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Chris
02-04-2016, 12:47 PM
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/pandemic/pandemic-introduction/

I still need to write the article on Zika, its so new.

As far as I'm concerned, a pandemic is the most likely thing to occur to mankind than any other scenario. The 1919 Spanish Flu killed up to 100 million people. It is only a matter of time before we get another pandemic like that again.

Rick
02-04-2016, 04:10 PM
Slick. Very nice addition. I don't where you draw the line on diseases but HIV/AIDS has claimed some 39 million. The CDC classifies it as a pandemic.
I agree. It seems to me the most likely scenario given the speed with which any given disease can span the world. Ebola was a good example of how a disease can wind up in your own backyard before you know it. God help us if the next pandemic is airborne transmissible or can survive extended times on surfaces like packages, envelopes, food containers, etc.

hunter63
02-04-2016, 04:40 PM
I do wonder about the "Zika" out break?

Spread by mosquitos, and is really only dangerous to pregnant women?
How is this considered an "Outbreak?"

As it seems that the spread is slower in areas where winter causes die offs, and the targets are a smaller portion of the population, what is the major concern.

Make me wonder if its another push for funds ....?.....When the Ebola outbreak billions were lost in the news article are correct.
http://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/africa-sierra-leone-ebola-epidemic-health-system-financing-money-aid.

I have to agree with Rick....HIV/AID and birth control pose a larger threat?

madmax
02-04-2016, 05:08 PM
I can definitely see a disaster like this happening. More and more people. More and more travel. I don't see what I can do about it other than washing my hands a hundred times a day when in the city and wearing a surgical mask like they do in Tokyo when there's a scare.

BENESSE
02-04-2016, 06:33 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/02/health/zika-virus-sexual-contact-texas/

Wise Old Owl
02-04-2016, 07:23 PM
a lot of Texas men will now be anxious.

Chris
02-05-2016, 10:41 AM
Slick. Very nice addition. I don't where you draw the line on diseases but HIV/AIDS has claimed some 39 million. The CDC classifies it as a pandemic.
I agree. It seems to me the most likely scenario given the speed with which any given disease can span the world. Ebola was a good example of how a disease can wind up in your own backyard before you know it. God help us if the next pandemic is airborne transmissible or can survive extended times on surfaces like packages, envelopes, food containers, etc.

I guess I don't consider HIV a pandemic because it is incapable of spreading quickly. People call things like obesity an epidemic or pandemic too.

From the standpoint of this site's point of view, there are no prepping or survival issues in trying to avoid it. We all know how to avoid it.

So I basically stuck with things that are spread either by air, casual contact, or insects, and that are infectious enough to spread quickly, or of course be weaponized.

Old Professor
02-05-2016, 12:20 PM
There are slow pandemics and rapid pandemics. The medical definition doesn't distinguish between the two. Only that the disease becomes world wide. I have said for a long time, going back to my teaching days, that a pandemic is the most likely event that will reduce man kinds numbers. The principal reason for saying that is the wide spread development of mass transportation. A person can literally travel any where in the world in 24 hours. Because most diseases have a incubation period of days to weeks, during the latter part of that period becoming contagious BEFORE showing any symptoms, many people can become infected and repeat the process. Your chance of contracting said disease is highest where population densities are highest, ie: slums of large cities, ect. Your best defense against a pandemic disease is to avoid crowded situations.

There is a book titled "Routes of Contagion" whose author escapes me at the moment, that showed how the out break of pandemics 19th century was tied to sea travel and incubation periods. A very interesting read!

Rick
02-05-2016, 05:30 PM
A person can literally travel any where in the world in 24 hours.

Sadly, their luggage often can't keep up.

nell67
02-06-2016, 11:39 AM
I guess I don't consider HIV a pandemic because it is incapable of spreading quickly. People call things like obesity an epidemic or pandemic too.

From the standpoint of this site's point of view, there are no prepping or survival issues in trying to avoid it. We all know how to avoid it.

So I basically stuck with things that are spread either by air, casual contact, or insects, and that are infectious enough to spread quickly, or of course be weaponized. HIV/AIDS would fit this description, the virus can last for days on a dried surface, and the EPIdemic in Austin Indiana (just 12 miles from where I live) is nothing short of proof that it COULD be weaponized and used as biological warfare. The persons in Austin are spreading it with needles faster than with the more traditional method of transfer of the virus.JMHO

tundrabadger
02-06-2016, 12:52 PM
I guess I don't consider HIV a pandemic because it is incapable of spreading quickly. People call things like obesity an epidemic or pandemic too.

From the standpoint of this site's point of view, there are no prepping or survival issues in trying to avoid it. We all know how to avoid it.

So I basically stuck with things that are spread either by air, casual contact, or insects, and that are infectious enough to spread quickly, or of course be weaponized.


Oh, there are prepping issues...not exactly the same, mind, but at least one means of contracting HIV can be avoided (or at least diminished) for about 10 dollars the box at any pharmacy or grocery store. It's just a matter of going beforehand.

Pennsylvania Mike
02-06-2016, 03:34 PM
Great addition! A lot of information and a lot to read.

Old Professor
02-07-2016, 09:52 AM
I just checked Amazon; " Routes of Contagion " by Siegfried & Henderson is currently available , new or used, for $4.00 There are a couple of other books on the same subject that look interesting.

hayshaker
02-07-2016, 10:24 AM
novel virsises like lab made flu,aids zika,ebola ect... equal population control
TPTB have been at this a long time now. to kill off by any means nessesary
the bulk of the planets population. this people is not conspiracy it's fact.

Rick
02-07-2016, 03:02 PM
Well, they are doing a pretty lousy job of it then. Someone needs to send them back to school and start with population control 101. We're hovering around a 10-11% increase in planet population each year. That's not conspiracy it's fact.

(somewhere is a dank, dark laboratory deep beneath an Ivy League campus and evil government scientist suddenly yells, "Eureka!!!! I've done it!!!! I've developed a lab made flue, aids zika, ebola ect.!!! Buhahahahahaha. Now to end the world's population. Except me off course.)

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

BENESSE
02-07-2016, 05:14 PM
Well, they are doing a pretty lousy job of it then. Someone needs to send them back to school and start with population control 101. We're hovering around a 10-11% increase in planet population each year. That's not conspiracy it's fact.

(somewhere is a dank, dark laboratory deep beneath an Ivy League campus and evil government scientist suddenly yells, "Eureka!!!! I've done it!!!! I've developed a lab made flue, aids zika, ebola ect.!!! Buhahahahahaha. Now to end the world's population. Except me off course.)

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Hey, who leaked out to you the next Bond plot?!

Batch
02-07-2016, 05:36 PM
But, the trend in population growth is slowing and some say we are in decline. Some areas have or will have soon, birth rates below what is needed to maintain population decline due to death.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_ exploding.html

hayshaker
02-07-2016, 08:08 PM
fukushima will take care of that in time.

Rick
02-07-2016, 09:19 PM
That why I said "planet population". You can always find selected locations outside the norm either + or -. In any case, I don't think it has anything to do with TPTB. But!! I'd love to see some credible links that show such is the case.

Faiaoga
02-08-2016, 05:39 PM
One way of slowing population growth might be to raise the education levels and living standards of the general population, especially for women. As a science teacher (but not an expert on demographics), I have asked classes to discuss population growth in their own country and to think about the social, economic, cultural and religious values that may lead to higher or lower populations. Too often, peple fail to consider these.

Lead to higher population levels:
inexpensive and available medical care
free and universal education
religious or cultural values for large families
tax breaks for larger families
and so on

Lead to lower populations:
pretty much the opposite of the points I have mentioned

Humans can easily fool themselves concerning the results of their choices and values.
:clover::clover:

Faiaoga
02-08-2016, 05:48 PM
Messed up my response, but we should note that a more educated population with a high standard of living shows slower population growth. Allowing women access to education and health care seems to be a most effective way of slowing the rate of population growth:clover:

The article mentioned by Batch (Slate on Jan. 9, 2013) seems to be a good one and brings out the idea of a "demographic transition" when a population becomes generally more educated and with a high standard of living. The article points out that some countries have attempted specific rewards for families to have ore children - usually with limited results:clover:

I really want to check out the "Routes of Contagion" book as well.

Faiaoga
02-08-2016, 09:08 PM
I am no expert, but we should remember the diseases that have historically wiped out peoples not previously exposed - measles, smallpox and other diseases that we now consider to be minor nuisances but were very deadly in the past. One item of interest to me is the 1918 influenza epidemic. My understanding is that about 20 percent of the population in Western Samoa (now independent Samoa) was killed, but the neighboring islands of American Samoa were spared. An American Samoa government did not allow a vessel carrying infected passenger to land, but passengers did disembark into Western Samoa.

I am not a doctor or an expert on public health, but I think we need to stress the importance of basic public health measures that have made a big improvement in preventing the spread of disease. Vaccination and inoculations, sewage disposal and treatment of public water supplies have made a big difference in the life expectancies of many countries. :clover:

Rick
02-08-2016, 09:27 PM
Those three items may have been more important in the life of modern man than the invention of the wheel.

Wildthang
02-19-2016, 02:08 PM
Kind of cruel thinking on my part I suppose, but I think a major pandemic is the only chance the world as we know it has, if it is going to survive! I think we are past the point of sustainability for mother earth!
The only other option is a major world war, and that would most likely end it right there!

Ralph Rotten
02-21-2016, 02:07 PM
You should talk about the scourge of Polio. It was the Zika of its day, the debilitator of children.

kyratshooter
02-23-2016, 09:24 AM
Know how they practically wiped out polio?

The Public Health Service in each and every community in the U.S. marched a squad of nurses into the public schools, lined each and every student up and vaccinated them, with or without parental permission.

They also wiped out whooping cough, diphtheria, typhoid and had a good run at measles before the protest of health and common sense took control.

Try that today.

Pity is that the Zika virus would be taken in hand quickly if the affected areas were allowed the use of DDT for a couple of years.

We are allowing a disease we could control with the 1940s technology to run rampant across the globe.

Faiaoga
03-06-2016, 08:43 PM
A LONG but very interesting article in The Atlantic (March 2002 issue) has a lot of information about how devastating introduced new diseases were to the Americas "1491" is an article by Charles C. Mann that discusses population estimates of pre-Columbian America and the impact that contact with the Western world had upon native populations. A lot of controversy, but there is no doubt about the effects of pandemics upon the history of the Americas:clover:

www.theatlantic.com