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wareagle69
06-22-2008, 08:02 AM
i have stocked a few pounds of flour in the freezer but would like to buy a food mill(hand not electric) and but wheat hole but where to buy what kind and am i calling it proper?

crashdive123
06-22-2008, 09:26 AM
Here’s some info on purchasing. http://www.ehow.com/how_2085913_buy-whole-grains-home-milling.html

This isn’t for grinding into flour, but you may be interested.

Quote: “First, look up your local feed and seed store, even in a city, and call them. Ask if they have, or can order, 50 to 60 pounds of hard red winter wheat, untreated (treated seed is strictly for planting). There is no reason they should not be able to provide it.”

Found it on this site - http://www.kurtsaxon.com/foods002.htm

It has some interesting info.

Sourdough
06-22-2008, 11:20 AM
Wareagle, for Oats and Barley. I pay about $17.50 to $20.00 per 100 Pounds for bulk.

One idea is to plow-up an acre or two, and hand cast oats, barley, wheat. It should self seed if not harvested.

My plan is to buy 500# every fall, and hand cast 300# every spring. I keep it in a unheated connex over the winter.

Ridge Wolf
06-22-2008, 01:29 PM
i have stocked a few pounds of flour in the freezer but would like to buy a food mill(hand not electric) and but wheat hole but where to buy what kind and am i calling it proper?

Try this site: http://azurestandard.com it is in Dufur, Oregon. They ship out to you. I have no affiliation with them. Type in 'whole wheat' in the search bar. It comes up with finished products as well as bulk raw materials.

canid
06-22-2008, 03:34 PM
it can self seed even if harvested as long as you aren't using a combine. i should mention though that even while hand harvesting [6 row barley, wheat] in washington state, the seed heads never dried out and didn't shatter out at any point and in that kind of dampness, it was hard to get them off the head even while threshing. many actually sprouted on the head. luckily no ergot to speak of, though it was rampant in the local grasses.

wareagle69
06-22-2008, 03:44 PM
uh that sounds like work dude, i was hopeing to buy some wheat store it and mill it when i need it kind of skipping the hard back breaking work, like evryone else

canid
06-22-2008, 03:55 PM
oh yeah. sorry; i lost thread of your original topic.

i can't advise you reliably on the hand powered mills, as the only couple i've tried where hard, back-breaking work, and sometimes only result in course flour. most of them seem to be ill suited for producing good, fine baking flour. reading the reviews would be a good way to judge this quality. my advice would be to get the largest and most durable model you can justify. you can always modify it later, right? an old bicicle for example could power it more easily than an arm, and tire slower at the same time.

Sourdough
06-22-2008, 07:13 PM
Wareagle, Did you know that there is a.....War Eagle Mill that sells what your looking for.

Google: Wareagle

wareagle69
06-22-2008, 07:16 PM
my wife laughs when i google myself

Sam Reeves
06-22-2008, 07:29 PM
I'm considering one of these:

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/store/prep_products/clgmill.html

Chris
06-23-2008, 04:53 PM
What you'd want to look for is "wheat berries" thats what the unprocessed whole kernels are.

Rick
06-23-2008, 06:56 PM
Thanks, Chris. I had never heard the term "wheat berries" before.

From Wikipedia:

"Classes used in the United States are

* Durum — Very hard, translucent, light colored grain used to make semolina flour for pasta.
* Hard Red Spring — Hard, brownish, high protein wheat used for bread and hard baked goods. Bread Flour and high gluten flours are commonly made from hard red spring wheat. It is primarily traded at the Minneapolis Grain Exchange.
* Hard Red Winter — Hard, brownish, mellow high protein wheat used for bread, hard baked goods and as an adjunct in other flours to increase protein in pastry flour for pie crusts. Some brands of unbleached all-purpose flours are commonly made from hard red winter wheat alone. It is primarily traded by the Kansas City Board of Trade. One variety is known as "turkey red wheat", and was brought to Kansas by Mennonite immigrants from Russia.
* Soft Red Winter — Soft, low protein wheat used for cakes, pie crusts, biscuits, and muffins. Cake flour, pastry flour, and some self-rising flours with baking powder and salt added for example, are made from soft red winter wheat. It is primarily traded by the Chicago Board of Trade.
* Hard White — Hard, light colored, opaque, chalky, medium protein wheat planted in dry, temperate areas. Used for bread and brewing.
* Soft White — Soft, light colored, very low protein wheat grown in temperate moist areas. Used for pie crusts and pastry. Pastry flour, for example, is sometimes made from soft white winter wheat.

Hard wheats are harder to process and red wheats may need bleaching. Therefore, soft and white wheats usually command higher prices than hard and red wheats on the commodities market.

Raw wheat berries can be powdered into flour, germinated and dried creating malt, crushed and de-branned into cracked wheat, parboiled (or steamed), dried, crushed and de-branned into bulgur, or processed into semolina, pasta, or roux. They are a major ingredient in such foods as bread, breakfast cereals (e.g. Wheatena, Cream of Wheat, Shredded Wheat), porridge, crackers, biscuits, pancakes, cakes, gravy and boza (a fermented beverage)."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat

Rick
06-23-2008, 07:01 PM
Here's a comparison of hand grinders.

http://kodiakhealth.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/25_36 (http://waltonfeed.com/self/grind5.html)

BraggSurvivor
06-23-2008, 07:04 PM
What you'd want to look for is "wheat berries" thats what the unprocessed whole kernels are.

Just try and find it.

About the only place you can find it around here is from a seed cleaning facility before it gets shipped over seas. Goes for $7.00 a bushel clean.

Rick
06-23-2008, 07:11 PM
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/browseproducts/Hard-Red-Wheat-50-LB.html

http://www.wheatmontana.com/store/index.php

http://www.bobsredmill.com/catalog/index.php?action=showdetails&product_ID=410%C2%A0

BraggSurvivor
06-23-2008, 07:20 PM
Pretty expensive. $68.00 for a 5 gallon bucket full plus shipping.

I'm in the wrong business. ;)

Rick
06-23-2008, 07:21 PM
Cheaper than not finding it. Right?:D

Sourdough
06-23-2008, 07:38 PM
O.K. .....I have a question, I have assumed that if I was hungry enough, That I could just that a bunch of Oats or Barley and pound it with a big hammer and throw it boiling water and have Oatmeal, or Barley meal. Is there a flaw in this plan....???

Chris
06-23-2008, 07:44 PM
I also hear that wheat berries are great for long term storage, measured in years, even a decade.

Yes Hopeak, and technically you wouldn't even have to smash them (just cook them much much longer, soak them overnight even, in a crockpot if you got electricity).

BraggSurvivor
06-23-2008, 07:48 PM
O.K. .....I have a question, I have assumed that if I was hungry enough, That I could just that a bunch of Oats or Barley and pound it with a big hammer and throw it boiling water and have Oatmeal, or Barley meal. Is there a flaw in this plan....???

No. I buy all my feed grains whole (corn, barley and oats) and roll myself with the tractor attachment and store in a grain bin. We have added our cracked corn and barley to soup stocks and you wouldn't know the difference.

Sourdough
06-23-2008, 08:16 PM
Thank You, Now I have found that my dog, wolfs down the Poultry food (Geese & Turkeys) if he can get the lid off the metal trash can I keep there food in. Well the contents are nearly the same. And not much difference from the Hot multi-grain cereals I eat in the winter.

So the Dog food is $9.95 for 50#, the poultry food is $17.50 for 50#, and BOBS RED MILL 10 Grain Hot Cereal is $600.00 for 50# (Just a guess it comes 25 oz. packs)

So why not go to the feed store and buy one food for all of us.......???? REALLY....???

Sourdough
06-24-2008, 02:08 AM
So is there a mix that works for man and beast, or beast and beast.....?

Thinking 60% ground Corn, 20% rolled oats, 15% course ground Wheat, 5% Flax seed.

What you Thunk...?

BraggSurvivor
06-24-2008, 09:15 AM
That much corn is too hot (and too expensive) Use more filler. I wouldn't exceed 18% protein total. My dogs chow down on steer grower and finisher as if were candy. Grain and hanging road kill in winter is all they get.

canid
06-25-2008, 01:23 AM
wheat berries are just mature wheat kernels, and are often sold as just whole wheat or whole wheat kernels. try any whole foods/health food store. i've seldom come across the term 'wheat berries' used explicitly except in the context of mushroom cultivation, where wheat and other grains are used for grain spawn production.

wareagle69
07-01-2008, 08:04 PM
ok found some at the health food store winter red wheat at 1.15 a pound

crashdive123
07-03-2008, 09:25 AM
Here's another source. http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=red+wheat&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=1142732981&ref=pd_sl_8n86j9hwg2_b

wareagle69
07-05-2008, 07:35 AM
came acroos wheat berries yesterday at the bulk barn i guess you can use them w/o milling them also directions said something about boiling in water yadayada yada and they make a great cereal that way so it was at1.09 a lb so i asked the cute manager if there was a discount for large purchases and he said (jk) and she said yes 20% for buisnesses so i told her i had a wilderness adventer co. she took the name and gave me 20%off on all my purchases from now on my wife just laughs at the way she says i flirt with girls i just say i'm being couteous but heck if she could flirt with the bag boy and get 20% off the grocery i would say have at it

Sourdough
07-05-2008, 10:26 AM
WE......It would be interesting if you worked 1/2 a cup over with hammer and rock, or rock and rock, or just grind them between two cinder blocks.

dilligaf2u2
07-20-2008, 06:46 PM
I just put 200 lbs of wheat in 6 gal buckets.

The bucket lids have rubber seals. I drop a few Oxi absorbers in each bucket and snap the lid on. After a few days the lids seem to convex a bit. This tells me I have a air tight seal. Stored this way it a safe for a few decades and then some.

I did corn meal and oats this way too.

I have an elecrtic grinder on order an looking into a hand grinder. I am also looking into ways to use wheat without grinding. Bulger come to mind.

I have flower that TDW got before we got together. This will go in the garden and on my roses. Flower goes stale after 9 months and 12 if it is frozen. I have wheat to grind that should last TDW and I for a few years. Grinding fresh flower makes more sense to me then restocking flower every year.

Don

dilligaf2u2
08-02-2008, 05:50 AM
I have a Country Living Grain Mill. http://countrylivinggrainmills.com/pricing.html

Good mills are not cheap. The flower comes out as smooths as the store bought flower.

By hand it is work to grind more then what I want to use each time I bake.

I get my wheat berries from the local seed and feed. I have also got it from the LDS cannery. Popcorn for corn meal I get at Sam's Club.

Don