In case you guys haven't seen this yet....pitch forks time.

[BraggSurvivor]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XDkAeB0sn54




The solution to the mainstream media problem is a simple one:

1) Cancel your cable subscription and do away with the idiot box. It's a medium geared towards people with an eighth grade education level and its function is to distract, misinform, censor, serve as a propaganda outlet, and convince people to buy things they don't need. I haven't watched television in years and don't miss it. (also gives me an excuse to go to the pub and watch UFC and boxing) ;)

2) Cancel all mainstream print media subscriptions. They serve the same destructive role in society that television does.

3) Support independent media.

It amazes me how many people financially support these worthless media corporations and simultaneously complain about them.

[Sam Reeves]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XDkAeB0sn54




The solution to the mainstream media problem is a simple one:

1) Cancel your cable subscription and do away with the idiot box. It's a medium geared towards people with an eighth grade education level and its function is to distract, misinform, censor, serve as a propaganda outlet, and convince people to buy things they don't need.

What amazes me is just how few people own all of the communication, media, Finance, Entertainment, Hotels, etc. You could probably fit every one of the SOBs in a barroom.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Hold on...I think mah tin foil hat is slipping...:eek:

Ahh, that's better.:D

But that guy has a very valid point, and you both make some just as valid. Unfortunately, most people either never look at it that way, or they choose to turn a blind eye to it so they can fit in. Or worse, they think that's the only way to live, and and that "anything less would be uncivilized".

[Rick]

Are they SOBs because they have money or because they have power? What exactly makes them SOBs as opposed to....say....me?

[Alpine_Sapper]

Are they SOBs because they have money or because they have power? What exactly makes them SOBs as opposed to....say....me?

Their business ethics, or lack thereof.

Business Ethics, in the hands of a corporation, is an oxymoron.

The power of greedy people in a small group, in charge of other greedy sheeple in a large group who simply want to get paid and don't want to blow the whistle...

*removes tin foil hat*
ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY CORPORATION!
*replace tin foil hat*

[Rick]

See, I don't get that. I spent a lot of years in a corporation that I thought had very high ethics. I've seen a lot of examples in other companies as well. Lincoln Arc Welders for one. My company operates on the highest of ethics. Just because it is a corporation doesn't mean it's unethical or does things illegally.

Read about some good people and take off the jaded glasses.

http://www.timesizing.com/1gmktrin.htm

[Alpine_Sapper]

See, I don't get that. I spent a lot of years in a corporation that I thought had very high ethics. I've seen a lot of examples in other companies as well. Lincoln Arc Welders for one. My company operates on the highest of ethics. Just because it is a corporation doesn't mean it's unethical or does things illegally.

Read about some good people and take off the jaded glasses.

http://www.timesizing.com/1gmktrin.htm

I agree there are a few decent CEO's or corporations out there, hell, I work for one of them. But overall, they are few and far between.

And like the SAS Shoes "Christmas Bonus" thing:

"Comments are being kept to an absolute minimum," Mann said. "We are a very private company, so this is the most publicity we have ever received, and it is not very welcome."

I call shenanigans.

A cool G for every year they worked for the company? Come on....

CEO: "We need a tax break. We're gonna go bankrupt paying all that to the Gov."

Yes Man (CFO): "We could give the extra money out as a Xmas bonus...It would solve the tax problem, and it would make the employees L-O-V-E love us. We can give $1000 for every year they've been with the company. "

CEO: "You can't be serio..."

Yes Man: "How long have you been with the company, sir?"

CEO: "waiiiit...it's so crazy it just might work..."

You never know what's REALLY going on behind the scenes, ya know? Public appearances are just that...appearances carefully crafted to keep the private stuff private.

[Rick]

Alpine - In most companies, bonuses are established the previous year as part of the overall budget. Let's assume that is $10,000 set aside and there are 1000 employees just to make it simple. You can either distribute that across the board or based on merit. It's rarely an end of year decision on the total amount but certainly can (and will) be if it is based on merit.

CEO's are no different than the majority of the population. Some are good, some are bad and the majority are honest folks doing the best they can to keep their company running and really do have their employees best interests in mind. Saying good companies are few and far between is analogous to saying good people are few and far between and I know better than that.

[BraggSurvivor]

Rick, Rick, Rick, just when I thought you were...........


:p

[Alpine_Sapper]

Saying good companies are few and far between is analogous to saying good people are few and far between and I know better than that.

When I said that about corporations I was thinking of the majority of the large companies...

Motorola, Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, Microsoft, IBM, Microsoft...Did I say Microsoft? :D

Seriously though, just because a company chooses to incorporate does not mean they immediately sold their soul to the dark side. But I've seen it in several companies, they start out AWESOME, with all these great perks, and they give back to the community, etc.etc. As they start to grow, the focus shifts less to the people they employee and those they affect and more towards money. The bottom line. Then eventually, it becomes a scenario where yoda is looking at the board of directors, shaking his head and going "The force is strong in them, yes, but went to the darkside they did."

Maybe my perception of corporations is jaded because I deal with tech companies all the time. I am aware that the ethics practices tend to get overlooked a lot more in that industry than in some others, such as say, the UL backpacking companies. But it seems like when a company moves from privately held to publicly traded stocks something significant in the way it's ran shifts and things get...shady.

[Sam Reeves]

Are they SOBs because they have money or because they have power? What exactly makes them SOBs as opposed to....say....me?

They are SOBs because of the way they have made their money.

[Sam Reeves]

Alpine - In most companies, bonuses are established the previous year as part of the overall budget. Let's assume that is $10,000 set aside and there are 1000 employees just to make it simple. You can either distribute that across the board or based on merit. It's rarely an end of year decision on the total amount but certainly can (and will) be if it is based on merit.

CEO's are no different than the majority of the population. Some are good, some are bad and the majority are honest folks doing the best they can to keep their company running and really do have their employees best interests in mind. Saying good companies are few and far between is analogous to saying good people are few and far between and I know better than that.If you truly believe this you nothing about business. It's a dog eat dog world and the biggest dogs are the ones who ate the most dog.

[BraggSurvivor]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6LnZBE6sOq4&feature=related

[Alpine_Sapper]

If you truly believe this you nothing about business. It's a dog eat dog world and the biggest dogs are the ones who ate the most dog.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/photo/2006/01/27/2005048968

:D:eek::D:eek::D:eek::D:eek::D:eek::D:eek::D:eek:: D:eek::D:eek::D:eek:

[Sam Reeves]

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/photo/2006/01/27/2005048968

:D:eek::D:eek::D:eek::D:eek::D:eek::D:eek::D:eek:: D:eek::D:eek::D:eek:

That's what I would call an extreme survival technique. :p

[beerrunner13]

The mainstream media was sold a long time ago.

[BraggSurvivor]

The mainstream media was sold a long time ago.

Explain beerrunner.

[beerrunner13]

I will when I get back Bragg and I can figure out how to do it in a semi PC way which will be hard as it is political. Let me start with if you have wached any of the debates or followed any of the presidenteal farce taht is going on here has anyone noticed how soft the questions are that Obama gets? After the melt down of his preacher man on tape he went into hideing and cameout with his spin onita few days latter and one reporter had the balls to campare it to Lincon speechs. The fact that Ron Paul goes agaist the system and get pretty much no media attentionbut has tons of people supporting him. Most people think he has droped out of the race,not the case at all, he will never get elected but that is not the point.

The way the media paints anyone who is not in step with the PC party line is an extremist or radical. The fact that there are gay, brown and black pride parades but a white pride parade would be a racist thing. The media creates the image of the one world one goverment as a good thing. Now I went and did it I can see the flameing now. But think about this , when ever a regime takes over the first things they do I gain control of the media and outlaw guns.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Most people think he has droped out of the race,not the case at all, he will never get elected but that is not the point.


I know he's definitely not getting the funding he was. Can't really say how, all I know is his campaign is hurting financially and that's a major reason he's not as vocal as the other three.

[BraggSurvivor]

Ron Paul makes it into Time.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1724358,00.html?cnn=yes

Down, with no chance, but at least making a mark.

[beerrunner13]

Down but not out


http://www.massgop.com/FlexPage.aspx?area=convention

[Sam Reeves]

The way the media paints anyone who is not in step with the PC party line is an extremist or radical. The fact that there are gay, brown and black pride parades but a white pride parade would be a racist thing. The media creates the image of the one world one goverment as a good thing. Now I went and did it I can see the flameing now. But think about this , when ever a regime takes over the first things they do I gain control of the media and outlaw guns.That's what creeps that led the Bolshevik Revolution did. WWII never really ended. It started when Germany and Russia invaded Poland. In 1945 Germany had to give it's half of Poland back. Not only did the Red Army not have to give it's part of Poland back but it also got to keep half of Germany and good chunk of Europe. Patton is furious about this. Stalin was getting to big for his britches. Before Patton could make too much noise about whatever it is that he knew he got run over by a supply truck. The man feisty commander that whipped Rommel across the deserts of North Africa got hit by a huge slow moving vehicle? That's the official story. So instead of Killing the Red Army and burring it by the Spring of 1946 we just came back home. Then there was Korea and the even more senseless Vietnam. Afghanistan was almost believable.After awhile our high dollar junk became obsolete so we had to sell it off to Iraq and Iran and give them something to play nice with each other with. Then there was a possibility of a Star Wars that supposedly finally brought the giant down. Somehow Desertsheild turned into Desert Storm and it all went to hell from there.

In the meantime Communism was never defeated. At the end of any reign there is ceremony a beheading or something. Russia just sleep while a word called "Globalism" just became more and familiar. Now Russia is back and ready to pounce on something. The word "Globalism" is really just another word for wide spread communism. Ironically now America has become a bunch of needy, lazy, give it all away commies while the Russians have become hard core nationalists. Anyway, in the span of 70 years America, Russia, and Europe have been taxed to the point of bankruptcy and only one small chummy group of people have all of the money.

See my signature.

[beerrunner13]

Excellt post Sam, Castro did the same thing in Cuba, Tito and the list goes on. Lets not forget the creation of the UN and Isreal. There was a point the Us was not so pro Isreal think Uss Cole and the killing of our sailors noe thier lobby is so powerfull they pretty much dictate US policy in the mid east and they sit back is it any wondwer were are hater in that region? We are spending billions a year to defend thir intrests and hated ny the world for it while our own country sinks deeper into debt, I will stop this is geting way to political but if you can find it read a book called None dare callit conspeicy

[Excalibur]

The government was wondering how to get the public to agree with one of their latest "line our pocket" scheme. Hmm Public opinion is the best way to get anyone to believe what we want. lets go "talk" to big media give them some tax breaks to get them to tell the public "Fill in the blank" to keep them from seeing what is going on in congress so now when ever they are doin something that we wouldnt like the go publish some low brow news to cover, whip it up into a media frenzy, then the powers that be are free to do what they want cause if it gets leaked to the public it will be burried fast and covered by the frenzy of little hanna and her amazing dog