Martial Law

[BraggSurvivor]

If they come and try and take YOUR guns, what would YOU do?
In this video, I'm guessing the clergy will blindly try to help "keep the peace", while at the same time, bind the will and minds of "free people".
http://vidzking.com/Tags/Martial-Law-1

Arkansas town on lock down "Martial Law"
This is the second time we've seen a domestic "surge" with police imposing a martial law-style clampdown; the first was in DC a few weeks ago. This will quickly become a trend, and then standard procedure in quite a few communities, I suspect.
http://vidzking.com/Tags/Arkansas-town-lock-down-Martial-Law

IMO, you'll do as you are damn well told, or your arse is headed for the funeral home my friends. Today's law enforcement officers aren't going to pussyfoot around with you in a no-knock raid -- you resist the law and you are DEAD, period.

Look at the raid in Maryland last week or so where the mayor of a small town was found to be dealing marijuana. A SWAT team kicked in the front door, killed his dogs (chasing one down to kill it), laughing all the while. He's lucky he wasn't killed himself -- he would have been had he resisted.

Most of the new recruits in law enforcement today are Iraq war vets, and these men and women are VI-OH-LENT. If you think they can't take your guns you had better think again.

Thoughts there tough guys?

[Rick]

Voilent vets? May I suggest you begin practicing the art of duck and cover while I step away? My guess is there is going to be some fallout on this post. This would be me leaving......

[Sourdough]

Yes, and "WE" still (for the time being) have more gun rights than most of the world.

This morning I jumped a two/three year old Black Bear at about 8 feet. I watched him spray Blue Berries, and I just was able to keep my blue berries onboard. I just don't see them taking Alaskans firearms.

Black-Guns might someday need a $200.- BATF&E stamp. But I cannot see no firearms.

I could See a "NEW" government....If they tried that.

[Sam Reeves]

Could this be the birth pains of a revolution?

Folks tend to like their guns.

[ryaninmichigan]

I am not a law breaker so anyone entring my house without an invite, Cops or not will get the same treatment. I guess I will dye.....

[crashdive123]

Sorry Bragg, not even worth commenting on.

[Sam Reeves]

Superior numbers usually win.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08112008/news/regionalnews/coney_island_mob_beats_ex_marines_rescui_123919.ht m

[MickToren]

You're joking right? You need to get your facts straight.

The Mayor of that town in Maryland was not dealing drugs..at all. He was randomly implicated in a drug-ring scheme. The suppliers would mail the drugs to unsuspecting, random citizens, and before the residents would find the drugs, dealers would intercept the packages. The drug suppliers happened to mail the drugs to the Mayor's residence, with his wife's name on the package, when the police decided to conduct a raid.

The police were over-zealous in this instance, but it is a rare case at best.

Also, please cite your statistic and sources for your comment regarding the fact that "most" new law enforcement recruits are Iraq War veterans.

On top of that, please cite a study labeling a majority of Iraq War veterans as violent.

EDIT - ..Ignorance like this disgusts me.

[Rick]

Chill out there Mickster. You haven't been around long enough to "understand" Bragg. He means well and we love him but he's a great deal like a very old junk yard dog. Mostly bark.:D

[Sam Reeves]

The police were over-zealous in this instance, but it is a rare case at best.


It's not that rare.

[MickToren]

Chill out there Mickster. You haven't been around long enough to "understand" Bragg. He means well and we love him but he's a great deal like a very old junk yard dog. Mostly bark.:D

My apologies, I'm just very protective of veterans. It also irks me when people proclaim blantantly false things across the internet.

[Rick]

Well, maybe not blatantly false. False, yeah but blatantly may be a bit too blatant. If you know what I mean.;)

[canid]

yeah; it kinda works on the same principle by which all vietnam veterans are baby killers. it was such a popular notion it must be true.

i take such sentiments with a grain of salt. i don't think much of this war, but our fighting men and women are our citizens, and several are my personal friends, so i know what kind of people we have on the front lines and the support structure of our conflicts.

[Ole WV Coot]

I wasn't thrilled with Vietnam either and not so much with this one, but no way in hell am I NOT gonna support every man & woman in uniform and that goes for the scouts also. And since I best comment on Bragg's statement. "Come to WV & E. KY and try and find a slingshot to confiscate, nobody around here owns a firearms."

[crashdive123]

Oh that's right. There's that little pesky gun registry up north.

[Sam Reeves]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2056681/posts

[smokelessfire]

i will follow my old friend's advice. he was a conspiracy talk show host. he said if they come for you, go peacefully. what are you gonna do, hole up in your house with tons a guns and ammo and have a shootemup? no. you fire once nowadays and they aim the rocket launcher or tank at your house(hopefully after clearing the neighborhood) and you house goes boom, turns to dust and you with it, FOOL!

[catfish10101]

....................when they pry them from my cold dead fingers.

[bulrush]

Remember Ruby Ridge (shooting a woman in the head holding a deadly armed baby)! LA Police (sodomizing handcuffed civilians)! David Koresh (burning children and unarmed civilians in a barn)!

Yes, overzealousness happens sometimes, it doesn't seem to be the rule in the US though.

[Beo]

First of all being a cop and vet I take offense to "Most of the new recruits in law enforcement today are Iraq war vets, and these men and women are VI-OH-LENT." Show me the proof. Because they were in a WAR does not make them violent when here at home.
I am not a violent cop, and "police were over-zealous" anyone here ever been on SWAT, I am on SRT here and when you go in to do a raid, drug bust, or serve a high risk warrant you get amped up, not by others but by human nature of the adrenaline that pumps into your system going in to do a nerve racking thing most of the guys I know on SWAT and SRT are quiet before going in because they're thinking of what they have to do. And SR, what the he11 aren't you against.
If the cops are told to enforce Martial Law then it will be done and they are following orders, no one is taking your gun rights away and Bragg quote the whole thing instead of just parts starting a war of words here.
And to tell you the truth, I don't know about your SWAT teams but here with ours, ryaninmichigan or anyone else with all that macho crap, it'd take us about 3 seconds to get in your house and see you with a gun and stitch you up the middle with quick burst if it was pointed our way.
So saying you'll fight is ridiculous, and the guns took during martial law, just like we had here during the riots, were tagged and returned to the owners when the curfew and law was lifted. Relax people.

[Beo]

If it were China, or Europe you'd be shot without question, it is not the rule here.
SR, that was good link you had, but it nothing to do with the police being over zealous or wrong. I don't agree with taking guns from Americans, but I will do my job. Now if it were to take the rights of firearms from the people forever, then I'd have a problem, as would most cops I know. Because no one is taking my flintlock from me... not while I live and breath... ever, and then I'm gonna come back and haunt them till they croak.:D
Relax people.

[BraggSurvivor]

A gun is needed in a free society. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

[Ole WV Coot]

Vets were "tagged" during Vietnam with everything you can think of and I do believe our Government bought a lot of that crap. During the riots in '68 in Washington, DC a company fresh out of the bush were sent to Anacostia. If you know DC you know it's a military station. The "powers to be" would NOT use them because they "assumed" they would be too violent and instead used the DC Guard, the biggest bunch of misfits I have ever seen disgrace a uniform. I apologize if any of you were in the DC Guard but I stand by what I said, and I am gonna try to NEVER mention anything I did or saw between '63 & '73, but vets a danger gets me hot.

[ryaninmichigan]

i will follow my old friend's advice. he was a conspiracy talk show host. he said if they come for you, go peacefully. what are you gonna do, hole up in your house with tons a guns and ammo and have a shootemup? no. you fire once nowadays and they aim the rocket launcher or tank at your house(hopefully after clearing the neighborhood) and you house goes boom, turns to dust and you with it, FOOL!

I will die free on my feet before I am held for no lawful reason.

[ryaninmichigan]

A gun is needed in a free society. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

What was one of the first things Hitler did? Got rid of the guns.

[Beo]

Dude your so dramatic.

[Beo]

SR the link you gave... free republic.com, for them to use a military Hoo-yah is ridiculous and absurd and I feel sorry for the Marine Corps since they say it too. Its run by a bunch of suit wearing pencil pushers who are yuppie freaks.

[Sam Reeves]

. And SR, what the he11 aren't you against.


I hope it alright with you if I oppose the law coming and taking my guns.

[Sam Reeves]

If it were China, or Europe you'd be shot without question, it is not the rule here.
SR, that was good link you had, but it nothing to do with the police being over zealous or wrong. I don't agree with taking guns from Americans, but I will do my job. Now if it were to take the rights of firearms from the people forever, then I'd have a problem, as would most cops I know. Because no one is taking my flintlock from me... not while I live and breath... ever, and then I'm gonna come back and haunt them till they croak.:D
Relax people.You mean like after Katrina?

[gourdhead1997]

"Come to WV & E. KY and try and find a slingshot to confiscate, nobody around here owns a firearms."

Western Ky has removed all of their guns also. I do not own 3 shotguns, one 30/30, one 22 and two handguns. Relax people. Pay attention to what is going on and if the knuckleheads in office keep screwing with your rights. Vote 'em out of office and get somebody in there that represents your views. That's why we have free elections. If the government takes away our rights then we have no one to blame but ourselves.
As for if they come to take my guns, what guns? I don't own no stinkin' guns!

[Sam Reeves]

"Come to WV & E. KY and try and find a slingshot to confiscate, nobody around here owns a firearms."

Western Ky has removed all of their guns also. I do not own 3 shotguns, one 30/30, one 22 and two handguns. Relax people. Pay attention to what is going on and if the knuckleheads in office keep screwing with your rights. Vote 'em out of office and get somebody in there that represents your views. That's why we have free elections. If the government takes away our rights then we have no one to blame but ourselves.
As for if they come to take my guns, what guns? I don't own no stinkin' guns!

The problem is that people can't decide whether they want rights or an easy life provided to them via a socialist leader.

[klkak]

If they come and try and take YOUR guns, what would YOU do?
In this video, I'm guessing the clergy will blindly try to help "keep the peace", while at the same time, bind the will and minds of "free people".
http://vidzking.com/Tags/Martial-Law-1

Arkansas town on lock down "Martial Law"
This is the second time we've seen a domestic "surge" with police imposing a martial law-style clampdown; the first was in DC a few weeks ago. This will quickly become a trend, and then standard procedure in quite a few communities, I suspect.
http://vidzking.com/Tags/Arkansas-town-lock-down-Martial-Law

IMO, you'll do as you are damn well told, or your arse is headed for the funeral home my friends. Today's law enforcement officers aren't going to pussyfoot around with you in a no-knock raid -- you resist the law and you are DEAD, period.

Look at the raid in Maryland last week or so where the mayor of a small town was found to be dealing marijuana. A SWAT team kicked in the front door, killed his dogs (chasing one down to kill it), laughing all the while. He's lucky he wasn't killed himself -- he would have been had he resisted.

Most of the new recruits in law enforcement today are Iraq war vets, and these men and women are VI-OH-LENT. If you think they can't take your guns you had better think again.

Thoughts there tough guys?

I would let them take every gun they knew about or found. I would not resist law enforcement at all.:D

[klkak]

Most of the new recruits in law enforcement today are Iraq war vets, and these men and women are VI-OH-LENT. If you think they can't take your guns you had better think again.

By the way, I and others on here might just be an Iraqi war vet. Unless you know us personally don't refer to us as being "VI-OH-LENT". That is not cool. If you have an opinion about the war or the war veterans "KEEP IT TO YOURSELF". This is not the place to discuss such things.:mad:

[klkak]

First of all being a cop and vet I take offense to "Most of the new recruits in law enforcement today are Iraq war vets, and these men and women are VI-OH-LENT." Show me the proof. Because they were in a WAR does not make them violent when here at home.
I am not a violent cop, and "police were over-zealous" anyone here ever been on SWAT, I am on SRT here and when you go in to do a raid, drug bust, or serve a high risk warrant you get amped up, not by others but by human nature of the adrenaline that pumps into your system going in to do a nerve racking thing most of the guys I know on SWAT and SRT are quiet before going in because they're thinking of what they have to do. And SR, what the he11 aren't you against.
If the cops are told to enforce Martial Law then it will be done and they are following orders, no one is taking your gun rights away and Bragg quote the whole thing instead of just parts starting a war of words here.
And to tell you the truth, I don't know about your SWAT teams but here with ours, ryaninmichigan or anyone else with all that macho crap, it'd take us about 3 seconds to get in your house and see you with a gun and stitch you up the middle with quick burst if it was pointed our way.
So saying you'll fight is ridiculous, and the guns took during martial law, just like we had here during the riots, were tagged and returned to the owners when the curfew and law was lifted. Relax people.

Beo, again you hit the nail on the head. That is why I would peacefully give the law every gun they knew about or found in my house. If the cops wanted to arrest me I would not resist in the least. I swore an oath once to uphold the laws of this country and to defend her against all enemies both foreign and domestic. I am not about to become an enemy of my country.:)

[FVR]

Ahhhhhhh..........Bragg just pissed off because his gold values or dropping.

He needs something in stir the pot.

Oh yeh, and you wonder why I live in Georgia. I have no problem just moving up the road to Alabama.


My belief, when the police say drop it, hands in the air, I say, how high.

I once asked a Sherrif why in Lithonia, they shot a lady who would not put down a butcher knife. The gent, knowing me, asked, "so, you have a butcher knife in your hand, how far you accurate" my response, "15 yards in the pie plate."

His response "I'd shoot you dead." We laughed, I understand.

[BraggSurvivor]

By the way, I and others on here might just be an Iraqi war vet. Unless you know us personally don't refer to us as being "VI-OH-LENT". That is not cool. If you have an opinion about the war or the war veterans "KEEP IT TO YOURSELF". This is not the place to discuss such things.:mad:

I said "most" vets have the tendency to be more "VI-OH-LENT" before and especially after service. I personally know 6 friends who are not the people they were after they got back..... my brother being one of them. (now with the Golden BC. RCMP detachment)

This is only one reason: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/91462/investigation_confirms_army_taking_more_and_more_r ecruits_with_criminal_histories_/

This post was not intended to offend anyone........so suck it up there buttercup. ;)

[BraggSurvivor]

Ahhhhhhh..........Bragg just pissed off because his gold values or dropping.

He needs something in stir the pot.

Oh yeh, and you wonder why I live in Georgia. I have no problem just moving up the road to Alabama.


My belief, when the police say drop it, hands in the air, I say, how high.

I once asked a Sherrif why in Lithonia, they shot a lady who would not put down a butcher knife. The gent, knowing me, asked, "so, you have a butcher knife in your hand, how far you accurate" my response, "15 yards in the pie plate."

His response "I'd shoot you dead." We laughed, I understand.


My PM's are doing just fine FVR, I'm not worried......you will see. ;)

Alabama, why Alabama?

[Beo]

I know a lot more than 6 vets who were in everything from Vietnam to Grenada to Operation Iraqi Freedom, and still in now. When they come home they are not violent, never were violent when they come home, and still are not violent. So MOST vets are not violent. That was just a wrong statement.

[BraggSurvivor]

I know a lot more than 6 vets who were in everything from Vietnam to Grenada to Operation Iraqi Freedom, and still in now. When they come home they are not violent, never were violent when they come home, and still are not violent. So MOST vets are not violent. That was just a wrong statement.


I take it back. I admit that don't know allot of vets and maybe I was talking out my arse. My opoligies to everyone, especially you vets.

[BraggSurvivor]

Oh, and also anyone serving in a police department.....;)

[bulrush]

Just because "60 Minutes" does a segment profiling 2 vets that are violent when they return, does not make "all" or "most" returning vets violent.

Thank you, vets, for your service. And special thanks go to the Vietnam vets, because they got treated so crappy by the hippies when they got back.

[bulrush]

I once asked a Sherrif why in Lithonia, they shot a lady who would not put down a butcher knife. The gent, knowing me, asked, "so, you have a butcher knife in your hand, how far you accurate" my response, "15 yards in the pie plate."

His response "I'd shoot you dead." We laughed, I understand.

First, I'm not an officer, do not have officer training. However, having tried to throw kitchen cutlery and various hunting knives, I do know they are not made for throwing, and the untrained person is unlikely to hit you with a point. If the person was holding a knife and standing still, not drawing back to throw it, I would use a taser first.

I do know it takes extensive practice to throw unbalanced kitchen knives. It's very difficult, but it can be done. An old lady is not likely to have such training. You play the odds.

If they were moving towards me, or preparing to throw it, and there is no taser, a shot to the foot is all that's needed.

Shooting a meth tweaker holding a knife, that's a totally different scenario. I'd order once to drop the knife, then fire away.

[trax]

bulrush, I've never heard of any LEO who's taught to aim for the foot and the bottom line is you don't know what that person with that knife is capable of whether housewife or tweaker or Frank. How much of a chance do you want to take with your life on any given day?

[Beo]

Well I am a cop and Trax is perfectly correct, and I can say this knowing it is full and true the ALL POLICE AGENCIES are to SHOOT or double tap the DISHPAN i.e. the chest and lower abdomen area, no warning shots or winging them, thats movie crap and if its an old lady then God bless her soul cause I'm setting up the meeting. The threat level goes up by the actions of the intended subject, such as he uses fists, LEO's use mace or PR24, he has a stick I have a tazer, he has anything else I have a gun, he takes a martial arts stance I pull gun, that is our training.
If the threat is moving I got a shotgun for larger shot pattern (just kidding) If the threat is their hands moving or walking the chest area is the biggest target and moves slower. Just how it is folks. I have trained with police from all over the U.S. and the training is basically the same.

[crashdive123]

Center body mass. Keep firing until the threat has been removed.

[Rick]

The only thing I'd throw is a fit.

[Beo]

Yup you got it.

[Ole WV Coot]

I personally was taught what is called the "Mozambique Drill", double tap to the chest, one to the head.

[FVR]

Bulrush,

I've been throwing knives for over 15 years.

Steak knife, butcher knife, pocket knife, butter knife, bowie knife, Kabar, pioneer knife, you name it, I'll make it stick.

Center mass, all the time.

How are those modern day bullet proof vests, they stopping knives nowdays? In the past they did not.

As far as the lady, hey, all it takes is one lucky throw and you have a dead officer.

Again, if police tells me to drop it, I drop it.

[crashdive123]

Modern vests with ceramic plates added will stop a knife, without the plates, not so much.

[Sam Reeves]

I couldn't shoot an old lady with a knife. The law should just leave and call her family. Y'all don't make the mistake of shooting old women around here that are probably a little loony just because she has a kitchen knife.

[FVR]

Where did the "old" lady come in. I posted a lady, I believe she was in her late 30's and on drugs.

[Sam Reeves]

Where did the "old" lady come in. I posted a lady, I believe she was in her late 30's and on drugs.

Post #44. Sorry, I should have quoted it. :o

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