G,s,W KIT FOR B,O,B

[hayshaker]

I THOUGHT I,D BRING THIS ONE UP cause we talk so much about bug out bags and such.
and when would a bob be needed most would be a shtf type senario. so that said why not have a
gunshot wound kit as part of your bag or chest rig.I made up a few cause i,ve a few bags. its one
of those prep items you hope you,ll never need but thank God you have it if you do need it.
my small basic one has
1,4in&1,6in olaes bandage
1,roll kerlix
1,roll,sports tape
1,pr,emt,shears
1,cat,2 tournequet
1,quikclot,sports bandage
3,pr,blk 6,mil surgical gloves
1.h&h compress gauze
2,tampons
1.28npr airway
1,tube airway lube

this is just a basic setup i know
but better than nothing does anyone else carry one as part of thier BOB OR not and why?

[kyratshooter]

Just can't let that bug out to the woods and do a Red Dawn thing go can we?

You get shot in a "SHTF situation" and you are a dead man. You have no surgery theatre, no medical staff, limited medications, no real pain killers, no evacuation capabilities and no rear area trauma centers to take anyone to.

But not to worry, the BG that shot you in the first place will probably follow your blood trail, catch up to your wounded butt and put one in your head when he takes your gear.

[welderguy]

I do carry one in my med bag, I take it to the deer lease or when out hog hunting, cause accidents happen !! And What Kyrat said is spot on !

[Rick]

I think gunshot or bleed out first aid bags are great for hunting and the range. I do carry one in the vehicle because there are idiots out that you read about every day that shoot people. But you are only trying to protect that golden hour until the victim can be delivered to a trauma center. If it's a true SHTF situation then I intend to have a priest tag along for last rights.

[crashdive123]

Just can't let that bug out to the woods and do a Red Dawn thing go can we?

You get shot in a "SHTF situation" and you are a dead man. You have no surgery theatre, no medical staff, limited medications, no real pain killers, no evacuation capabilities and no rear area trauma centers to take anyone to.

But not to worry, the BG that shot you in the first place will probably follow your blood trail, catch up to your wounded butt and put one in your head when he takes your gear.

Yeah but one hole or two?:whistling:

[Rick]

Sounds like two. One in the butt and one in the head.

[Zack]

I THOUGHT I,D BRING THIS ONE UP cause we talk so much about bug out bags and such.
and when would a bob be needed most would be a shtf type senario. so that said why not have a
gunshot wound kit as part of your bag or chest rig.I made up a few cause i,ve a few bags. its one
of those prep items you hope you,ll never need but thank God you have it if you do need it.
my small basic one has
1,4in&1,6in olaes bandage
1,roll kerlix
1,roll,sports tape
1,pr,emt,shears
1,cat,2 tournequet
1,quikclot,sports bandage
3,pr,blk 6,mil surgical gloves
1.h&h compress gauze
2,tampons
1.28npr airway
1,tube airway lube

this is just a basic setup i know
but better than nothing does anyone else carry one as part of thier BOB OR not and why?

I think that a gunshot wound kit may be practical for certain SHTF scenarios, but I think that you could make it more useful if you added a few more miscellaneous things, giving you a "trauma kit". In my opinion, you are far more likely to suffer a major laceration from some sort of debris, an animal bite, or some other injury than a gunshot. Being able to treat these and gunshots may be helpful in a bug out scenario. Just my thoughts...

[Rick]

I'm not dissing your kit, by the way. As I indicated, there are applications for it. You might also consider an Usherman Seal or similar for sucking chest wounds. As a young man a couple of acquaintances got into an altercation over a young woman. One shot the other with a shotgun in the left chest. One of the guys present had just returned from Viet Nam. He wrapped the wound with plastic creating a three sided chest seal until the ambulance arrived. The guy survived because of that quick action and a lot of good luck.

[hayshaker]

i dont carry a real chest seal like a halo or asherman. though a freezer ziploc bag and duct tape will work as well.
i do have a trauma kit but the post was about a differnt set up.
and as zack said a trauma bag is a better all round kit cause it can treat many more injuries.

[BENESSE]

Sounds like two. One in the butt and one in the head.

For some people one to the butt will take care of both.

[Rick]

True dat..

[hunter63]

For some people one to the butt will take care of both.

Bhohahahaha....soooooo many jokes.....LOL

I just carry a basic FAK......not saying gunshot wounds may be an issue....my risk analysis put gunshot way down on my list of thing to "carry gear for".

I'm going with sprains, strains, cuts, abrasions, eye pokes, and reactions to plants and bugs.

[BENESSE]

That reminds me...
On book 3 in Ken Follett's century trilogy...but book 1 & 2 deal with the first two world wars. http://www.goodreads.com/series/87392-the-century-trilogy GREAT READ!
Apparently in WWI and II, morphine was indispensable in packs because it allowed soldiers who were seriously wounded to carry on and out of immediate danger til they could get help. Pain can be a deal breaker.

[Rick]

It's use actually dates back to the American Civil War as well as the European Franco-Prussian War. It has been estimated there were close to 500k morphine addicts at the end of the Civil War. It was referred to as the Army Disease.

[kyratshooter]

Morphine is still a staple med in the military trauma packs. When I was in it came in ampules of a dosage with the needle attached to a small bulb. 4 ampules was a lethal dose if I remember correctly. In some cases, if we had a good medic, we each had an ampule we carried in our IFAK. The medic carried enough to make an inner city drug dealer wealthy.

It's most important use is killing the immediate pain of a wound but its secondary use is keeping the troops calm and following orders. It they are hearing screams and shrieking all around them they are less effective as fighters due to the panic.

Before the days of morphine it was the duty of the immediate NCO to do triage and silence wounded soldiers that were causing panic in the ranks. Meaning shut them up in any way necessary.

I just googled the current FAK and find it is a well appointed kit compared to what we were given. All we had was a single wound dressing. We added to that what we could scrounge from the medics.

My big gripe was that the only concern seemed to be GSW when we were suffering from cuts, abrasions, burns and punctures of a minor but extremely irritating nature on a daily basis, and they did not even give us a kit with a band-aid or alcohol wipes.

[Rick]

I would imagine where you were those cuts and abrasion got infected pretty quickly.

[hayshaker]

the tropics are the worst where one can die a misreble death due to a uncared for cut or scratch.
where a staph infection can happen overnite really.soap is one of the best things you can carry
allways keep fingernails clean treat all cuts and scrapes ASAP.infection is your worst enemy.
i carry silver gel in all my bags also pure oregano oil,emu oil for burns ect....

[kyratshooter]

the tropics are the worst where one can die a misreble death due to a uncared for cut or scratch.
where a staph infection can happen overnite really.soap is one of the best things you can carry
allways keep fingernails clean treat all cuts and scrapes ASAP.infection is your worst enemy.
i carry silver gel in all my bags also pure oregano oil,emu oil for burns ect....


Yea, right!

Soap, clean fingernails, stop and operation for treatment of cuts, oregano and emu oil ???

You have never operated in a real SHTF environment have you?

One where your clothes decomposed at the seams, leather boots rotted off your feet in 3 days, shower points were three weeks separated and people were trying to kill you?

I caught skin fungus in 1972 that was not cured until 1997 !! I think it finally died from long term exposure to civilization, because no medication would touch it.

And my problems were quite simple in the total scope of things.

[Zack]

It's use actually dates back to the American Civil War as well as the European Franco-Prussian War. It has been estimated there were close to 500k morphine addicts at the end of the Civil War. It was referred to as the Army Disease.

I've got a book called "The Good Old Days-They were Terrible!" somewhere on my shelf. It talks about the morphine addicts. It's kind of interesting...

[finallyME]

I carry a blow out kit in my car and in the family car. It is separate from the other FAK. I try and keep it easily grab-able. I make sure and take it with me when I go shooting.

[kyratshooter]

I've got a book called "The Good Old Days-They were Terrible!" somewhere on my shelf. It talks about the morphine addicts. It's kind of interesting...

In 19th century England the police were opposed to restrictions on opium and morphine because the normal reaction of the addicts was to turn to alcohol.

Morphine and opium addicts were usually mellowed out and easy to control, alcohol made the victims irritable and combative!

Just sayin'.

[BENESSE]

Yea, right!

Soap, clean fingernails, stop and operation for treatment of cuts, oregano and emu oil ???

You have never operated in a real SHTF environment have you?

One where your clothes decomposed at the seams, leather boots rotted off your feet in 3 days, shower points were three weeks separated and people were trying to kill you?

I caught skin fungus in 1972 that was not cured until 1997 !! I think it finally died from long term exposure to civilization, because no medication would touch it.

And my problems were quite simple in the total scope of things.

Some people have all the luck while the rest of us grunts have to improvise and make mountains out of molehills.
If you've ever done that, you know it's a thankless job fraught with peril and ridicule.

[hayshaker]

no KRAT i,ve never been to budop or an khe like some or drank out of the song my. but i have been in the tropics and i do know a little about staph and how it can jump on you real qucik in high humidity areas like the fla keys. as for oregano oil
it is quite successful for the treatment of cuts srapes and various other things it is a antiviral. emu oil is for burns. as is
silver gel.krat look at the bright side your here to tell the story. my cousin was a marine 18yrsold got killed in danang
the first day of tet68.i remember seeing him before he shipped out it was christmas 1967.

[kyratshooter]

Sorry about you brother Hayshaker. As I said, I had it much better than some.

As for the oils and bird grease, it is not that I do not think they will work or do not understand what they are for, It is simply a matter of being in a situation where there are more pressing things to deal with than ointments on scuffs and scratches.

Or perhaps I have a different concept of SHTF due to my life experiences.

[DSJohnson]

I have seen more injuries from chain saws, axes and hatchets than gunshot wounds in my camping experience. I think it is a prudent course of action to be prepared to stop an arterial bleed, "pack a wound" and use a tourniquet. I have treated some GSWs but that was as an EMT with a truck(Ambulance) and a 20 minute trip to the ER usually. I did help treat a gun shot wound in a deer hunting camp once. The Gentleman shot himself in the right foot just as he was about to unload his revolver and clean it. We were about an hour or so getting him to an ER. ADs suck. I carry Quik Clot now and a couple CATs too and some of those Israeli Emergency Bandages also in my kit nowadays. Plus 4X4s and several roller bandages. Way more than any IFAK that I put in my back pack when I am hiking. Use the tools you have been trained on.

[hayshaker]

arterial bleeding can happen many ways not just gsw,s body punctures severe lacerations and so on
i think it,s just good to have on hand though booboo,s are most likeky to happen burns sprains bites heat
exaustion and so on i carry a bolwout bag for all this.