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Beo
06-11-2008, 09:09 AM
Listen to this Bragg and tell me what you think.
By Fred Soto

A revolution in America — no matter how you choose to define or characterize it — is still an American Revolution
What happens when the threat to American government comes from within? There is the subtle and invisible war that is taking place at home. This War is between Americans with different understandings of what it means to be “American” and what it means to be “Free”. This war will NOT take place in the trenches and won’t be won with guns or knives.This revolutionary war is taking place among America’s elite over control of our nation’s future. What better way to spearhead the revolution than the advancement of technology? The revolutionary charge from libertarians and anti-war liberals has already started to make members of the establishment a bit nervous. Radicals want change and there will be no compromise on one key idea: Defending liberty at home is essential to fighting the “war on terror” ™ and necessary to restore our Constitution as the supreme law of the land.
David hunting down Goliath
Can the principle, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” apply to this kind of war?
Can Democrats, Independents, and Libertarians band together to bring about this change? Will the change sought shake up Washington and restore American faith in Democracy? Americans sense the the threat to freedom that has come from within. If you haven’t noticed, Libertarians have come out of the woodworks and have amassed a viable force to counter the threat of “super patriotism”.
The force is especially noticeable with the rise of Ron Paul, a Texas libertarian that will no doubt impact the outcome of the Republican primary. His band of revolutionaries will likely help decide the 2008 election no matter how Ron Paul fares in the primary.
Defending the Constitution vs. “Securing” our Nation
Were the founding fathers revolutionaries or “terrorists?”
The founders of the U.S. Constitution were most definitely terrorists as per today’s definition of the word. When we recall their patriotic actions, we remember them as revolutionaries, visionaries, and widely regard them as American heroes. Our founder had dreams of an America free of tyranny and corruption. They desired a limited government that would keep order, promote freedom and stay out of people’s affairs. Without the aid of civil libertarians that kept our nation honest and true to our founding principles over the years, the dream our founders had may soon end if Americans aren’t careful.
Home-grown Terrorism Legislation is now in sharp focus
As I mentioned above, the founders were a special breed of “terrorist”. They stood bravely against a State ready to hang them for not bowing before an unjust king. His majesty, King George III of England, was in for a great surprise!
Over two hundred years later, our nation remains strong but liberty is no longer the hallmark of American Democracy. In fact, the issue of protecting Liberty has become a controversial topic now. Our Senators in Congress should be quick to stand up for the cause of Liberty. Instead, the foundation of our nation is cracking and Senators are sitting down when they should be fighting for our rights.
If there were ever a litmus test for serving as a public official, protecting essential liberty and defending the Constitution should be it.
Senator Ted Kennedy and Chris Dodd joined forces this against immunity for telecommunication companies that allegedly violated outdated FISA laws.

Let’s stop pretending we live in a truly free democratic society. Let’s aim to learn about American history and understand our place in the world. We are dangerously close to being governed by a fascist State and there is an argument to be made that we already live under fascist rule. Americans like myself are desperately seeking to break free from the shackles. If we don’t dismantle the threat to the Republic, how could we continue to claim we’re leaders of the “free world?”
Will there be an American Revolution in 2008?
Don’t stand on the sidelines. A plague is eating away at Washington and it must be cured. Remember, the revolution starts with YOU, your mind can never be enslaved and your vote is your weapon. For those Americans that have lost all hope, hang in there and have faith in America. A Revolution is on the horizon and you will have the pleasure of being a part of something wonderful. Even those people who lost themselves along the way can redeem themselves. Every neo-conservative stuck on the Bush bandwagon is welcome to join the movement.
Since you’re reading this piece, I expect that you’ll err on the side of liberty. Whatever happens, do your part to ensure the enemy falls short in its attempt to support the rise of tyranny and corruption in America.


What do you think?
If this is politics let me know and get rid of it, just thought this goofs views were interesting.

BraggSurvivor
06-11-2008, 09:26 AM
Who is the writer Beo?

Beo
06-11-2008, 09:31 AM
Fred Soto a writer for the Whitehouser and an Attorney and Entrepreneur from the Silicon Valley.

Beo
06-11-2008, 09:33 AM
Read this today also.
Canadians Victims Of Uranium Poisoning?

Published by Fred Soto RSS News Feed
According to the NY Times, the worlds largest uranium producer, Cameco, has told the Canadian nuclear regulator that its refinery might have leaked uranium, arsenic and fluorides into Lake Ontario. I probably wouldnt have posted this link, but I think something needs to be done about regulating harmful reagents and chemicals in the world. The United States is probably the biggest offender of uranium exposure to citizens worldwide and we shouldnt turn a blind eye to this very serious problem.

BraggSurvivor
06-11-2008, 09:43 AM
I thought so, and an excellent read it is.

IMHO, (based on comments and PM's I receive here) there will be no revolution coming to the USA. People are weak and few will try and change the the outcome of what I believe is inevitable.

The soldiers are few and far between...........look at the result of Ron Paul. ;)

BraggSurvivor
06-11-2008, 09:46 AM
Your stirring the juices Beo......I was gonna lay low for a while. :D

Beo
06-11-2008, 09:46 AM
Yup, most just complain but do nothing. But not sure how I feel about what he said.

Beo
06-11-2008, 10:57 AM
Don't lay low, let'errrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrip!!!!!

Rick
06-11-2008, 11:00 AM
That was my thought when I read the piece. All well and good to outline the problem but where is the proposed solution?

Anyone can make an argument for any position. But if they fail to offer a solution(s) then it's just an argument for argument's sake.

Beo
06-11-2008, 11:02 AM
excellant response Rick, and very true.

Teotwawki
06-11-2008, 11:59 AM
“Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us.” - Thomas Jefferson.

Those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin.

“Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have.” – Davy Crockett.

“It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.” – Thomas Paine.

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The solution is in the Declaration of Independence:

"...all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is the right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security ... ." - Declaration of Independence.

Right now, I guess for most, the "evils are sufferable."

tacmedic
06-11-2008, 11:59 AM
How are we supposed to make a difference, when all of the choices we have are merely more of the same? Merely changing the president isn't enough, the system of checks and balances prevents that. The change has to be a complete shake up of the entire system; the executive, judicial, and legislative branches. Which is almost impossible to do at any time, let alone one election. It's just my opinion but, no matter who gets elected this fall we will just be trading one guy with bad ideas for another guy with bad ideas who simply had enough money to be able to get elected.

Rick
06-11-2008, 12:22 PM
Hey Teot - Great quotes. So....time for an uprising? A coup against the regime? (For Tacmedic, too).

And just who would you put in charge? Me? Hopeak? Trax? Your great uncle Ted?

Folks have been complaining since before the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution were drafted. Every generation has complained. I remember folks yammering about Kennedy and how he was too liberal. Johnson was a shyster and got us into Viet Nam. Nixon was a thief. Ford didn't have a clue. Carter had Billy. Reagan's head was in the stars. And I assume you all know the last three.

How do you fix it? Or does it need fixed?

Beo
06-11-2008, 12:35 PM
Rick the solution is right in front of you... its so simple...
everyone write me in for President:D

Ridge Wolf
06-11-2008, 01:00 PM
Is this guy trying to insite a riot? or is he re-hashing thoughts that have been passed under the bridge before? American ideology is based on individualism these days. Standing behind an administration that mobilized a movement in the past (Bush) then screwed it up along the way mobilizing another movement falling back on our individualism. We think for ourselves and instigate change no matter how slow that change has turned out to be, (i.e. wait for the next administration).

I see signs of jibberish within the preamble here. I am not inclined to get up out of my rocking chair at the moment in support of this event. (pours another cup of coffee and turns the bacon).

Beo
06-11-2008, 01:50 PM
Mmmmm the bacon sounds great RW i'm with you on that.

1stcavmp77
06-11-2008, 02:25 PM
so what we just sit still and see how bad it really can get? because there's nothing we can do about it anyway? that's how we got into the situation that we're in now. we all just sat by and let billary gut our military, give us nafta, and not go after obama. and now we are just supposed to sit by and let them do it to us more? i say NO! we HAVE to do something we need to let them know that it's wrong. we need to get rid of all these politicians up there in washington that are in the pockets of the corporations so that the voice of the little man can once again be heard. that is supposedly why we have this system of "checks and balances". good grief people wake up and smell the bs!

Rick
06-11-2008, 02:32 PM
That's the reason politics is not allow on the forum. You've opinion of those individuals doesn't make you correct and will only lead to a pi$$ing contest. It always does. If you want to do something positive, run for office. If you want to do something positive, vote.

Beo
06-11-2008, 02:34 PM
Vote for bacon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rick
06-11-2008, 02:34 PM
Now there's a plan I can live with.

Ridge Wolf
06-11-2008, 02:43 PM
I'll second that motion... vote for bacon.:D Don't usually like political discussions anyway. I have my opinion everybody else has theirs and this forum is about wilderness survival in the first place.

Teotwawki
06-11-2008, 03:38 PM
Hey Teot - Great quotes. So....time for an uprising? A coup against the regime?

I'm just quoting people smarter than me who successfully faced a similar problem [sans Crockett].


How do you fix it? Or does it need fixed?

I believe it needs fixed.

Different leadership is not the answer. People are people and will always be looking out for #1. Political people will always be power hungry and power corrupts.

I would not and do not put my trust in the rule of man (or bacon) but rather the rule of law.

I think a peaceful "revolution" that resulted in a few changes to Constitutional Amendments would go a long way.

On my list would be:

Clarification on the Second Amendment
Separation of school and state
Congressional Term Limits
No Redistribution of Wealth (e.g. an amendment to outlaw socialism)
Modify the Fourteenth Amendment (equal protection) to clearly cover taxation or create a new amendment to do so
Strengthen private property ownership rights

Serious restructuring has happened once before - google Reconstruction Amendments. This came about as a result of the Civil War. It will probably take another very severe crisis to be a powerful enough catalyst to bring about change.

I might run if I thought I could raise a few hundred million dollars.

P*ssing contest? As my grandmother liked to say: Better to be p*ssed off than p*ssed on. Now that is a great quote!

Rick
06-11-2008, 03:42 PM
Well, good luck on those. You can always run the first draft by us. You can count on us for an honest opinion. :D

Teotwawki
06-11-2008, 04:04 PM
Brutally honest at times, eh? :p

I think maybe we should all write in: Sol T. Bacon for Prez. and Hunk R. Down for VP.

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