm
- Jurassic Park

It is a root cause of our take-it-for-granted, consumable society.

Too bad about the kid playing baseball, though. As a parent, I can kinda see both sides of the argument. They shouldn't put the kid in the middle, though.

I wonder if the TX Rangers know about him. They could use the pitching talent....

[trax]

Bread? Protein? I'm pretty sure we were munching on dead beasties before we were opening bakeries there Richie Rich.

[mtman22]

WOW what complete BULL!!!! when i was a kid i sucked at sports i was skinny and tall, couldnt run fast, hit a baseball worth a darn, realy the only thing i could do is rebound in basket ball because i was taller than any one else but i couldnt do anything once i got the ball so i always passed it. but i tried it all, had fun accepted that there are others that are better than me but i had fun, i was part of the team and they always included me. I learned how to play as a team and that i cant always be the best and that life some times sucks but you can either enjoy it or cry about it.

[crashdive123]

The thing that those sad parents are teaching their kids is that if you face adversity in your life just quit. Don't try and overcome obstacles and better yourself, just quit. What a lost opportunity for a lot of kids.

[Beowulf65]

I totally agree Crash, you said what I wanted to but it came out as a rant. Hope it didn't offend anyone.

[Bibow]

good thing you put that your not making fun of me. i agree though

[Rick]

bred and bread are two different things

Man! I can't get anything by you!

Mtman, even though you were crummy at sports I'll bet you make a great target in dodgeball. Me, on the other hand, I had sports all locked up. See, I knew I would be chosen last on whatever team had to pick last in whatever sport was being played. That way I didn't even have to stand in line. I could just lay in the shade and wait for some "captain" to say, "Do we have too?" That was my signal!

[FVR]

Oh, I so sucked at sports. I joke with my wife that the nebish girls were picked before me. I was so bad, that Suzy who was a great athlete, who I just happen to have a crush on, who was always picked first before the boys, she would always nudge the team capt. to pick me. She was a sweetie.

But, I went out for sports; baseball, soccer, hockey, track and wrestling in hs. I still sucked.

My goal in baseball was to not strike out, which was usually the case. But hey, the coach win or lose always took us out to Dairy Queen.


The reason for our problems, look at those running for office. One, a hero, the other who has the mentality to raise certain taxes not because they are needed, but rather because "it's just fair."

This filters down to school sports where competition is not encouraged, there are no winners. That was a big problem for me when I with my first wife would play softball with her church. Everybody was goody goody, touchy feely, we are out here to have fun. Bullsheot!! I play to win baby! I work hard, I play hard.

We send out sons to school, encourage them to take up sports, rough sports like football, then after a game or a hard practice, we want them to just open a valve and loose all that aggression and testosterone. It does not work.

We watch football, ultimate fighting, mixed martial arts, rugby, soccer, hockey and a host of other physical sports, just to sit there and basically dream that we are doing it. When our sons want to do it, we say okay, but don't hurt anyone.

One reason for this societal failure is that our sons are being taught by woman. They are being taught by woman to be woman. My son came home last week, he was put on yellow. (not good by wifes standards)

Last night I met with the kind. teacher, I said "heard my son made it to yellow" she said "yes he did" I said "hooyah!!!" My wife interjected "he's happy about it."

He ll yes I'm happy about it. He's a boy! He needs to act like a boy! Sheot, he only has pe once a week in school, yeh, they take that out of the everyday arena, they also reduce the outside play time.

And the teachers wonder why the boys act up in class.


Our social experiment is failing.

[Sarge47]

WOW what complete BULL!!!! when i was a kid i sucked at sports i was skinny and tall, couldnt run fast, hit a baseball worth a darn, realy the only thing i could do is rebound in basket ball because i was taller than any one else but i couldnt do anything once i got the ball so i always passed it. but i tried it all, had fun accepted that there are others that are better than me but i had fun, I was part of the team and they always included me. I learned how to play as a team and that i cant always be the best and that life some times sucks but you can either enjoy it or cry about it.
I can relate, mtman, you sound a lot like I was. In football, I was the ball, in wrestling I was the guy that got pinned in under 5 seconds. My main interests in H.S., besides girls, were Thespians, Chess, & creative writing. I had to learn Jiu-Jitsu just to defend myself. Karate was too hard on me. However we had one guy who could outplay anybody anywhere, be it Basketball or Football. Because the Coach's IQ was larger than his shoe size, he didn't pull him from the team, just used him to kick the butts of the other schools who had to play us! (N'yah! N'yah!) I loved watching that guy mop up the floor with the competition. Here's the ironic thing; he was a black student in a predominately white High School. One night he won a basketball game practically single-handed & the crowd carried him off the floor in triumph! Today they'd of probably lynched him! Who says things are improving?:confused:

[smokelessfire]

weird. you guys all sucked at physical things? i was the best, despite my skinny scrawny physique. i dunno, i just had to win at all costs. kinda like wilderness survival. that bear may or may not kill me, but either way he's gonna pay like hell with my last breath. don't get me wrong, i knew how to cooperate with teammates, but they had better do their part right, or its on brotha. and they were the same way. any whiners got their azzes kicked. idunno man, it sounds like some people on here are just computer geeks with great research skills. great minds but not much else. sorry, its just what it looks like. great minds are good for theorizing, but you need the drive, the willpower!

[nell67]

That was totally rude and uncalled for!

[FVR]

Nell, no worries, it's just talk. One needs to know their weakness' and work on them. That's what survival and primitive skills are all about.

Anyone who comes to a site and profess' to be an expert or the best, ahhh, makes ya wonder.

[crashdive123]

weird. you guys all sucked at physical things? i was the best, despite my skinny scrawny physique. i dunno, i just had to win at all costs. kinda like wilderness survival. that bear may or may not kill me, but either way he's gonna pay like hell with my last breath. don't get me wrong, i knew how to cooperate with teammates, but they had better do their part right, or its on brotha. and they were the same way. any whiners got their azzes kicked. idunno man, it sounds like some people on here are just computer geeks with great research skills. great minds but not much else. sorry, its just what it looks like. great minds are good for theorizing, but you need the drive, the willpower!

Smokeless - Let me see if I understand this. A few forum members out of 1,934 say that they weren't into sports growing up and you pick that opportunity to ......how did you put it.....despite your skinny, scrawny physique, you had to win at all costs. You then go on to insult forum members because....what.....does it change the fact that you have a skinny, scrawny physique and it makes you feel better to say that? Do you feel that you had or have something to prove? It may be a bit presumptuous of you to think that there are just a bunch of computer geeks and nothing else. I've got a hunch that face to face you may feel a bit differently. You were way off base with that comment.

[nell67]

I know FVR,talk is probably all he has ever been good at.;)

[FVR]

When all my friends were playing football and hockey, well when I wasn't playing hockey, I was in the woods killing rabbits with my old lemonwood bow or hunting ducks on the river.

While my friends were playing baseball and running track, I was down at the Delaware river, fishing for carp, catfish, eels and swimming with those that were not scared to.

I once passed on a chance at an evening with a very friendly girl in hs because word came in that the blues were running up the beach at seaside.

I spent alot of time in the woods and on the river living a dream.

Would not change a thing.


I still suck at sports. Given the choice of sitting on my butt and watching sports or walking in the woods, the woods win everytime.

Now, if ya want to get a game of animal ball football or basketball, I'm in. Ya wanna play some hockey, hope ya don't mind a good check. If ya want to play a game of baseball, I'll give ya 100%, just don't block that base............................

[crashdive123]

FVR - judging from the pics of you tossing knives, I'd say you've got a pretty good throwing motion. Being athletic isn't all about playing organized sports.

[Assassin Pilot]

That is crazy. Not being allowed to play for being good. What is this world coming to?!

[Sarge47]

weird. you guys all sucked at physical things? i was the best, despite my skinny scrawny physique. i dunno, i just had to win at all costs. kinda like wilderness survival. that bear may or may not kill me, but either way he's gonna pay like hell with my last breath. don't get me wrong, i knew how to cooperate with teammates, but they had better do their part right, or its on brotha. and they were the same way. any whiners got their azzes kicked. idunno man, it sounds like some people on here are just computer geeks with great research skills. great minds but not much else. sorry, its just what it looks like. great minds are good for theorizing, but you need the drive, the willpower!
Uh, smokeless, what are you looking for here? The medal you didn't get in High School or the chest you never had to pin it on? You wanna insult me have at it! But lay off the Pack! You wanna "cross pawns" with me? I'll mate you in less than 20, I'll bet. The topic here is not how great you were dispite your puny frame, but how unjust the actions of others were & the effect they had on some young people.:cool:

[Rick]

I get what you're saying Mtman but you've come to the wrong conclusion. 1) People don't mature at the same rate. Some bloom later than others. If I had the mental fortitude as a teenage that I do as an adult I'd probably have been a lot better at sports. 2) Some folks just don't care about sports. I played with my kids and now my grandkids but never really cared for sports. I played golf and didn't even enjoy it. Just part of the job thing. 3) Nothing wrong with having a great mind and being able to research. It's called detail oriented. Who would you rather have build your house, boat, car, plane....someone detailed oriented or, well, you? 4) Why do you assume that having been good sports somehow makes you better? Being good at baseball doesn't translate well to be a good shot or a good trapper or a good anything in the wild. I don't think football, soccer, basketball, hockey or track translate all that well either. It doesn't matter how fast you were in high school you do slow down when you get older. It's better to out think that bear than try to out run it.:D

You need to reassess your conclusion and you'll find the simple answer is that folks are all different. I'll bet if we took you out of the school environment you were in and placed you in a different environment you would have sucked at sports. The comparative value is only good when all the variables are the same (I looked that up:rolleyes:). Who knows? Perhaps I would have excelled in sports at your school.

[smokelessfire]

yeah, bears and wildcats and things CAN be rude, you're right. maybe if you whine at it, it'll decide not to eat you.

[Rick]

Let's let it stop here before it becomes something more.

[Riverrat]

I can't get over how some people think sports are so great. I played basketball in school, for three games, then went back to the woods to do what I really liked, games are just that, games. Smokeless, why do you think we whine, I was using a power saw at 13 cutting wood to heat our house, then would go play a game of pick up ball, FOR FUN. I live in the woods, I heat my house with wood, I hunt and fish, I also work as a paramedic. My life is phyiscial, not a game. Alot of the lads and ladys on here are in the same boat, they work hard and live real phyiscal lives, thier willpower is used to stay alive, not play some silly kids game.

[trax]

Let's let it stop here before it becomes something more.

Ummm, no....let's not

smokeless, since your last post...why don't you tell us the sum total of your face to face experience with bears and wildcats. You'd be too busy slipping in your own s*it trying to run away to even know if you were whining or not.

[Dennis K.]

weird. you guys all sucked at physical things? i was the best, despite my skinny scrawny physique. i dunno, i just had to win at all costs. kinda like wilderness survival. that bear may or may not kill me, but either way he's gonna pay like hell with my last breath. don't get me wrong, i knew how to cooperate with teammates, but they had better do their part right, or its on brotha. and they were the same way. any whiners got their azzes kicked. idunno man, it sounds like some people on here are just computer geeks with great research skills. great minds but not much else. sorry, its just what it looks like. great minds are good for theorizing, but you need the drive, the willpower!

heh. the great mind knows "Bear vs. Man = Bear wins." Duh. bigger - stronger - dense fur - claws - teeth - speed. All that vs. YOU.
I'll favor the great mind over you making the bear "pay like hell" any day.

Dennis (who is smart enough to not tangle with a bear) K.

[trax]

that bear may or may not kill me, but either way he's gonna pay like hell with my last breath.

Hey Dennis?

I'm just guessing here but I'd have to say, really, really, really bad breath.

[tacmedic]

Just because someone was good at sports in high school doesn't mean squat after high school. How many jocks from high school do you see that amount to anything after high school? I know the jocks from my high school didn't amount to anything. I think one of them managed to make inmate of the month at the state penn. I played basketball until I broke my knee, and after that the coach didn't even let me finish out the season on the bench. After that I went back to my first loves, kyuki-do karate and spending time outdoors. I agree with riverrat; reality is a lot more important to be good at than a make believe sport.

[Dennis K.]

Hey Dennis?

I'm just guessing here but I'd have to say, really, really, really bad breath.

****spews coffee through nose on monitor*****
ROFLMAO!!!!

[Beowulf65]

Originally Posted by smokelessfire http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?p=69162#post69162)
that bear may or may not kill me, but either way he's gonna pay like hell with my last breath.

This has to be a joke.... because its funny azz he11. And I wanna ticket to that fight. You really think you and all your brutish strength (skinny scrawny physique or not) fighting for your life can stand up to a 1000 lbs. or more of bear claws, teeth, strength, and primal fury if it wants to make a smokeless snack out of you? That bear won't feel a thing you do to it, other than get annoyed even more by you.
Come on people this is a joke right.

[Beowulf65]

tacmedic,
Now I was no jock but I ran cross country, and was a student of Aikido. I turned out alright... well the Army straightened me out. But I agree the big football, baseball, basketball studs didn't end up doing much. Several are in prison, one is disabled from showing off, most have huge beer guts, the big football hero here turned out to be gay (no joke), I arrest one about every three months for drugs, ones got a revolving door ticket as he's a wino in the city, and ones on his fifth wife because his drinking has become so bad. Tried to talk to them but they blow me off. I dunno but being the best at everything got them nowhere, this is not to say all jocks turn out this way we have many in professional sports (but their usually dumb as nails) and just look at Cincinnati's Chris Henry.

[Beowulf65]

Ummm, no....let's not

Now that was funny... rotlmao!!! Sorry I just thought it was funny no offense Rick.