UFC 83 - St. Pierre vs Serra

[BraggSurvivor]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Bructer/stpierre.jpg

[awfoxden]

pierre - most definantly!

[crashdive123]

Gotta go for your cuz Bragg. Matt Serra is a loud mouth idiot.

[beerrunner13]

I hate Matt

[beerrunner13]

I think we have just reached an all time low with this one...coupled with the tacky jokes on the "survival tips" thread, we might finally succeed in rendering this forum into a shapeless dump for anything that crosses our minds.
Survival, is also and maybe primarily about moderation...


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Moderate your mind.

So start a thread about what we need to know oh wise one, or lighten up

[crashdive123]

A wise man once said on this forum that he did not distinguish between survival in the wilderness and survival in an urban setting since many of the skill for either location were applicable to both. A UFC match where the cousin of one of the forum members is a participant being posted in "General" where we are encouraged to discuss anything other than politics and religion may be one of the ultimate survival questions. Here we have two predators that are after the same game (title belt). Both are physically capable of reaching their goal. Both have been stalking their target. What now separates one from the other may largely lie above their shoulders. Survival? Not Survival? I wouldn't care to get into their wilderness to find out if I could survive.

[beerrunner13]

well said crash , hoisted on his own pa ;)tard

[Ole WV Coot]

Not even well armed. We all agree who will probably win but I don't have a pair big enough to tackle the loser. They fight more civilized than I ever did but NO WAY would I even wear those shorts let alone fight in them.

[BraggSurvivor]

Thanks crash. ;)

[BraggSurvivor]

Not even well armed. We all agree who will probably win but I don't have a pair big enough to tackle the loser. They fight more civilized than I ever did but NO WAY would I even wear those shorts let alone fight in them.


I was a western canadian arm wrestling champion (light heavy) back in my late teens and early twenties (hence my bad shoulders). Georges younger brother Alfred is going to junior provincial's next month in Ontario and also started training in mixed martial arts. My uncle says Alfred will be the up and coming star in the coming years as he has worked twice as hard at his age with less injuries compared to George. It will be exciting in the next few years to watch him progress and grow in the sport. He is 13 years old, 5'10" and 185lbs.

Even if my shoulders were good, I wouldnt even think of going head to head with this 13 year old kid. Times are certainly changing Coot.

[crashdive123]

You are correct sir. I will no longer equate well written posts to a persons wisdom, or lack there of.

[BraggSurvivor]

Remy, not an attack on you or anything but if you were so smart, why would you live in LA? Practicing survival skills?

[Ole WV Coot]

I suggest you go to a pawn shop and buy two of their three brass balls and try MMA for yourself. I don't think you or any of us could "survive" (there's that word again) long enough to worry about the ref, rules, rounds. I don't know if you get disqualified for climbing the fence but I sure would try. Maybe there is a tad bit of jealousy concerning the average man and the fighters. I couldn't last one min. on my best day with any fighter so any rules, regs wouldn't mean a damn.

[beerrunner13]

Beerrunner13,

I am not here to tell you what you need to know...nor am i here to entertain you.
I never understood this way of thinking, "well then, why don't you start a thread?"...Well then, if i don't, that's all you have to write about ? If i don't, have you reached your limits ? Your potential ?...please, don't wait up, and don't expect me either to "lighten up", or whatever silly projections you pulled out of your imagination regarding my mood.

Reading those threads...since you want to know...it made me think about the value of moderation, as in moderating our minds...i am not saying you shouldn't be able to post about whatever you want, nor that you somehow need to know more, since i could not possibly know or quantify your knowledge based on mostly...silly posts...yes ?


Crash...
You are funny...I would love to agree with your assessment of this subject...but you are forgetting something. A UFC match, is bound by rules, that survival has nothing to do with (not saying that survival does not have any rules...just saying that it is not the same ones).
Survival has no referee, bells and breaks...popcorn and girls in transparent high heals. No time restrictions, and therefore the scheduling of energy...forces and even glucose intake for that matter.
A UFC match is just an illusion, the illusion of survival...nothing more than a show.
Now, i have really, once again, no qualms about you guys posting about it, as i would have no qualms posting about anything...i was just pointing out what this thread made me think of...moderation.
But hey, you are also entitled to see within it whatever you want, and you can even try to talk me into it...as long as you understand, that we should probably avoid the silly games about "wise one" and "general chat"...
Be smart about it...otherwise i might as well start reading "cosmo" or watch Oprah.

That is a good thing, becuse you have not so far. You were the one who made a judgement on the condition the forum had come to becuse of the topic of the tread ,as you judged my post silly...yes. For some one who drones on and on with the physo babble you are mighty judgementel, all I was saying if you don't like the direction things are going start a thread, the oh wise one referes to your condaending manner. If you have something to say do so in less then 1700 words would be nice if you can manage it. And iI would never stay up late waiting for you do say orr do anything. It seems you are already reading Cosmo and watching Oprah with a good sized helping of Dr. Phil.

Seems like you wuld rather sit back and snip about the ways things are then do anything about it, "how's that workin for ya" I don't think it would work to well in the woods either.

[BraggSurvivor]

Good question Bragg...

Let me make sure i understand your question...you mean, one has to be "insane" to live in LA ? Or living in LA is contradictory to a survival understanding ? Or am i in LA for motivations having to do with survival skills ?

I guess none of the above.
I have lived in many places...in a trailer in the high desert, in the country in south of France, i hitch hiked through out the south west for months, i lived in Paris for years...but none of those places, which all had their benefits and setbacks in terms of survival, were chosen for or by survival standards.
I live in LA because that is where life brought me.
It is not because i live in LA that i practice survival skills...and survival, or the ideas brought on by certain knowledge regarding survival, does not dictate my location.

My location, is of a more abstract matter.
In a way, your question is similar to asking why a soldier would occupy a war zone.
His answer will not be made of a certain survival knowledge, or reflect his intellectual prowess's, or even reflect a certain motivation...no, his answer would be like mine...abstract and full of paradoxes...


Excellent answer remy.

I was in LA a few years ago and got lost, totally out of my element. Your a tougher man than me. :)

[Alpine_Sapper]

My location, is of a more abstract matter.
In a way, your question is similar to asking why a soldier would occupy a war zone.
His answer will not be made of a certain survival knowledge, or reflect his intellectual prowess's, or even reflect a certain motivation...no, his answer would be like mine...abstract and full of paradoxes...

Um, yeah...I think you give most soldiers to much credit as philosophers. If you ask most of them why they're occupying a warzone, you get something along the lines of "Because this is where they told me to go.". Not to abstract and not to many paradoxes there.

[beerrunner13]

Sapper you know that and I know that but do we really know that and apparently the garasshopper is up to his old tricks, al lot of words and never an answer.

[Ridge Wolf]

The Wolves Within

An old Grandfather said to his grandson, who came to him with anger at a friend who had done him an injustice.... "Let me tell you a story. I too, at times, have felt great hate for those who have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do. But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your enemy. It's like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die.

"I have struggled with these feelings many times.

"It is as if there are two wolves inside me; one is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him and does not take offense when no offense was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way. But...the other wolf... ah! The littlest thing will send him into a fit of temper. He fights everyone, all of the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger, for his anger will change nothing.

"Sometimes it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit."

The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes and asked, "Which one wins, Grandfather?"

The Grandfather smiled and quietly said, "The one I feed."

-- A Native American tale told many times around the Sacred Fire

[beerrunner13]

Point taken

[Sam]

Why do we seem to fall on each others throats? Oh yeah because we are humans. I don't follow sports, so I don't know who will win the UFC thing. I hope Braggs man does ok. I think people wind up where they need to be. And sometimes we wind up where the wife wants to live. ;)

[Alpine_Sapper]

What has philosophy anything to do with saying..."i don't know" ?
I don't know if you have spent much time with soldiers...i have...and their answers are rarely as basic as this...i mean, Forest Gump might have said "because this is where they told me to go", but even forest Gump "followed" or anticipated, something that was completely abstract..."i just felt like running"..."i played ping pong all day"...etc...are all examples of a certain inspiration, that none of us can really pin down.
In many ways, we are where we are for reasons that mostly escape us...and what escapes us is mostly abstract...

As for paradoxes, there is nothing more paradoxical than a war....nothing.

You should have been a politician. You find ways to dance around spouting all kinds of rhetoric and never really say anything.

I've spent a lot of time with soldiers, being deployed, and most of them didn't wax philosophical about why they were there. They simply understood they were there because they were told to be. Sure, they may have been in the military because of some complex set of issues in their personal life, just about everybody was/is that ever enlisted. And I think that most soldiers have a pretty good understanding of the politics that got them to the warzone if they so choose to inform themselves. Otherwise they just didn't really give a damn.

And I'm not arguing whether war is or is not a paradox, it was more about the "paradoxical nature of the soldiers answer about why he's in a warzone". But whatever. I'm not really feeling another public throwdown in the forums over what essentially amounts to absolutely nothing, ultimately causing the mods to close the thread.

[awfoxden]

ridge wolf - thanks for the story.

this is a good example of what discusion and differences of opinion and being human engaged in dialog from all diferent walks of life brings. a gem - a nuget whatever you want to call it. stories and sayings that are common place to one that have never been heard of by another. this is just another of several nugetts i will put in my stash to be used with the boys i work with on a regular basis.

does ufc have anything to do with survival? it may or may not, but good information that does still finds its way into the discusion.

[Alpine_Sapper]

You are probably right...god forbid we would actually have a discussion. Calling it a throw down is a tad dramatic though, and if all of this amounted to nothing, you wouldn't have spent the time to make that statement.
As for politicians...well, you elect them...you breed them, you nurture them, you fashion them...not the other way around...and if you just had a hint of perspicacity, you would realize that i would make a lousy politician.

I don't know what "never really saying anything" means...i would guess that you mean you don't understand, or you can't understand what i say, or you simply do not care, but i will give you the benefit of the doubt, and go with what i say does not speak to you...which is ok of course.

Speaking is like cooking...you obviously do not like the taste of mine...and i find yours insipid and hermetic, the "meals in less than 10 minutes" method maybe...that is what most allow for their digestion also, and this world of yours, constantly searching for the fastest meal, will become more and more insipid...more and more fashioned for the MRE...

If you were looking for the paradox in the following answer: "because i was told to", look no further than the first word...be-cause, is indeed a paradox, and war without soldiers does not make much sense. So either way, there is still no greater paradox than war, for wars and soldiers are one. There is no "philosophy" behind what i am saying, nor my words are empty of condiments and perfumes from the deserts of your visions.
The word "abstract" or "paradox" does not exude the pleasures of sunday morning philosophy, they belong to a realm that is a lot closer to the heart of things than philosophy could ever be. Philosophy is an affair of the mind, a disease, brought on by the denaturalization and the dichotomies of our ever so present ideas and beliefs.

My cooking is not of philosophy, in fact, philosophy makes me laugh, except maybe a little Nietzsche on those rainy days when my mind wanders unchecked. You talk about philosophy and politics like you would throw on some salt and pepper in a soup already cold...i have no business in those two realms, and saying that soldiers or anyone understands the politics that govern our destinies, our lives, is making me smile.

I could obviously go on for hours...cooking and basting a meal your taste buds would probably never recognize.
I have no need for all those truths thrown in a microwave oven for 24 seconds...for the truths that do not flow from our flesh.
I dance, because if i stopped, you would forget how to dance.
I dance, because if i stopped, you would believe we have hungry wolves within us trying to dominate abstract ideas.
What a paradox...

rofl. All that pretty rhetoric to call me stupid, or how did you put it, without "a hint of perspicacity"...I have enough "perspicacity" to know that;

A: It took you all that to insult me, when most people can suffice with a simple one liner.

B: You need to spout that crap to make yourself feel intelligent to compensate for something else that's lacking in your life.

I'm sorry you're so unfulfilled in the other areas of your life that you need to come on here and try to make yourself feel more intelligent by trying to stuff as many $.50 words into a post as you can.

But since this has nothing to do with Wilderness Survival, I'm done with this conversation. Have a nice life.

[wareagle69]

most of you do not understand why some of us would choose to enter the cage as with anything in life for us it is because of this one thing

i became an airborne ranger-to challenge myself to see what i was capable of
i became a professional bullrider to challenge myself and to see what i was made of

i have a record of 6-1 in the mma scene because i wished to challenge myself and see what i was made of

i leave society and enter the bush for two weeks with limite supplies because i wish to challenge myself and see what i am made of..



i see myself as a warrior not to cause harm to others but to challenge myself when in these circumstances i do not ask myself why but why not do you not feel alive at this moment i choose not to sit on the front porch when i am 80 and say i wish i had...but rather will have a hot young nurse wheel me out to the front porch and smile in the fact that i have lived.

i hope this clears up for anyof you as to why some of us choose to fight whether in the armed forces or in the cage..


always be prepared-prepare all ways...

[wareagle69]

perspicous-adj plain to the understanding esp because of clairity and precision of presentation


well that certainly cleared it up

[Beo]

Personally, to me, Ultimate Fighting or MMA matches is not survival in the way I preceive it. Pitting two men in a ring to see which one will come out on top is of no use.
In the Ranger's we didn't pit ourselves against each other, we were professional soldiers, warriors, or whatever you wanna call it. Sure there was friendly competition but it was about doing the right thing and what my country sent me to do.
That being said I am a fight fan, and hope St. Pierre comes out on top. But to me its just entertainment. Having completed my training (boy was that long) I am back now, so I will be here from time to time when not serving warrants. My job has taken a new direction in being on the Sheriff's SRT and a duty day consists of serving high risk warrants and hunting fellon's in our county and backing local cops in townships and the city, as well as raiding drug houses or whatever comes up. The men I work with on SRT are the homefront warriors to me, and hero's all.
If anyone heard about the two Colerain Twp. Firefighters that died in a fire a week ago, I have been gone also for them, they were good friends and fellow emergency personal. But I'm back now!!! Muhhhhhaaaaaa!!!!

[wareagle69]

Isn't "challenging yourself" an other way of saying "discovering yourself" ?
Understanding your limits, your nature...your mind.
This challenge, is directed to your mind yes ?

Glad to see you are still around buddy.

now your talking semantics but yes you are quite correct i have always said that riding a bull is mental same as getting in a cage it is not a physical challange but a mental one i have beaten men that were better fighters than me probably all of them but i was able to get in their heads(that and way better cardio)

[wareagle69]

Personally, to me, Ultimate Fighting or MMA matches is not survival in the way I preceive it. Pitting two men in a ring to see which one will come out on top is of no use.
In the Ranger's we didn't pit ourselves against each other, we were professional soldiers, warriors, or whatever you wanna call it. Sure there was friendly competition but it was about doing the right thing and what my country sent me to do.
That being said I am a fight fan, and hope St. Pierre comes out on top. But to me its just entertainment. Having completed my training (boy was that long) I am back now, so I will be here from time to time when not serving warrants. My job has taken a new direction in being on the Sheriff's SRT and a duty day consists of serving high risk warrants and hunting fellon's in our county and backing local cops in townships and the city, as well as raiding drug houses or whatever comes up. The men I work with on SRT are the homefront warriors to me, and hero's all.
If anyone heard about the two Colerain Twp. Firefighters that died in a fire a week ago, I have been gone also for them, they were good friends and fellow emergency personal. But I'm back now!!! Muhhhhhaaaaaa!!!!

you are missing the point as to why most men get into the cage yes some are there for personal glory some for fame and fortune but most are there for the challenge the cage is just one outlet for it if mma did not exsist they would find other ways

[Beo]

There are other ways to challenge yourself, but I don't disagree with you I just don't see it as a form of survival, but that's just me. Now as far as pitting one fighter against another, I agree there is nothing better than the UFC except maybe for putting them in the street and getting rid of the rules. As I said I am a fight fan.
Or it may be that I challenge myself in other ways... yes that's more to what I meant.
But if that outlet works for them then great, especially cause I'm gonna watch.

[wareagle69]

but it is a form of survival- survival is 90 percent mental i think we will all agree on that so is riding a bull or fighting if you doubt yourself you are done in any aspect of life..

[BraggSurvivor]

I think that what George is doing is certainly survival. He started out in martial arts at 5 years old because he needed to protect himself. He was beaten up daily for his lunch money and clothes on his back. Sure it's entertainment now, but at the same time he built he way to the top. Surviving the octogon is survival in my books.

wareagle, if you even got in that ring (win or lose) my hat is off to you and you got some big huevos my friend.

[wareagle69]

naw not really i just always have talked allot of sh*t but always the first to back it up mean while always asking myself why i talk so much trash first guy to get ink in my company first to go aussie out of a blackhawk butmaybe thats why i do it cuz i forces my self to taes myself although not always the best thing to do gotten me in a few spots before also now tdw just says i'm boring cuz i only go into the bush but i think she also likes the spotlight of being my wife in those situations

[BraggSurvivor]

I got too pretty a face to get it all lumped up. Yea, thats it. :D

[wareagle69]

really hmmm see i didn't get that from your pics maybe i need a new moniter

[Alpine_Sapper]

I got too pretty a face to get it all lumped up. Yea, thats it. :D

So do YOU think St. Pierre is hungry enough to get it this time?

[BraggSurvivor]

So do YOU think St. Pierre is hungry enough to get it this time?

I think so, there should be no excuse this time. There is also a huge incentive to win as well.

St. Pierre would be the highest paid fighter based on his contract (Liddel holds $500K per fight now - win or lose) and win bonuses will double if he wins this fight to regain the title.

Nice thing about MMA though, as we seen before, it only takes one punch. You just never know.

[dilligaf2u2]

I think we have just reached an all time low with this one...coupled with the tacky jokes on the "survival tips" thread, we might finally succeed in rendering this forum into a shapeless dump for anything that crosses our minds.
Survival, is also and maybe primarily about moderation...


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Moderate your mind.

One fool beating another fool for money and caling it sport!

Don

[Sam]

Don't begin it if you ain't there to win it. It is a long way of saying give all you have to something ( family, country, religion, what have you) I have found that when I give all I have to something I win either way. But then I'm an ole' jarhead from Mississippi, what do I know.

[BraggSurvivor]

One fool beating another fool for money and caling it sport!

Don


What makes them fools Don? What do you do/did for a living?

[wareagle69]

One fool beating another fool for money and caling it sport!

Don

you are entitled to your opinions but coming from someone who has competed it is not about that maybe reread my earlier posts, have you ever talked to any competitors to see why they do it?

[Ole WV Coot]

I've fought over a lot less, kinda like the fat, ugly woman that kept looking gooder & gooder to me the more I drank. I think that's a sport, just pays better than some. That is a natural aptitude just like other sports heroes have. (p.s. I got beat up over that gal so I guess that made me the winner.)

[Rick]

I don't know Coot. I hear tell that if you marry a fat, ugly woman she'll never leave you and even if she does you haven't lost anything. That's just a rumor, though. I don't put much stock in rumors.

[Alpine_Sapper]

One fool beating another fool for money and caling it sport!

Don

I compete as well as wareagle. There really isn't a better form of competition that I can think of. I mean, any fool can go out and put a football in the endzone or a basketball through a hoop.

But what's the most dangerous prey you can hunt?

Your confining yourself to a limited area with no environmental advantages, and you're only possible advantages are the levels of physical conditioning and mental apptitude. So it's no longer a hunt, but a direct confrontation with an equal, or close to equal, opponent.

I got a lot of friends in the circuits here in TX.
For me, it's not about the money at all, but I don't compete at paid competitions.

I do it to maintain my survival skills. Survival in a physical altercation on the street is just as important as being able to start a fire. Moreso in my environment.

I do it for free, for the effin' fun of it.

I guess that makes me a bigger fool than St. Pierre and Serra, huh?

But I bet you wouldn't tell me that in person. ;)

[Alpine_Sapper]

Yet, we still moronically think that we are "the most dangerous" thing around.
You are more likely, by a mile, to die from one of those little guys, than a bar fight.


Actually, what I said was, "But what's the most dangerous prey you can hunt."
Most of us aren't doctors, so if you wanna go off and hunt virii and bacteria, why don't you go to medical school?
You don't have any clue about how I live, so maybe your frail self is more afraid of a disease, but *shrug* your fears are your issue. And viruses don't think, don't "hunt", they just infect, and many of the ones that you mentioned, like AIDS, require stupidity like unsafe sex or sharing dirty needles to contract.



"2000" years of evolution they say...all i see is the same...and more of the same...pissing, farting, drinking, ****ing, eating, hunting...it's enough.
We get it...you are the most dangerous thing around.


I never said I was the most dangerous thing around. If you're intimidated, *shrug* it's ok, fear is natural in all prey animals.

And all you see is the same because that's all you open your eyes to. Maybe if you toned down the rhetoric a little bit you could do a little bit more drinking and "****ing" and lighten up a bit. :D



Imagine, all that time and training, all that sweat, all that effort, all that determination towards intelligence...and not the intelligence promoted by faculties and diplomas, i mean real intelligence...the one that would allow you to consciously govern your body, to make it small when you need it to be small, to make it strong and agile, when you need him to be strong and agile, to make it coherent while facing a predator of any kind...imagine then, the "fun" you would have....imagine then, what you could tell me in person.

Sooooo....you being so intelligent, you can make your body small when it needs to be? Make a video and get famous.
We get it...you are the most intelligent thing around. And that gives you the ability to use your mind to manipulate your physical attributes as you need to. A real life X-man.

And uh, what do you know about how *I* train anyway? Just because I'm a martial artist doesn't mean I'm an "MMA figher" as you see it.

But Remy, sweetheart, I'd tell you the same thing in person no matter what, but you'd never hear it because you can't shut up. :)

And since I took the bait and answered your post this time, I'll go ahead and say this too; the only reason you have such a negative attitude towards martial arts is because you don't have the discipline that it takes to REALLY make something out of your body and your mind. So you focus on the easy one for you. Or you just couldn't cut it and kept getting your azz kicked.

Either way, I gots nuthin else 2 say 2 U.

[rebel]

Knowing the both of you from this forum I know you both would give the shirts off your backs to help not only someone but also each other.

I found this quote: " Ruin and recovery are both from within". - Epictetus (?).

We all have strengths and weaknesses.

[rebel]

It seems I end alot of threads. That should probably mean something to me?

Anyway, good luck to your relative Bragg.

[crashdive123]

Oh don't worry Rebel. I've got a feeling this isn't over yet. After all, the fight hasn't taken place yet. Plenty of time for us to yammer on about stuff. (.....and if it does end, now you can blame this post)

[beerrunner13]

Actually, what I said was, "But what's the most dangerous prey you can hunt."
Most of us aren't doctors, so if you wanna go off and hunt virii and bacteria, why don't you go to medical school?
You don't have any clue about how I live, so maybe your frail self is more afraid of a disease, but *shrug* your fears are your issue. And viruses don't think, don't "hunt", they just infect, and many of the ones that you mentioned, like AIDS, require stupidity like unsafe sex or sharing dirty needles to contract.



I never said I was the most dangerous thing around. If you're intimidated, *shrug* it's ok, fear is natural in all prey animals.

And all you see is the same because that's all you open your eyes to. Maybe if you toned down the rhetoric a little bit you could do a little bit more drinking and "****ing" and lighten up a bit. :D



Sooooo....you being so intelligent, you can make your body small when it needs to be? Make a video and get famous.
We get it...you are the most intelligent thing around. And that gives you the ability to use your mind to manipulate your physical attributes as you need to. A real life X-man.

And uh, what do you know about how *I* train anyway? Just because I'm a martial artist doesn't mean I'm an "MMA figher" as you see it.

But Remy, sweetheart, I'd tell you the same thing in person no matter what, but you'd never hear it because you can't shut up. :)

And since I took the bait and answered your post this time, I'll go ahead and say this too; the only reason you have such a negative attitude towards martial arts is because you don't have the discipline that it takes to REALLY make something out of your body and your mind. So you focus on the easy one for you. Or you just couldn't cut it and kept getting your azz kicked.

Either way, I gots nuthin else 2 say 2 U.

Come on Sapper we talked about this. He knows all ,says nothing the more you pay attention to him the bigger he becomes in his own mind and yet still says nothing. But ya gotta give him credit he knows a lot of big words and never gets tired of typeing. He is some little twep sittin in mommys basement haveing fun on his PC he would not last 5 min in the woods, he wouuld try to talk the fire into starting it's self and when it didn't he would die. As old as I am I would love a few min in the ring with him, but that would take him from his cyber world in to the real world and he seems to like it in " Remys" world or Vols world or who ever he is today I also am done with this. He will never say anything or answer a question, just type away and say nothing and take up space here. Pretty much like he is doing in real life.

[crashdive123]

Here's a thought. Agree or disagree, that sometimes makes life fun. I would like to see us ALL stop the personal attacks. I know that they are sometimes difficult to stay away from, but they really don't do much to further any arguments......just create new ones. Thanks all for listening.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Come on Sapper we talked about this. He knows all ,says nothing the more you pay attention to him the bigger he becomes in his own mind and yet still says nothing. But ya gotta give him credit he knows a lot of big words and never gets tired of typeing. He is some little twep sittin in mommys basement haveing fun on his PC he would not last 5 min in the woods, he wouuld try to talk the fire into starting it's self and when it didn't he would die. As old as I am I would love a few min in the ring with him, but that would take him from his cyber world in to the real world and he seems to like it in " Remys" world or Vols world or who ever he is today I also am done with this. He will never say anything or answer a question, just type away and say nothing and take up space here. Pretty much like he is doing in real life.

lol. I know, I know man. Like I said, I'm done with him. I've had my fun.

Hope he armed the security system.
I heard there were some AIDS hunting his backdoor. :eek:

[beerrunner13]

..ZZZZZZZZZZZZ oh did you say something I fell asleep looking for the point you never make still can't answer a simple question. Go feed your dog he is the only one who cares what you have to say and he wouldn't if ya didnt feed hin or dose moomy do that too. Marine? ya right. Joke ,,,,of course....yes? Go judge yourself he who runs off at he mounth and still has said nothing. I will give you this you type good.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Here's a thought. Agree or disagree, that sometimes makes life fun. I would like to see us ALL stop the personal attacks. I know that they are sometimes difficult to stay away from, but they really don't do much to further any arguments......just create new ones. Thanks all for listening.

No prob, bob.

[crashdive123]

"Personal attacks" are necessary my friend.
Just look at "nature".

In a format such as this they seem to just evoke an emotional response. Now if that is the goal of the attack, I understand. Just don't see them as useful in this format.

[crashdive123]

So to recognize and weigh a force is what...part of survival? Is that the goal in a situation such as the ones you describe?

[crashdive123]

I think I understand what you're saying. Wouldn't it be accurate then that if there were two opponents (UFC or anywhere else), both trying to play the role of the antagonist and elicit an emotional response so as to "get into the head" of the other and distract them from their goal, that that would be in a sense a skill that could be valuable in a survival situation? Somebody that participates in cage fighting would, I imagine work to hone that skill, which should serve them well in a survival situation. For example distracting a mugger.

[Sam]

I'm dizzy, make the merry-go-round stop. I thought this thread was about Braggs friend or cousin or something and a sporting event. Why are we throwing rocks here. I happen to think 98% of the folks on this fourm are smart. I learn stuff here from all of you. I don't get sports on TV. I don't understand psychology either, so I guess I don't see how this cat fight started. Explain it please.

[BraggSurvivor]

Wow, I just want to see St. Pierre kick Serra in the eye.

Now I feel bummed out. :(

[Alpine_Sapper]

Wow, I just want to see St. Pierre kick Serra in the eye.

Now I feel bummed out. :(

lol. Why? We've got our very own little UFC going here. It's very exciting to watch. Kinda like a super-slow plane crash.

[BraggSurvivor]

It's all good. ;)

Just feel like crap is all. Healing sucks. Snowing like a bugger too which adds to the gloomyness. Oh well, the fight on the weekend will perk me up.

[Alpine_Sapper]

It's all good. ;)

Just feel like crap is all. Healing sucks. Snowing like a bugger too which adds to the gloomyness. Oh well, the fight on the weekend will perk me up.

yep yep. Sorry 'bout the accident bro. Wish it was snowing here. 11 months of summer sucks azz. But yeah, I'm looking forward to the fight. Should be a good card all around.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Less than 36 hours....

[BraggSurvivor]

I was gonna have the fight here but we are expecting snow for the next 5 days. Snow builds up on the dish and screws up the picture. My brother in law is on cable in Calgary and I asked if he would host it. He said no problem if I paid for it.

No ribs or wings for him!

[Rick]

I'm glad you clarified that. I thought you were actually going to have Pierre and Serra at your house. You're living room would have been a mess after they got done.;)

[BraggSurvivor]

Yea, Serra's teeth and blood all over the new carpet......:D

[crashdive123]

Yea, Serra's teeth and blood all over the new carpet......:D

We can hope.......might PO the wife though.:D

[Ole WV Coot]

We're gonna feel like a bunch of idiots if we called this one wrong. Maybe I can hedge my bet to the first round.

[Alpine_Sapper]

*shrug* Not really, Coot. I mean, a fight can go either way at any point. All it takes is one lucky punch. Just ask St. Pierre about the last time. :eek:

[BraggSurvivor]

We're gonna feel like a bunch of idiots if we called this one wrong. Maybe I can hedge my bet to the first round.

I'm gonna go middle of the second round submission for St. Pierre. I either think your gonna see St.Pierre come out like a feury with hude leg kicks or very cautious for the first 60 seconds then let the guns loose. Then beat him to a pulp.

The other fight that could be just as exciting is the Franklin vs Lutter fight. Lutter was the closest guy to ever come to beating Anderson Silva.

Interesting night for sure. :cool:

[Ole WV Coot]

I think you're right Bragg. He may just take him out with a decent kick in the 2nd but IMO I don't see Serra making it thru the 1st. Don't see a submission tho.

[BraggSurvivor]

I think you're right Bragg. He may just take him out with a decent kick in the 2nd but IMO I don't see Serra making it thru the 1st. Don't see a submission tho.

I'm basing it on being in his home town. He doesnt want it to be over too quick and it's revenge time. I think its stand up in the first and to the ground in the second.

[Alpine_Sapper]

I think Serra's fast enough those kicks are gonna be ineffective. It's gonna be hands or a submission imho.

[BraggSurvivor]

Fore sure, anything could happen Alpine. Serra went from a 10-1 under dog in the first fight to a 4-1 in this fight. St. Pierre being in his backyard could work for him or against him.

One thing for sure, Serra is gonna get a big Boo from that crowd.

[crashdive123]

Well - good luck to GSP tonight.

[BraggSurvivor]

Yes George, good luck!

[GVan]

Braft them both and send them to Iran.

[nell67]

So GSP won???

[crashdive123]

So GSP won???

Yep. TKO in the second round. (read it this morning - didn't watch last night)

[BraggSurvivor]

Total domination from beginning to end. GSP is back to his old self again.

Serra also went up a couple notches in my book as well. Complete gentleman in defeat, and the crowd actually cheers him.

GSP highlite reels:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5378428400486407409

[nell67]

Congrats to the cousin Bragg.

[crashdive123]

Yeah - congrats to your cousin. How were the other fights of the night?

[Alpine_Sapper]

Total domination from beginning to end. GSP is back to his old self again.

Serra also went up a couple notches in my book as well. Complete gentleman in defeat, and the crowd actually cheers him.

GSP highlite reels:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5378428400486407409

lol. Yeah, he coulda been a complete d0uch3 and flipped off the crowd.

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