View Full Version : Found this, "Wolf attack"
Tahyo
04-22-2008, 06:19 PM
I found this on another site.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/12/22/alaska.wolf.attack.cnn
BraggSurvivor
04-22-2008, 07:01 PM
Probably all been shot by now. :(
Sourdough
04-22-2008, 07:32 PM
Yea, LIKE "SO WHAT".........
BraggSurvivor
04-22-2008, 07:35 PM
Just stating a fact.
Just shoot everything in sight so you can walk your ugly dog.
wildWoman
04-22-2008, 07:36 PM
Well I guess if the wolves had really meant business in that case, there would have been more of a news item than that....spraying bear spray around in the air doesn't do anything. I wish pitbull attacks would get this kind of coverage.
Sourdough
04-22-2008, 07:58 PM
Just stating a fact.
Just shoot everything in sight so you can walk your ugly dog.
No body shot the wolves. they are fine. My "So What" .....was just what do people expect wolves to do. People move to "ALASKA" to be near the wilderness and then they don't want it to be cruel. They want Walt Disney, warm fuzzy wilderness.
Some joggers were running on their lunch hour on the bike path between Los Anchorage and Los Eagle River, and a coyote sunk his teeth into one in the butt cheek.
Anchorage is just a bunch of displaced flaming liberal California yuppies. It is just a "BIG" toilet. Wall to wall humans.
Alpine_Sapper
04-22-2008, 08:03 PM
Well I guess if the wolves had really meant business in that case, there would have been more of a news item than that....spraying bear spray around in the air doesn't do anything. I wish pitbull attacks would get this kind of coverage.
Why? There's such a crusade against large dogs nowadays it's ridiculous. Trying to find rental property if you own a dog over 40 lbs is almost impossible, and I don't even own an agressive breed.
IMHO, BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) is about as moronic as it gets. Why punish the dog? I have plenty of friends who raise "pit bulls" (American Staffordshire Terrier) and there's nothing inherently wrong with the breed. They're sweet, loyal, loving dogs, just like any other type can be if they're shown the proper treatment.
Now, put a dog with the capabilities of a pit in the hands of a bad owner (like a lot of drug dealers or dog fighters I've known), and yes, you have a dangerous animal. Beautiful, majestic, yes, but dangerous.
But saying it's the pit's fault is like saying it's the guns fault little Timmy got shot when him and Johnny were playing with daddy's handgun. Pit's aren't just "crazy mean vicious" dogs like most people make them out to be.
Gun's don't kill people, people kill people.
Don't punish the dog, punish the owner.
And before I step off my soapbox, Michael Vick shoulda been wrapped in bacon and tossed into his own kennel.
/End Rant
Tahyo
04-22-2008, 08:11 PM
One of the reasons I put this link to this, was for some of those newbies, and what I mean by newbies are the ones that do not have the experience out in the wild and don't take some of the "wildlife" serious. The wildlife belongs out there.. people are the outsiders.
And I agree with Alpine on the Pits. I have owned them off and on all my life and my oldest son owns one now. Never had a bad one. It is usually the owner that is the cause of problems and it wouldn't make any difference if it was a Pit or a Poodle... some people just shouldn't have a dog.
That is all.
klkak
04-22-2008, 08:13 PM
I did my best to take a bite out the wolf population that was doing the attacks, However I guess they didnt like my sets. Oh well there is always next trapping season.
BraggSurvivor
04-22-2008, 08:43 PM
No body shot the wolves. they are fine. My "So What" .....was just what do people expect wolves to do. People move to "ALASKA" to be near the wilderness and then they don't want it to be cruel. They want Walt Disney, warm fuzzy wilderness.
Some joggers were running on their lunch hour on the bike path between Los Anchorage and Los Eagle River, and a coyote sunk his teeth into one in the butt cheek.
Anchorage is just a bunch of displaced flaming liberal California yuppies. It is just a "BIG" toilet. Wall to wall humans.
I know what you meant hopeak, I responded accordingly. We have the same problem around here. Rich folk move out here to be closer to nature and when their little house dog gets eaten by a Cougar when they let them out to pee, all hell breaks loose. A few years ago an expensive horse was eaten by a pack of local wolves. The hamlet of Bragg Creek held emergency meetings to decide what to do with this pack. Local consevation officers who attended the meeting told them if the wolves were moved at that time of the year, they would most likely die. They didnt care and wanted them moved or killed. The outcome was: I wouldnt let them through my property to capture or kill them, and the results from tests the vet did on what was left of the horse came out as the horse died of natural causes. It took two weeks for the test results and in the meantime the wolves would have been destoyed.
I still get glaring stares from peopleat my kids school functions. ;)
crashdive123
04-22-2008, 09:20 PM
Good job Bragg. Nice to see that private property rights are respected in your neck of the woods.
BraggSurvivor
04-22-2008, 09:30 PM
Good job Bragg. Nice to see that private property rights are respected in your neck of the woods.
It was close crash, I was getting worried when they brought up the helicopters at $600-$800 per hour, but the only outfit that would do it was out of Revelstoke BC, and they wanted 8 hours fly time just to get here and back. That suggestion soon desolved quickly.....:)
dilligaf2u2
04-23-2008, 05:39 AM
The only packs running loose here, you can not shoot. But if TSHTF I know several that will be thinned out quick. Would not take long for the sound of a getto blasters to bring in unfriendly fire.
Don
Aurelius95
04-23-2008, 06:38 AM
Now, put a dog with the capabilities of a pit in the hands of a bad owner (like a lot of drug dealers or dog fighters I've known), and yes, you have a dangerous animal. Beautiful, majestic, yes, but dangerous.
And before I step off my soapbox, Michael Vick shoulda been wrapped in bacon and tossed into his own kennel.
/End Rant
Indeed! :)
Ole WV Coot
04-23-2008, 09:14 AM
I met my share of pit bulls while working. The mean ones were mostly kept by dealers. Only had one problem, got caught up a telephone tree by two. I hit one with 1/2 a cinder block and he didn't blink they just sat at the foot of the pole. I called in told them I would be a little late, got laughed at and had to enjoy the view for another hour or so until they decided to leave. I also went into a fenced backyard and saw a cute little pink doggie house with Snowball painted on it. Well good ole Snowball went well over 100lbs and was MEAN. I don't remember climbing the pole but when the owner came out and put it in the house there weren't any gaff marks for the first 10'. True stories with "my hand in the air."
Most people think the lie most often told is, "The check is in the mail". It's not. The most often told lie is, "My dog doesn't bite."
wildWoman
04-23-2008, 12:43 PM
Sorry people, I didn't mean to step on pitbull-friendly toes; I'm a doglover and owner of 4 large mutt myself and have known and liked such "dangerous" breeds as dobermans, rottweilers and German shepherds; of course it's the breeder and owner that creates much of the behaviour of a dog. Pitbulls just popped into my mind.
It just always ticks me off how these wildlife encounters get big media coverage because some girlies (or dudes) get scared. I find it funny though how these stories always seem to be coming out of the US, be it moose attacking humans or wolves eating dogs. Wolves eat dogs in Canada's north every year, and somebody I know was xcountry skiing a few years ago and chased by a wolf pack, which he then beat off with his ski poles - how come that doesn't get into the news? Do Canadians just keep a stiff upper lip or what is it?
a) Wolves have always attacked dogs,(ask the people who run sleds across northern Canada) there is still not one proven case of a wolf attacking a human being in North America (that case in northern Saskatchewan is full of crap)
b) Wolves howling aren't attacking, if you're going to go where wolves are, learn something about wolves you bunch of sissy-*****es.
c) Keep encroaching on where they live, they're going to get more used to you and get over their fear and, you're lunch.
d) Think it was really nice of that lady to keep "rainbowing" her pepper spray, so that when the wolves munch out on her dog they can say "mmm, spicy..."
e) I personally think that I should be licensed to hunt and trap those who hunt and trap wolves, but then, some people think I'm kinda nuts. I'm sure they'd understand me better if they ever saw me out howling at the full moon.
Alpine_Sapper
04-23-2008, 01:14 PM
Sorry people, I didn't mean to step on pitbull-friendly toes; I'm a doglover and owner of 4 large mutt myself and have known and liked such "dangerous" breeds as dobermans, rottweilers and German shepherds; of course it's the breeder and owner that creates much of the behaviour of a dog. Pitbulls just popped into my mind.
It just always ticks me off how these wildlife encounters get big media coverage because some girlies (or dudes) get scared. I find it funny though how these stories always seem to be coming out of the US, be it moose attacking humans or wolves eating dogs. Wolves eat dogs in Canada's north every year, and somebody I know was xcountry skiing a few years ago and chased by a wolf pack, which he then beat off with his ski poles - how come that doesn't get into the news? Do Canadians just keep a stiff upper lip or what is it?
Don't sweat it. Didn't offend me. I started that post with "Why?" because I genuinely want to know. The rant that followed was just my opinion, and had more to do with BSL than "pits", although I do believe the reputation is unjustified, as well as dobies, rotties, and sheps.
I think there's a different mentality across the US. The "Information Age" has only made it worse. Most people here are so accustomed to their standard daily routine of work, school, soccer practice, and staying at home watching TV or surfing the 'net that ANYTHING outside of that freaks them the hell out, and they have to go cry to the media. The media then shelves the story, finishes it's coverage of the current major crisis, and when it's a slow news day, says, "Oi, we got that wolf attack we can air", or they needed something to fill a human interest spot and wolves attacking two retards who'll cry on camera and their dog was more interesting than, say, the world's largest ball of earwax. Besides, it's CNN. I mean, really, how many 24 hour news stations do we need? Have you ever watched it for any length of time? You get the SAME crap repeated in about 30 minute intervals, imho because they can't find anything else worth mentioning, and when they find it, that beat that horse to death and back.
@Rick: All dogs bite. Question is, why did he bite? Has the dog been pushed past the point of no return due to abuse, neglect, etc etc? Or did he bite because some kid came running at him full tilt waving his arms and screaming 'doedie doedie doedie doedie doedie doedie doedie doedie doedie doedie doedie' and grabbed a handful of ear and tried to rip it off? Or, did the mail/deliver/serviceman approach, and ignore the flattened ears, down tail, raised hackles and bared fangs? Not all dogs give such obvious warning signs, but most dogs don't bit for no reason. Most people may not understand the reason, but that's because we're not dogs and most people don't bother to learn the psychology behind dogs unless the love them and choose to do so.
And I honestly agree with everyone else like Hopeak who have made the point that todays world see's hiking/backpacking/camping etc. as "getting back to nature" and it's "cool" in to be able to say you were out in the wilds when you come back to the office. But they want Disney where the deer and the birdies help you wash your dishes and do your laundry, not reality, which is that animals get hungry, curious, territorial, just like we do, but they don't understand the animals language or signals. So they shed tears on CNN and hopefully someone will bring them a pelt and make them feel all safe and snuggly once again.
Ole WV Coot
04-23-2008, 01:18 PM
You got that "my dog won't bite" right on the money. I would love to have a dollar for every time I have heard that. A lady left me alone with her cute little dog that wanted me as a chew toy. I just planned on making him leave so I held a 10" screwdriver by the blade and kinda flipped the handle trying to hit him on the nose. Missed, killed the dog with a tiny thunk on his head, told the nice lady her doggie looked sick and crawled under the couch so exit stage left.
Alpine - My point to that was peoples dogs don't bite them. Let a stranger come on the premises and all bets are off. As I said elsewhere, once I'm on that dog's turf he's going to try and protect it. It's not that he's vicious or mean, he's just not willing to let some stranger come into his/her "pack". At that point I'm no different to him than some strange dog.
Coot and I did the same thing for a living and I'll tell you that I've been attacked by chihuahuas to dobermans to st. bernards. I was only bitten on the heal of my boot once by a German Shepherd but I had a co-worker bitten in the face and others bitten on their hand, arms and legs and one bitten in the butt.
I don't have a particular dislike of large breed dogs. I don't think any of them are necessarily vicious. The problem I have with them is there is a huge difference between being attacked by a beagle and being attacked by a rottweiler. The wounds of large breed dogs can be staggering and often life threatening. Once that occurs, I'm of the opinion that dog needs to be put down. Sorry.
Tahyo
04-23-2008, 02:30 PM
When our youngest son was about 4 years old, a black lab (yea, one the people said wouldn't bite) went out of it's way and grabbed him by the face and shook him like a dish rag. It severed his bottom lip to where it was hanging on by a small piece of skin. I could go on and on to the list of damage this dog did to him but the point is that when ever we use to tell what happened, the first thing that came out of people's mouth was "A Black Lab did that?"
Well after 6 surgeries from the best plastic surgeon the owner's money and his children's children could buy, they put his face back together, literally. Our son is 23 years old now and you have to look hard to see the scars. You'd also think that he would be terrified of dogs but he's not in the least which use to bother me.
All dogs will bite given a reason to and there is always a reason even it it's not a reason that should be one. Big dogs are going to do more damage and the media is going to go after certain breeds with a vengeance. What you don't hear about are the thousands of bites that happen from all the little rat dogs.
Recently this past year there was a case of a dachshund chewing off a child's genitals http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2007/11/07/family-dog-chews-off-infants-genitals/
in the town close to here. I don't think this was an act out of meanness as it was a puppy from what I remember and the parent didn't change the diaper on that child.
I'll stop my yammering about this now before I damage my keyboard. It's still one hell of a thing even after all these years when it does surface.
I'm sorry that happened to your son. It must have been a terrible ordeal for him and you. I'm glad it worked out despite what was need to make it work.
Dogs just have their own agenda that we often don't understand (or bother to understand). That's not good or bad. It just is.
Alpine_Sapper
04-23-2008, 02:49 PM
I don't have a particular dislike of large breed dogs. I don't think any of them are necessarily vicious. The problem I have with them is there is a huge difference between being attacked by a beagle and being attacked by a rottweiler. The wounds of large breed dogs can be staggering and often life threatening. Once that occurs, I'm of the opinion that dog needs to be put down. Sorry.
I totally agree. And I think that is the main reason for the discrimination against large breeds in most places is the amount of damage they can do if they bite. But, I'll be d@mned if I own a dog that would make a snack for my Akita.
If you can't train your dog and instill good bite inhibition, and he bites, he'll do it again. It's a matter of how long before he does. As food agressive as Akita's are, and knowing this, I made the mistake of reaching over him to retrieve something one day.
He was eating a hot dog I'd give him, and I went to grab part of it to give it back to him. If I'd been a little slower i'd have been bleeding.
However, he learned his lesson, and has never done it again. I can't have a dog snapping over food with kids in the house.
But like I said, his instincts are to protect his food, and he didn't see anything wrong with that. Then we had several long intense conversations about the dominance structure in the "pack".
He learned.
If he hadn't, he would have gone back to the kill shelter. No rescue would take a dog that bites. Not one thats worth a d@mn anyway.
And most dogs that bite either do it out of territorial or food protection, or frustration. Once that happens, it's 99% of the time only a matter of time before it happens again, and they typically get more damaging each time. Might be years, but it is almost certain it WILL happen. If you treat your dog right, make sure they get the exercise they need, and train them properly, you should not have to worry about getting sued or having your dog put down.
Alpine_Sapper
04-23-2008, 02:52 PM
My point about punishing the owner, not the dog, was that if there is an aggressive dog that attacks, the owner should face jail time, depending on the situation. However, BSL like Denver has that says anyone OWNING an Akita or Pit, or one of the other 20 or so dogs on their list can't live within the city limits is WRONG imho. That's like saying "If you own a gun or a knife, you can't live here because it's dangerous."
One of my neighbor's has this huge black mixed breed beastie, he's tied off to a concrete block but it's not enough and he can actually pull the thing and get out of his yard. I walked out into my driveway one day last week and he was there, barking at me and he lunged, snapping at me, but the concrete was enough to stop him from reaching me. I went to tell the 'lady' to get her dog out of my yard and after about a 15 second conversation, I understood the dog's attitude perfectly. He was simply mirroring the human.
nell67
04-23-2008, 03:31 PM
Your neighbor needs an attitude adjustment....
and I offered.....:D..but no takers:eek:
nell67
04-23-2008, 03:40 PM
and I offered.....:D..but no takers:eek:
Some dont recognise a good thing when they see/hear it :D
Some dont recognise a good thing when they see/hear it :D
ummmmm, yeah, I don't think most folks would have viewed the attitude adjustment I suggested to her in too friendly a light. I think I offered to throw a tow rope around her neck so I could use my truck to help her tug her head back out of her fat azz.....
canid
04-23-2008, 03:49 PM
i'm almost inclined to support not only dog licensing but dog owner testing. as far as the wolf attack goes, it a lot like these california pre-work joggers and cyclists who buy houses in what was mountain lion country just a couple years prior, in an area that now has a declining deer population and then wonder why the usualy timid creatures are now depsaretly bold and get up in arms over the danger the animals pose to them.
maybe i'm a romantic, but i sort of have a soft spot for any animal who manages to put some tiny dent back in the human sense of security. those who can't handle the once held acceptable dangers of rural or even remote life might seriously be happier to go live in one of those vast and cruel jungles; the city, or one of those more vast and tame expanses; the suburb.
crashdive123
04-23-2008, 04:57 PM
Constable - Does your dog bite?
Inspector Clousseau - No.
Dog bites constable....
Constable - I thought you said your dog didn't bite!
Inspector Clousseau - It's not my dog.
http://www.hiru.com/zinea/erreportaiadidaktikoak/107852/sellers2.jpg
911: "911. What's your emergency?"
Lady: "There is a giant cat in my back yard."
911: "What kind of cat, ma'am."
Lady: "I don't know. A BIG one. It's tan except for the fur around it's lips. Those are white. It's really big."
911: "What's it doing, ma'am?"
Lady: "Just looking at me. Should I give it some milk?"
911: "Ahhh, no. I wouldn't do that."
Lady: "Should I go out and shoo it away?"
911: "I wouldn't do that either, ma'am. We'll have some one respond."
Lady: "I can't believe the city let's these things run around loose. Some one should do something about it."
911: "I'll pass that along."
klkak
04-23-2008, 10:35 PM
Since we are talking about pets let me say how much my dogs are worth. Last yr one of my dogs got out of the fence and later bit the man next door. I got my 12guage a shot him in the guys front yard. I hated to loose him. Bandit is one of the best dogs I've ever had and he is to old to try and get out however if he ever bites someone the way Cloe did I'll kill him to. I have no time for a visious dog.
BraggSurvivor
04-23-2008, 11:05 PM
I had to do the same thing klkak with a dog I owned. I had a Samoyed Husky for twelve years with no problems. Every Sunday I made a trip to the local landfill transfer station and "Bullet" would ride along with me. One Sunday morning I opened my truck door and he snuck around me and jumped in. This time I wasn't going and called him out. He wouldn't move so I grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and he whipped his head around and bit me on the arm and drew blood. I walked straight to the house and grabbed my 35 Whelen and shot him dead. I just couldn't take a chance of him biting one of my kids. Sad day.
Ridge Wolf
04-23-2008, 11:21 PM
e) I personally think that I should be licensed to hunt and trap those who hunt and trap wolves, but then, some people think I'm kinda nuts. I'm sure they'd understand me better if they ever saw me out howling at the full moon.
They might understand you better if they were up against a wolf pack like these women were... irregardless of the bait they were carrying (or walking).
Very unfortunately, this news story which is focusing on sensationalism and seemingly helpless women with crying and all that, doesn't give the wolf a good press image either.
klkak
04-23-2008, 11:39 PM
Most of you dont live here in Alaska. So you dont realize how low on the food chain you are when you head into the woods. I dont have a problem killing any animal that attacks a human. As far as the dogs go, They are expendable.
Trax. To me a wolf is an animal that God put here for me to utilize. I have no problem killing them and selling their fur. It puts food on my table and pays my bills. I, like many other here have seasonal jobs and winter is a lean time. I supliment my income in the winter with trapping. Everything I kill gets eaten or the furs get used, sometimes both. I killed a snoeshoe this morning and had it for lunch.
Ridge Wolf
04-24-2008, 12:09 AM
i'm almost inclined to support not only dog licensing but dog owner testing. as far as the wolf attack goes, it a lot like these california pre-work joggers and cyclists who buy houses in what was mountain lion country just a couple years prior, in an area that now has a declining deer population and then wonder why the usualy timid creatures are now depsaretly bold and get up in arms over the danger the animals pose to them.
maybe i'm a romantic, but i sort of have a soft spot for any animal who manages to put some tiny dent back in the human sense of security. those who can't handle the once held acceptable dangers of rural or even remote life might seriously be happier to go live in one of those vast and cruel jungles; the city, or one of those more vast and tame expanses; the suburb.
Bravo!! I have a few neighbors like Trax's neighbor. Frankly, if I had my way and say... I'd have at least five acres around me if not more.... neighbors, sheesh!!
canid
04-24-2008, 12:10 AM
to start with, i am from alaska and i strongly disagree with your views. there are more lucrative [and populous] animals to be fur trapping. incidental take is one thing but i don't think people should be trapping for anything they aren't going to be eating.
since i'm myself, and you are in fact yourself, we will probably tend to have different views on more than one occasion, but i'm inclined to speak my mind.
i neither have a problem killing an animal that attacks a human, but defense and retribution are two different animals entirely. since even this was not an attack of a human, and no such events have been well documented, it's hardly relevant. there are sound and effective means to keep wolves from attacking dogs. yes; i would kill a wolf if it where attacking my dog, if scare failed, but not after the fact. wolves will be wolves.
klkak
04-24-2008, 12:21 AM
I reckon we will just have to agree to disagree. There are a great many wolves in Alaska, and trappers put a very small dent in thier numbers. There may be more of other animals but taxidermy quality wolves are worth alot of money. I choose to be a trapper and others dont. Lets just leave it at that.
canid
04-24-2008, 12:23 AM
i don't question the trapping itself, it's an honest living. cheers.
Alpine_Sapper
04-24-2008, 12:24 AM
Most of you dont live here in Alaska. So you dont realize how low on the food chain you are when you head into the woods.
wtf does living in Alaska have to do with understanding ones place in the food chain? Is that the only place one can get that kind of education? Alaska is so much more dangerous than a swamp or a desert? Hardly. Making assumptions about what I know based on where I live currently is exceedingly arrogant.
. As far as the dogs go, They are expendable.
And I don't consider my friends expendable, whether they're human or canine. I value the lives of my dogs as much if not more so than most people I meet. They're loyal companions who understand the meaning and value of a friend.
klkak
04-24-2008, 12:32 AM
Ok! you are right and I'm wrong. Sorry I offended you. I'm gonna just continue to live and believe the way I do. I would still rather the Bear or wolf or Moose kill my dog then me. I can always get another dog.
nell67
04-24-2008, 06:20 AM
Most of you dont live here in Alaska. So you dont realize how low on the food chain you are when you head into the woods. I dont have a problem killing any animal that attacks a human. As far as the dogs go, They are expendable.
Trax. To me a wolf is an animal that God put here for me to utilize. I have no problem killing them and selling their fur. It puts food on my table and pays my bills. I, like many other here have seasonal jobs and winter is a lean time. I supliment my income in the winter with trapping. Everything I kill gets eaten or the furs get used, sometimes both. I killed a snoeshoe this morning and had it for lunch.
If you are going to kill it,eat it or leave it alone,taxidermy is not an acceptable reason to kill a wild animal,if you want to see that animal in all its glory,leave it alive in the wild,in its true glory,there is nothing glorious about a stuffed animal standing in the corner of your living room with a snarl on it face.
I don't have any problem with someone trapping for a living. I've done it, I have friends who still do, personally I don't hunt or trap wolves, but for my own reasons. Trappers turn the price of those furs into other essentials, flour coffee, lard, whatever, just like I cash a paycheck for the same reasons. What I have a problem with is the number of people who think wolf population's need to be decimated, and it's happened way too many times in way too many places. In Manitoba, if you have any big game license and don't fill your tag, you can use it to shoot a wolf, so we wind up with all these a-holes dropping wolves for no reason. I also have a problem when 8 or 10 a-holes jump on their snow machines and chase wolves to death or near death before finishing them off with a kill shot. Most of North America has an overpopulation of white tails and mule deers that are dying from wasting diseases because there's no longer a predator population to cull the herds. The only predator population that's doing well is coyotes and that's because for the most part they've learned that it's easier to live off urban garbage than it is to hunt, so they're not doing much deer chasing either.
Chuck
04-24-2008, 12:34 PM
My guess those wolves were there because one of the adjoining game management units (16b) is under expanded predator control. The wolves simply moved to a more friendly territory. I live in 16b where moose hunting has been shut down for over 10 years because of wolf and bear predation. i hope the MP's at Fort Rich and Elmendorf blast every one of them before they decide to move back here.
Chuck - Sorry but I don't understand who you want blasted.
I should stay out of this, I guess, because I'm not a trapper so have little right to make any comments. It just seems to me that any animal that is trapped has their hide used for something. I doubt any animal really cares whether it's used for clothing or trophy or "statue". I'm sure they would prefer to keep wearing it. Even a rabbit. For some reason we assign a different "priority" to wolves than we do rabbits or foxes. I think all are just as important even if I think the wolf is a pretty damned majestic animal.
As Trax pointed out, there is a really big difference between someone earning a living by trapping and just killing (any animal) for the h*ll of it. So I don't get too excited about trapping wolves because I don't get too excited about trapping rabbits or foxes. I don't think I have that right to make that type of judgment on which animal deserves our protection and which doesn't.
Klkak - As far as I'm concerned, you are making an honest living doing something that has been done for a very very long time on this continent. The indigenous folks took animals long before our goofy ancestors arrived. And until I work a seasonal job in AK and try to survive through the winter I'll be hard pressed to condemn you for trying to earn a living.
Just some rambling thoughts. As I said, I haven't even earned the right to make a comment.
Chuck
04-24-2008, 01:03 PM
The wolves. Between them and bears we have no moose out here we depend on moose for food. Because moose hunting has been closed my only other option for food is a 3 mile hike to the nearest salmon stream where I have to fish by sport which does not provide enough food for the year.
Crap. Your whale analogy is a good one.
As for my earlier comment about putting a dog down, note that I said when a vicious attack has happened. Biting is pretty mundane to me. Yeah it hurts and it's not a good thing but dogs do it to make a point, defend, or for whatever reason. They do it to each other just to lay down the rules. But when a mauling occurs, that's a different situation to me and the dog should not be allowed an opportunity to repeat the act.
Chuck
04-24-2008, 02:43 PM
If one must supplement their income, i can think of a million things to do but kill wolves for their fur.
Their fur is a renewable resource, man made synthetic fabrics are not. To me it makes more sense to harvest a sustainable resource than a finite one that will be used up one day.
But not in your backyard I take it. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0006.gif (http://www.ranksurge.com)
Alpine_Sapper
04-24-2008, 02:50 PM
Their fur is a renewable resource, man made synthetic fabrics are not. To me it makes more sense to harvest a sustainable resource than a finite one that will be used up one day.
So why use synthetic vs. animal fur? Why not cotton vs. animal fur? Without a doubt you can get tons of cotton in a year, vs. a couple hundred wolf pelts before you start endangering the species, AGAIN. Don't think we're in danger of wiping out a cotton plant.
Chuck
04-24-2008, 03:42 PM
The majority of my clothes are cotton, wool, and fur/leather. Hunting and trapping are set to allow breeding and birth of a new generation of animals. I don't know of a state that does not manage resources on a sustainable bases. When oil is gone it's gone. I would use petroleum products in my chainsaw than wear it.
Sourdough
04-24-2008, 04:00 PM
What right, other than playing "GOD" do you have to tell Chuck or KlKAK, or Me how We should live. We seem to be managing our state better than you'all are doing managing your state. And We have wolves to enjoy daily, you can only look at pictures, or go to the Zoo.
If the people in the lower 48 spent as much time cleaning and de-asphalting their state as they spend telling us how to live and how to manage our state; they would be happier, and healthier. And leave a better legacy for their children.
<end rant>
wildWoman
04-24-2008, 04:30 PM
Well the way I see it, it's very difficult to make a living out in the bush. Trapping is one way of earning some money, and IMO if kill traps are used and the animal can also be eaten, and it is done in a responsible manner, it's one way to live in the woods.
Personally, it's not my cup of tea and I don't see too many peole around the world running around in furs instead of clothing of other material, except the rich and famous, so I doubt it would ever be a major contributor to the clothing market.
As far as wolves eating all the game goes and peoples attempt at wildlife management, be it in Alaska, Canada or elsewhere, it seems very much like trial and error to me. Again, if wolves are wiping out all the game, why is it that when us whities first came to North America, when wolves were not hunted as they are today and over the past few hundred years, why didn't they finish off all the moose, caribou, buffalo etc etc that were roaming the continent in huge numbers then? Nature gets along the best without "management", left to its own devices, unexploited.
What I woud like to see abolished is trophy hunting. Why should some dudes from the asphaltized south have any right to come up north and shoot prime animals just to feel manly and display part of the carcass in their living rooms? I'd like to see them re-establish the wildlife habitat back where they live, then let them go and do their thing at home, and people who live up here would have more animals that they could hunt to eat.
Riverrat
04-24-2008, 04:48 PM
I belive if traping is used to keep a person alive, to help pay the bills, to put food on the table, then go for it. How is this differant then you or I going out and shooting a deer or other game animal? We do this to eat, trappers use the animial in this way as well. if the meat is not good for eating then it is used for bait, but the fur is used for putting staples on the shelves.....
As for the wolves in the story, I belive that the ladies were asking for trouble. If you go into an area that is know to have wolves, bears, or any other animal that can possibly hurt you then you have to take the necessary percautions, like not going with a dog...which will be seem as either food or a interloper...
my two cents worth....
Sourdough
04-24-2008, 04:59 PM
The way I see it the lower 48 and for sure Los Angles should embrace the "GANGS", drug gangs, youth gangs, gang violence, etc.
I see Gang's the way you see Wolves......The prey on the weak or foolish. They are cute, and some are fuzzy. They have different colors, and they will turn on each other.
You manage your Gang's and we will manage our wolves. In the end as in the beginning there will be Wolves and there will be Gang's.......both are packs and more ruthless than we are, which is maybe why we both fear and respect them.
I have to admit. I do have trouble with my pants sometimes. My eyes left a long time ago. That's why I have glasses.
Ridge Wolf
04-24-2008, 07:14 PM
From the tip of your eyes...you are schizophrenic.
From the bottom of your pants...you are autistic.
In between, you are an ordinary being...in your words, exist the weight of definitions, even in your metaphors.
Nothing of your words attains a resemblance of sensuality. Nothing in your vocabulary, nothing in your thoughts talk to me. You confuse the formation of intellectualizing consciousness with the physical and vital consciousness.
You know that physical and vital consciousness plays games with you, especially you...so you fall back on a post devoid of sensation...words that play together, and words that please your frontal lobe.
Nothing else arise...nothing else comes up and sing. You are a zombie trying to be a pedagogue...but what are you going to teach that is not pathetic ? What legacy are you going to live my children ?
You want to manage wolves and land, when you can barely manage your eyes and your pants... I will think of you, when i bite in the fruits of cheese makers.
What? :confused:
Ridge Wolf
04-24-2008, 07:14 PM
I have to admit. I do have trouble with my pants sometimes. My eyes left a long time ago. That's why I have glasses.
So..... what left that you have trouble with your pants?? :confused:
Not left. Right. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/evilgrin/evilgrin0039.gif (http://www.ranksurge.com)
Sourdough
04-24-2008, 08:14 PM
Remy, Sorry I was not going for sensuality in my words. Sensuality is best left to those in southern California.
BraggSurvivor
04-24-2008, 08:53 PM
hopeak, he uses words like "your eyes, bottom of your pants, resemblance of sensuality, your thoughts talk to me, play together, please your frontal lobe, comes up and sing, i bite in the fruits"..............
Hidden message?.........I think he has a big crush on you dude......:D
klkak
04-24-2008, 09:16 PM
This thread has gone from "Bad" to unbelievablely "Wrong". Please would someone close it and throw it in the "Sea of the Forgotten" and post a "No fishing" sign.
Chuck
04-25-2008, 12:02 AM
a couple hundred wolf pelts before you start endangering the species, AGAIN.
When has Alaska's Timber Wolves been an endangered species?
You manage your Gang's and we will manage our wolves. In the end as in the beginning there will be Wolves and there will be Gang's.......both are packs and more ruthless than we are, which is maybe why we both fear and respect them.
I neither fear nor respect gangs. I respect wolves, but I don't fear them. What, though, makes them your wolves?
I also find it very difficult to believe that wolves are responsible for wiping out a moose or any other population. It's been proven time and again that wolves spend a lot more of their winters being small game hunters than large. And like Wildwoman pointed out, if the wolves were doing so, why hadn't it happened before Europeans ever arrived here?
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 11:27 AM
Chuck, Read "Alaska's Wolf Man", as far back as 1923 the Federal Government has had programs to reduce the wolf population. There was a bounty on wolves till about 1972' or 73'. I find "NO" record of Alaska wolves ever even being considered endangered.
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 11:35 AM
I neither fear nor respect gangs. I respect wolves, but I don't fear them. What, though, makes them your wolves?
I also find it very difficult to believe that wolves are responsible for wiping out a moose or any other population. It's been proven time and again that wolves spend a lot more of their winters being small game hunters than large. And like Wildwoman pointed out, if the wolves were doing so, why hadn't it happened before Europeans ever arrived here?
We don't tell you what to do with your game populations, I don't care what you (Canada) does or does not do about game management. I just resent that people who do not live here feel they have the right to manage my environment. They are not my wolves. But they are ours (Alaska's) to manage.
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 11:42 AM
Alaska has no RATS and Alaska has no SNAKES. People in the lower 48 should never hurt or kill these wonderful creatures. I might want to someday come to the lower 48 and get on a tour bus so I can safely ride around and see one. SAVE the RATS.
We don't tell you what to do with your game populations, I don't care what you (Canada) does or does not do about game management. I just resent that people who do not live here feel they have the right to manage my environment. They are not my wolves. But they are ours (Alaska's) to manage.
Dude, I didn't tell anyone how to manage anything, I just stated my own thoughts. So, I think remy might have mentioned the cheese a while backto go with the whine, and what makes them Alaska's wolves? Think a wolf crossing the divide goes..oh whoops that's Canada I better turn back? Shake your head.
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 11:51 AM
What is this cheese thing? Sorry I don't understand the bite the cheese maker thing.
wildWoman
04-25-2008, 11:54 AM
Alaska has no RATS and Alaska has no SNAKES. People in the lower 48 should never hurt or kill these wonderful creatures. I might want to someday come to the lower 48 and get on a tour bus so I can safely ride around and see one. SAVE the RATS.
Actually your capital has rats and some more communites on the panhandle; maybe it has to do with the proximity of government workers? :eek:
Chuck
04-25-2008, 12:07 PM
I also find it very difficult to believe that wolves are responsible for wiping out a moose or any other population. It's been proven time and again that wolves spend a lot more of their winters being small game hunters than large. And like Wildwoman pointed out, if the wolves were doing so, why hadn't it happened before Europeans ever arrived here?Do a little research on Alaska's Game Management Units !3 and 16. The Dept of Fish & Game have tons of data. Also if you do a little research on Alaska's history you will find there were moose populations wiped out before us evil Europeans got here. Another bit of news one of the native organization wants to reinstate an old custom of hunting wolves in the spring and kill them in their dens. Momma's, pups and all. This was common practice to protect food sources.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Residents along the Kuskokwim River want state game managers to allow them to kill wolf pups in their dens.
Wolf numbers seem to be rising in the wilderness around Aniak, McGrath and other villages, and the task once carried out by young Native men should be employed again to help moose populations recover, said Greg Roczicka, natural resources director with Orutsaramuit Native Council in Bethel. You can read the rest of the article on--
FOX NEWS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324106,00.html)
I used to guide in the Mcgrath area at one time they had premo moose no more. Up there they depend on moose for food.
Do a little research on Alaska's Game Management Units !3 and 16. The Dept of Fish & Game have tons of data. Also if you do a little research on Alaska's history you will find there were moose populations wiped out before us evil Europeans got here. Another bit of news one of the native organization wants to reinstate an old custom of hunting wolves in the spring and kill them in their dens. Momma's, pups and all. This was common practice to protect food sources.
You can read the rest of the article on--
FOX NEWS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324106,00.html)
I used to guide in the Mcgrath area at one time they had premo moose no more. Up there they depend on moose for food.
Who did you guide? In the area where the locals depend on moose for food. My other thought is, aren't there caribou herds in the same area? I'm not trying to be a smartazz here, I'm trying to learn all things Alaskan. See, the best study I've ever seen and my own personal experience have been that across northern Canada, entire packs of wolves subsist through the winter a lot more on mice, lemmings, rabbits, etc than they do on big game and when a pack drops a moose, they clean it right down to the bone. I don't imagine that the environments are all that different.I find the info about the traditional natives wiping out wolves still in the den just fascinating. My guess about the rats is that they will be in all of your port areas, rats like to travel by ship, it seems.
rats like to travel by ship, it seems.
Only if they arrange a berth on deck 6 or above. Otherwise they fly business class. They're a bit persnickety.
Only if they arrange a berth on deck 6 or above. Otherwise they fly business class. They're a bit persnickety.
Yeah, kind of uppity considering they're rats and all. I was also leaning toward the "where the government workers are" theory that wildwoman suggested. It could be a sort of "attracted to their own kind" sort of thing.
I was drawn to that as well (some suggest there is more than a bit of rat blood in my linage). I thought it not only insightful on WW's part but quite logical given the fact that politicians have been heard to utter that very word, "Rats!".
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 12:39 PM
Sure, generalize and project your limitations...it works well for everyone and everything.
As Inspector Callahan said: "A man has got to know his limitations".
Some men know their limitations, and some still have to find there's.
Happy hunting.............:)
this is so cool, in the last few days we've had Inspector Callahan AND Inspector Closeau, maybe Inspector Gadget will show up in the "Making Stuff" thread!
klkak
04-25-2008, 12:57 PM
This thread is so much fun. I cant wait to see where its going next.
Chuck
04-25-2008, 01:04 PM
See, the best study I've ever seen and my own personal experience have been that across northern Canada, entire packs of wolves subsist through the winter a lot more on mice, lemmings, rabbits, etc than they do on big game and when a pack drops a moose, they clean it right down to the bone. I don't imagine that the environments are all that different.I find the info about the traditional natives wiping out wolves still in the den just fascinating. My guess about the rats is that they will be in all of your port areas, rats like to travel by ship, it seems.
I probably have 5000 pages of research papers on wolves, bears, and ungulants from some of the top wildlife biologist in the world; Alaska, Canada, lower 48, and Poland. Not once do I recall seeing wolves eating rodents as a mainstay at any time of the year. The only place I have even heard that one was Farley Mowatt hardly an authority.
Tahyo
04-25-2008, 01:09 PM
Little did I know when I started this thread where it would go. It now reminds me of "fark.com", which is one of my sources of entertainment.
BraggSurvivor
04-25-2008, 01:11 PM
I probably have 5000 pages of research papers on wolves, bears, and ungulants from some of the top wildlife biologist in the world; Alaska, Canada, lower 48, and Poland. Not once do I recall seeing wolves eating rodents as a mainstay at any time of the year. The only place I have even heard that one was Farley Mowatt hardly an authority.
With a pack of wolves not 2 km's from my house, the ground rat population is pretty much not existent in the last 5 years. Ive seen the wolves hunting for ground rats when at the same time the deer population has exploded around here.
Just an observation. :)
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 01:42 PM
Is a "Ground RAT" the same thing as a Ground Squirrl...?
BraggSurvivor
04-25-2008, 01:48 PM
Is a "Ground RAT" the same thing as a Ground Squirrl...?
Yea, or Gopher.
klkak
04-25-2008, 01:51 PM
Anyone here ever eaten a Parka Squirl?
Alpine_Sapper
04-25-2008, 01:57 PM
We don't tell you what to do with your game populations, I don't care what you (Canada) does or does not do about game management. I just resent that people who do not live here feel they have the right to manage my environment. They are not my wolves. But they are ours (Alaska's) to manage.
Oh yeah? You got a fence around it keeping 'em in there do you?
Alpine_Sapper
04-25-2008, 02:04 PM
Alaska has no RATS and Alaska has no SNAKES. People in the lower 48 should never hurt or kill these wonderful creatures. I might want to someday come to the lower 48 and get on a tour bus so I can safely ride around and see one. SAVE the RATS.
From the comments you make you seem to think that Alaska is the ONLY place that has wolves, and they are all yours. I hate to break the news to you, but there are wolves on AT LEAST three different continents.
@Chuck - I love the fact that you want to make a difference between subspecies The gray wolf, the red wolf, the arctic wolf...All have been on the endangered species list at one time. But, by god, alaska's Timber wolves aren't, so let's hunt them till they are! Then we can place them on the list in a place of honor with their brethren.
I probably have 5000 pages of research papers on wolves, bears, and ungulants from some of the top wildlife biologist in the world; Alaska, Canada, lower 48, and Poland. Not once do I recall seeing wolves eating rodents as a mainstay at any time of the year. The only place I have even heard that one was Farley Mowatt hardly an authority.
Maybe try going out and watching them.
Here you go, scan down to Food Habits:
http://www.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/notebook/furbear/wolf.php
No mice, Trax. Just voles, lemmings and ground squirrels. The mice must carry little signs so the wolves know.
klkak
04-25-2008, 02:15 PM
Oh yeah? You got a fence around it keeping 'em in there do you?
Nope, no fence. If they try to leave we shot them and sell thier furs to the highest bidder.
BraggSurvivor
04-25-2008, 02:18 PM
Nope, no fence. If they try to leave we shot them and sell thier furs to the highest bidder.
:D:D:D:D:D.......wait........ that's not funny.
Alpine_Sapper
04-25-2008, 02:21 PM
Nope, no fence. If they try to leave we shot them and sell thier furs to the highest bidder.
Then I don't suggest trying to cross the state line, vato, someone may have been drinking their breakfast and mistake you for a wolf.
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 02:22 PM
Maybe try going out and watching them.
I have watched a few thousand wolves. I have had wolves walk right into camp. I have seen packs with over 200 wolves. I have spent a lot of time watching wolves. I once had 119 wolves watch me flesh out a bear hide.
However I know that everyone else on this fourm has more knowledge and more experience with wolves, so I will yield to you'all experts.
klkak
04-25-2008, 02:24 PM
Is that a promis?:)
Alpine_Sapper
04-25-2008, 02:24 PM
I have watched a few thousand wolves. I have had wolves walk right into camp. I have seen packs with over 200 wolves. I have spent a lot of time watching wolves. I once had 119 wolves watch me flesh out a bear hide.
However I know that everyone else on this fourm has more knowledge and more experience with wolves, so I will yield to you'all experts.
119? Really? So, did you set and count each one, or ask them to sound off with their number?
What does all this really matter? Diet, number, management works. No it doesn't. My dog is bigger than yours. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0006.gif (http://www.ranksurge.com)
Back to the original video. If you put yourself in harms way chances are you will be harmed.
klkak
04-25-2008, 02:31 PM
hopeak, do you remember when a wolf in down town Anchorage took 3 or 4 days to kill a full grown moose. Rick Sinot got hundreds of calls from folks that wanted that wolf killed because it was so inhumane the way it was killing the moose. That wolf didnt even eat the moose once it was dead. That poor moose:(
You were expecting the wolf to kill...humanely? You were expecting the moose to just lay down and die? You were expecting the 200 pound tops wolf to eat an entire moose? Can I have some of what you're smoking?
Hey, scooter. I think it was irony. Ironic that you didn't pick up on that.
BraggSurvivor
04-25-2008, 02:39 PM
No you cant, Trax, go eat your mushrooms.
Really? That's why you're the Mom skippy, you pick up on these things.
by the way I thought your comment about being harmed if you put yourself in harm's way simply profound.
Hey is pro-found the opposite of con-found? Perhaps not, I digress.
klkak
04-25-2008, 02:43 PM
I thought it was interesting how so many people wanted that wolf killed. That magistic wolf had no friends that week. My comment "That poor moose" was a joke. I really didnt have a feeling one way or the other.:P
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 02:46 PM
119? Really? So, did you set and count each one, or ask them to sound off with their number?
Counted each one, they were there for 5 hours. Some were within 25 or 30 yards. I left them undisturbed. I also watched two wolves pull down and kill two Dall Sheep. Perhaps you could share some of your first hand wolf experiences.
See? Nanny nanny boo boo. As for the Profound comment. There are three states of found. They are:
Pro found
Semi pro found
Amateur
I'm in the semi pro found range. I don't do it professionally but I do get perks for doing it.
klkak
04-25-2008, 02:51 PM
Once while cutting up a caribou I had 3 wolves and a fox sit less then 50 yrds away and wait till I was done. After I moved away the wolves moved in on the carcass.
Alpine_Sapper
04-25-2008, 02:58 PM
Counted each one, they were there for 5 hours. Some were within 25 or 30 yards. I left them undisturbed. I also watched two wolves pull down and kill two Dall Sheep. Perhaps you could share some of your first hand wolf experiences.
First, I never claimed to have any. Second, I call bullsh!t on that. Don't care if you bark somre more or whatever. I seriously doubt that you sat and counted a pack of 119 wolves and got it accurate. And you'll never convince me that you did.
I'm genuinely sorry if you felt like, I, at least, was telling you how to live or manage your land. I have no freaking idea where you got that.
But the claims that they are "Alaska's Wolves" and all the crap about how well you manage your land is just that...crap. The wolves are animals and don't give a rat's @$$ about your state line. If it wasn't for the treehuggers and the greenies you snub and insult so often Alaska would be one big muddy pit of dozer tracks and drilling rigs. And thanks to recent legislation it probably will be anyway.
This has been fun and all. Kinda like poking a yappy little chihuahua with a sharp stick every so often, but this isn't really serving any purpose, like Rick stated earlier.
So, I'm done witcha esse. kthnxbye.
klkak
04-25-2008, 03:06 PM
Vato, Esse..., now we have to understand spanish. A dios mios, Yo soy consado de esta conversesion.
Rick, please kill this thread.......Pleeeeaaassseee!!!!!
wildWoman
04-25-2008, 03:51 PM
Well if it's a p***g contest now....wolves took down a moose 800m from our cabin 4 weeks ago, and unlike that critter in dowtown Anchorage, this was a pack of them, and they weren't downtown, and they did eat it all.
13 wolves approached my boyfriend out on the lake about 6 weeks ago, coming for him in a long drawn-out line. When they were 500 yards from him, he blew his dog-trianing whistle and, like good puppies, they turned tail.
Then there's the wolf that came bursting out of the bush on shore, 10 yards from me in my kayak, chasing after a moose. Didn't get to see the outcome.
A few years ago, there were 14 wolves who almost turned one of my dogs into their dinner because he was being stupid.
Also there was the wolf pup who was intrigued by me floating a few yards from him in my kayak.
etc etc
Now can we all relate our experiences with cars in traffic?
I thought it was interesting how so many people wanted that wolf killed. That magistic wolf had no friends that week. My comment "That poor moose" was a joke. I really didnt have a feeling one way or the other.:P
..and I find it interesting how many people in here want to kill wolves, go figure. Why kill a good thread like this?
WildWoman....good point, I had some jackass cut me off the other day...he was Asian looking, made me think I should be allowed to roll over Asian looking people with my truck....
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 04:33 PM
I find it interesting that NOT one person has said, "SHOW ME THE WOLVES".
Take me to where I can watch the wolves. Take me to where I can camp for the summer with the wolves.
BraggSurvivor
04-25-2008, 04:38 PM
I find it interesting that NOT one person has said, "SHOW ME THE WOLVES".
Take me to where I can watch the wolves. Take me to where I can camp for the summer with the wolves.
Why? :confused:
klkak
04-25-2008, 04:38 PM
I find it interesting that NOT one person has said, "SHOW ME THE WOLVES".
Take me to where I can watch the wolves. Take me to where I can camp for the summer with the wolves.
Good point Hopeak
nell67
04-25-2008, 04:39 PM
Why? :confused:
I was thinking the same thing....:rolleyes::confused:
klkak
04-25-2008, 04:42 PM
Hopeak, Take me there. Then I can start calling myself "Camps with Wolves" :D:D:D
klkak
04-25-2008, 04:46 PM
But can we go in the winter and do you mind if I bring several dozen snares?
And you wanted this thread closed. Uh huh.
klkak
04-25-2008, 04:50 PM
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klkak
04-25-2008, 04:50 PM
oops. ------ :D :D :D -----
If you want to stop playing badminton the first thing to do is stop hitting the birdy back to 'em.;)
klkak
04-25-2008, 04:57 PM
Very well, I'll stop. Its just that its snowing out today and Im bored. Oh yea, Im also babysitting my oldest granddaughter who is out of school with Pinkeye......,
I've camped beside wolves winter and summer. I once had a wolf walk alongside the trail I was on about 15 feet off in the bush, watching me. Guess he was just curious about the neighbors. We walked for about 1/4 mile like that and he just took off. I once had my vehicle surrounded by wolves when I was stopped on a highway north of Thompson and one sat right in front of the car and sang.
I've never patted any of them down for their passports to check if they were from Alaska or not.
klkak
04-25-2008, 05:43 PM
I've never patted any of them down for their passports to check if they were from Alaska or not.
Now that is funnier than watching midgets run track:D :D :D :D
Now that is funnier than watching midgets run track:D :D :D :D
say what you want about midgets, pal, but you might want to check back through a few old threads before you say anything about pygmies, especially New Zealand pygmies, God Bless their little hearts!
(removes hat and bows head) God Bless their little hearts!
Chuck
04-25-2008, 08:20 PM
@Chuck - I love the fact that you want to make a difference between subspecies The gray wolf, the red wolf, the arctic wolf...All have been on the endangered species list at one time. But, by god, alaska's Timber wolves aren't, so let's hunt them till they are! Then we can place them on the list in a place of honor with their brethren.
Wolves in Alaska have never been on the endangered species check it out with USFW and ADFG.
Maybe try going out and watching them.
I've probably watched as many or more as anyone on this board over the past 20+years.
Chuck
04-25-2008, 08:27 PM
You were expecting the 200 pound tops wolf to eat an entire moose?
You guys sure raise them big.
klkak
04-25-2008, 09:45 PM
200 lb wolf..., Now that would something. The biggest one I've ever caught might have went 120. I've seen some Malamute that went 200lbs, I guess they sorta look like wolves.
nell67
04-25-2008, 09:47 PM
Thought you wanted this thread closed?:confused:
klkak
04-25-2008, 09:52 PM
I'm bored. I'ts been snowing all day.
nell67
04-25-2008, 09:54 PM
go make snow angels...:rolleyes:
Chuck
04-25-2008, 09:58 PM
You to we've getting snow and rain, I'm ready for some green.
nell67
04-25-2008, 09:59 PM
80* here right now.
Chuck
04-25-2008, 10:01 PM
Sorry would you like some of our snow & rain?
klkak
04-25-2008, 10:02 PM
Chuck, I'm in Peters Creek. Not to far from you I'm guessing and yes I'm ready for green also.
Nell, That actually might be fun. Except the snow is that real wet heavey stuff.
nell67
04-25-2008, 10:04 PM
Sorry would you like some of our snow & rain?
Not at all.
nell67
04-25-2008, 10:05 PM
Chuck, I'm in Peters Creek. Not to far from you I'm guessing and yes I'm ready for green also.
Nell, That actually might be fun. Except the snow is that real wet heavey stuff.
Well then go play with fire:D:D
Chuck
04-25-2008, 10:10 PM
I live east of Hiline Lake between Mt. Beluga and the Talachulitna.
klkak
04-25-2008, 10:10 PM
That is so mean :(
nell67
04-25-2008, 10:11 PM
nah,it'll keep ya warm,and you wont be so bored.
klkak
04-25-2008, 10:16 PM
Chuck, That out there a bit.
Nell, Ha............Ha.............Ha :cool:
Alpine_Sapper
04-25-2008, 10:17 PM
Wolves in Alaska have never been on the endangered species check it out with USFW and ADFG.
Just because the Gray wolf is not in danger in one state doesn't mean the species itself is not on the endangerd species list. Saying they were never in danger in Alaska is splitting hairs.
And if what you say is true why have defenders been working to save the population there for 30 years?
http://www.defenders.org/programs_and_policy/wildlife_conservation/imperiled_species/wolves/wolf_recovery_efforts/alaska_wolves/
nell67
04-25-2008, 10:18 PM
Exactly Alpine,well said.
Chuck
04-25-2008, 10:22 PM
So do you raise wolverines you look friendly with the one in your avatar.
Chuck
04-25-2008, 10:24 PM
Saying they were never in danger in Alaska is splitting hairs.Take it up with Fish & Wildlife they are the ones that do the hair splitin'
And if what you say is true why have defenders been working to save the population there for 30 years?
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Alpine_Sapper
04-25-2008, 11:03 PM
Take it up with Fish & Wildlife they are the ones that do the hair splitin'
Actually, you're the one that keeps saying it. I don't see any Fish and Wildlife representatives here.
Chuck
04-25-2008, 11:11 PM
They are in the phone book. For crying out loud get a life. Good bye.
Alpine_Sapper
04-25-2008, 11:17 PM
They are in the phone book. For crying out loud get a life. Good bye.
lol. What's wrong Chuckles, don't wanna play anymore?
me: *poke poke*
Chuck: yap yap yap
Thanks for playing along.
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 11:46 PM
I live east of Hiline Lake between Mt. Beluga and the Talachulitna.
Chuck, You are farther south than I had guessed from your photo. So do you snowmachine into Skwentna for mail...? Are you near Top lake...? You getting much snow..?
Sourdough
04-25-2008, 11:49 PM
lol. What's wrong Chuckles, don't wanna play anymore?
me: *poke poke*
Chuck: yap yap yap
Thanks for playing along.
Chuck is way off grid, and my guess is he has shut the generator off for the night. You can poke him tomorrow.
klkak
04-26-2008, 12:30 AM
Chuck, No I dont raise wolverines I just have a calming way with wildlife.
SnowMan
04-26-2008, 04:12 AM
I had to do the same thing klkak with a dog I owned. I had a Samoyed Husky for twelve years with no problems. Every Sunday I made a trip to the local landfill transfer station and "Bullet" would ride along with me. One Sunday morning I opened my truck door and he snuck around me and jumped in. This time I wasn't going and called him out. He wouldn't move so I grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and he whipped his head around and bit me on the arm and drew blood. I walked straight to the house and grabbed my 35 Whelen and shot him dead. I just couldn't take a chance of him biting one of my kids. Sad day.
All I have to say is you obviously took the easy route out, which is for suckers. You know how many times I've had blood drawn from a playful nip? I've been bitten as well while working with a dog or two, but more often than not it's the persons fault. You suck it up, figure out what you did wrong to provoke it, and then correct it. I understand the idea of shooting something in self-defense, or the shooting of a wild animal for food, but blasting your dog like that was more an act of anger than intelligent thought. If you can't handle a dog, you shouldn't own one, bottom line.
Sourdough
04-26-2008, 08:30 AM
All I have to say is you obviously took the easy route out, which is for suckers. You know how many times I've had blood drawn from a playful nip? I've been bitten as well while working with a dog or two, but more often than not it's the persons fault. You suck it up, figure out what you did wrong to provoke it, and then correct it. I understand the idea of shooting something in self-defense, or the shooting of a wild animal for food, but blasting your dog like that was more an act of anger than intelligent thought. If you can't handle a dog, you shouldn't own one, bottom line.
SnowMan, I would think your post is; to use your words: "More an act of anger, than intelligent thought". So you think it would be better to "not" care for his Daughter's "Well Being, and safety".....???
The thing about a "SnowMan" is they generally have a BIG nose, and they melt'away because they just can't take the HEAT........:)
Welcome to the Forum.
Tahyo
04-26-2008, 09:05 AM
In my world there is absolutely no reason on earth that one of my dogs should ever bite anyone. If one does, it's dead without thought and I spend a lot of money on my dogs. I just spent almost 5 grand saving the Redbone Coonhound you see in my avatar, but don't think for a second that if she ever bit anyone that I wouldn't kill her on the spot. I raise pets, not guard dogs and they are raised and trained to be pets. If someone raises a dog that shows signs of aggression, then they better have the common sense to lock it up when people come over and not feed people a line of b.s. that the dog doesn't bite.
I scanned a picture of the damage done to my son by a f**k**g dog that went 20 feet out of it's way to do what you'll see in this picture that I linked to. It was unprovoked and a black lab. We had to feed that boy through an eye dropper like a baby bird for 3 weeks.
Easy way out??? What a crock of sh!t and I think you're a f**k**g Troll.
Warning, the picture is sort of graphic.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m277/cpaulsb/Forums%20and%20Message%20Boards/scan0001.jpg
nell67
04-26-2008, 09:29 AM
Tahyo,how horrible,I totally agree with you,any dog biting for whatever reason has problems,and must be dealt with accordingly. How is your son today?
Tahyo
04-26-2008, 09:38 AM
He's fine now. He's 23 years old and you have to look close to see any scaring. He's been through many surgeries and had one of the finest plastic surgeons in the midwest.
nell67
04-26-2008, 09:54 AM
:o Sorry Tahyo,I think you had already posted that on here before,glad it turned out well,but so very sorry that he and you had to endure that.
Snowman - Welcome to the forum. Going on the offensive for your first post was a bit out there, though. Why don't you step over to the Introduction section and tell us a little about yourself.
BraggSurvivor
04-26-2008, 11:41 AM
Did I do good Uncle Rick? :D
You have learned well little grasshopper.
Personally I don't mind a pit bull, owned one when I lived in Tennessee named Spooky. He was a great fun loving dog and the neighborhood kids climbed all over him and played with him, never once did he even growl.
Owners are the problem.
As far as the women and the wolves go... those women are idiots, they know nothing of wolves and the dog was a barking threat to them, food source since its in their territory, and since they went jogging in the wolves area what did they expect. The wilderness is wilderness plain and simple and the simple minded folk should stay out.
Wolves were their first and Trax said it best. Great post bro.
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