forum question

[randyt]

Due to the recent D&G threads In was wondering about a possible solution. It doesn't matter to me what gets posted, if I find it interesting, I'll read it, if not I won't. With that said could a sub-forum be created that newbies or such couldn't access it. After a certain number of posts it would be accessible. The folks that want to discuss D&G could post their concerns there. It could be called the dungeon or root cellar or some such name. It could be a place to dump threads that get slid into the general forum too. Just a thought, again I don't care one way or the other.

[crashdive123]

I'll call Chris's attention to this thread.

[Chris]

D&G? Can you be a little more elaborate?

[crashdive123]

D&G? Can you be a little more elaborate?

Doom and gloom, government outrage, loss of freedoms, militarizing the nations police forces, politicians not following their oath.... Seems as though there have been a few that are very interested in these topics.

Unfortunately, there have been many that have left the forum because of those types of topics.

[Chris]

All other forums I run I just disallow politics, this forum seemed to do okay without that being necessary, maybe because more of us agree with each other. But I'm getting that people aren't liking it lately so things have changed.

I don't know if I'd call it "Doom and Gloom" that makes a judgement. I'd want to be more neutral.

What would prevent arguments from just migrating there? I can easily hide a forum from newbies, but not from oldies. So if new members are being turned off and leaving that is something that could be prevented, but not old members reaching the end of their ropes.

Of course, I could just say nothing more political, but I run into a problem there, since this is a survival forum, there are obvious and natural connections. Talking about emergency preparedness directly leads to politics in multiple ways, and I recognize people need a place to vent.

So yes, I'm open to suggestions, but lets flesh the idea out some more.

[Ken]

Chris, I may be in the minority, but I genuinely believe that most of the threads some describe as "Doom and Gloom" are relevant topics for discussion here. The line can be drawn, admittedly with a gray area on each side, at political endorsements and posts that attack a particular political party, etc. The only exception should be if Sourdough agrees to run for President again in 2016, LOL.

Most of us are avid and responsible gun owners and strong supporters of the Second Amendment. Discussions about so-called "gun control" efforts are highly relevant, but clearly involve the topic of actions being taken by elected officials.

One recent event over which there was some disagreement here was the door-to-door search conducted in Watertown, Massachusetts, in pursuit of the Boston Marathon bomber. I don't believe that a single member of the Forums failed to applaud his capture or failed to condemn this senseless act of terrorism. Nonetheless, many of us, I perhaps being the most vocal, adamantly opposed and railed against the blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment in every single instance where occupants of homes were ordered, at gunpoint, to allow police to search their homes. I believe that this was a relevant topic for discussion here.

I feel the same way about the militarization of our local police departments and the Department of Homeland Security. (Please don't confuse me with the crazies who insist that there are FEMA detention camps being built around the country.) We see report after report on the front pages of major newspapers on an almost daily basis of instances where unarmed civilians are being killed due to police "mistakes" and "accidents."

We've seen a number of recent incidents where inappropriate police action and military tactics have caused unnecessary deaths. Last week, a SWAT team responded to a home where a 107 year old man, obviously suffering from dementia, had locked himself in his bedroom with a gun. Instead of waiting the situation out, police chose to move in like a military team would, using all of their new toys and guns to kill the old guy. Over the weekend, a police officer shot and killed a recent college grad and football player who was running toward them, unarmed, asking for help. Two bystanders were shot in Times Square by officers who shot at, and missed, an unarmed man. These are, in my opinion, ALL relevant topics.

Topics such as these could possibly be posted in a restricted Forum rather than in the General Chat Forum. That Forum could be accessible to senior members only and not to newbies or non-members. Members who don't want to read such threads could simply avoid that Forum, just as they can avoid Chinese food, pornography, peanuts, and puppies if they don't care for them.

I understand that you own the Forums and that the First Amendment does not apply here, and that we don't want to open the door to nutcases, hate speech, or all-out warfare between members. Decorum should remain a governing principle. Still, I feel that there are enough long-time members here who are interested in such topics that creating a Forum here for such discussions here would be a positive move.

[Sourdough]

Well, you will ALL get no more of what YOU call Doom & Gloom from me. I have no children and I am pushing 67 y/o and I live in the middle of NO-where.

It really does not effect me. I was merely trying to bring it to the attention of those who would be affected. You will not get any more Doom & Gloom from me........ZERO. It started last night, and I have not nor will I post anything negative on this forum from last night forward.

I posted what I have posted in the past, because I cared about the well being of forum members..........And now I just don't care anymore. I just can no longer care about people who don't care about their own future. I wish you all a safe and happy future. I will continue to post a little, but never anything the least bit negative.

[zeroed4x]

Having a place to rant and rave about the political issues that effect us all is a a great idea. No flaming, no insulting, no personal attacks. I think that adults can handle it. If forum users are not adult enough to handle the reality of political discussion, rants and raves, then most likely these same feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers, should simply use their freedom of choice and stay out of it, most likely they don't have much to contribute. I think that being completely open and honest but respectful to others, in an "any topic here" area will be a unique departure from the overly politically correct forums out there.
If its too much trouble, close it down but you would be the only forum who allows it and I think it would bring more people in because of it. Don't pander to the minorities, give something that majority will benefit from.

[Ken]

I do have children and a grandchild, and I'll be quite honest - I'm terrified about the way things are going and how they will be affected by them.

[Rick]

Having a place to rant and rave about the political issues that effect us all is a a great idea. No flaming, no insulting, no personal attacks. I think that adults can handle it. If forum users are not adult enough to handle the reality of political discussion, rants and raves, then most likely these same feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers, should simply use their freedom of choice and stay out of it, most likely they don't have much to contribute. I think that being completely open and honest but respectful to others, in an "any topic here" area will be a unique departure from the overly politically correct forums out there.

Are you kidding me? You just did it. You revert to name calling for anyone that can't hold a discussion. That's too rich. That's exactly how the threads run that's why we've tried to stay away from it. "feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers". That's hardly respectful in anyone's book.


I will continue to post a little, but never anything the least bit negative.

Wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air?

[Ken]

The love of fresh air is the reason some folks don't have doors on their outhouses. :innocent:

[SARKY]

I don't know why the term doom & gloom. It is either fact and reality or it is not. If it is fact, then it should be brought to peoples attention and rational solutions should be bantered about. If you are going to stick your head in the sand when stuff is happening around you, then you are as much a part of the problem.

[woodsman86]

Having a place to rant and rave about the political issues that effect us all is a a great idea. No flaming, no insulting, no personal attacks. I think that adults can handle it. If forum users are not adult enough to handle the reality of political discussion, rants and raves, then most likely these same feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers, should simply use their freedom of choice and stay out of it, most likely they don't have much to contribute. I think that being completely open and honest but respectful to others, in an "any topic here" area will be a unique departure from the overly politically correct forums out there.
If its too much trouble, close it down but you would be the only forum who allows it and I think it would bring more people in because of it. Don't pander to the minorities, give something that majority will benefit from.

You Sir, are the problem as your comments are baseless and without merit for the sake of being vile. After 3 tours in Iraq, I will use my freedom of choice to say something about the negativity that has spread here causing a great decline in active membership. Anytime you want to put your credentials on the table, I would be happy to see them. After 54 posts, you would be one of those "new" members not allowed to participate for reasons clearly demonstrated by your comments.

[woodsman86]

I agree a sub forum for the political talk would be a great idea. This would remove it from the everyday areas of the forum and cater to the wants of the membership that is still here. It should be locked as many of those topics can be out on the edge and in my opinion drive new membership away that get the wrong impression. Both Ken and Sourdough contribute in a lot of other areas of the forum and I believe do care even if we disagree on political topics.

[Winnie]

Yup, it would be a good idea.

[crashdive123]

Having a place to rant and rave about the political issues that effect us all is a a great idea. No flaming, no insulting, no personal attacks. I think that adults can handle it. If forum users are not adult enough to handle the reality of political discussion, rants and raves, then most likely these same feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers, should simply use their freedom of choice and stay out of it, most likely they don't have much to contribute. I think that being completely open and honest but respectful to others, in an "any topic here" area will be a unique departure from the overly politically correct forums out there.
If its too much trouble, close it down but you would be the only forum who allows it and I think it would bring more people in because of it. Don't pander to the minorities, give something that majority will benefit from.

I've got no problems with a subforum area that will allow discussions such as Ken outlined. Keep in mind though that a post like you just made would be grounds for editing and potential disciplinary action regardless of where it is posted. Your post demonstrates why these topics have not been allowed in the past.

[redneckidokie]

I don't mean to be rude. But why does every word said have to be politically correct?
Why is it not ok to get our little feelings hurt,talk it over and move on? On most any subject.
It does get old beating the same dead doom and gloom horse....but in reality, that is why we are all on survival forums of some sort.
We all share the feeling that things may go sideways at any time, and flock together for some commonality.
If you start shutting out certain types of members because they are new, or overly excited it seems like a steep and slippery slope from there on.
It seems easy to me to simply skip threads that do not peek my interest.

Other forums have dungeon areas, and paid private areas that seem to indicate eliteism. FWIW:devil2:

[crashdive123]

This isn't about political correctness. This isn't about hurting somebodies feelings. This is about rules that were set down from the outset regarding no political and no religious discussions. This forum's draw was its wilderness survival theme. This is not a survivalist forum. Lord knows there are plenty of those out there and quite frankly they don't interest me (and I suspect a lot of others as well).

[gryffynklm]

Crash Post 16 I agree.

I would visit a sub forum that would allow what has been labeled as doom and gloom. The articles that SD, Ken and a few others felt concern enough to bring to our awareness on this forum are one of my concerns. Ken's post #6 pretty closely reflects my view on this subject. If they didn't post these articles i would eventually see some of them elsewhere. I have taken the posting of these articles, wether it is stated in the post or not, a way to initiate discussion in part to answer the question, Does this concern anyone like it concerns me?
Perhaps in a sub forum I might participate more in in discussion of the D&G articles.

Perhaps a sub forum participation could be by requesting access. Just a thought.

[natertot]

I see no reason for d&g subforum. If that is what people want, then go to a forum that caters to it. Don't go to Taco Bell and get upset they don't offer a cheeseburger, if you catch my drift. There have been too many good people run off here and info keeps getting more diluted.

Just my .02

[Chris]

Okay you have your subforum

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?48-Anything-Remotely-Political

[Winnie]

Thankyou! It's very much appreciated.

[Ken]

Thank you, Chris! :clap:

[woodsman86]

Great! Thanks.

[zeroed4x]

Are you kidding me? You just did it. You revert to name calling for anyone that can't hold a discussion. That's too rich. That's exactly how the threads run that's why we've tried to stay away from it. "feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers". That's hardly respectful in anyone's book.



Wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air?



I've never called anyone a name or flamed or disparaged anyone personally on this forum RICK, If I talk about someone specific that's another story. If I've made a generalized statement then its up to the individual to decide if they fit into category of who or what. Don't paint me as a bad guy and lets not get into semantics here, thanks.

I'm just a bit more truthful, realistic and honest with most issues. Some people think that by sugar coating the facts or the truth, that they somehow feel better about themselves and the situation. Lets get real, the problems that effect all of us are not going to go away by simply glazing them over with sunshine and fluffy kittens.

Now its up to the forum owner if they want to allow grown up man talk on a political side or a place to rant about issues. If you think its going to be all positive then you are very mistaken. There are going to be people who do not see things the same way, that is just life. Can everyone be adult about it, I think so. I think its informative, entertaining and maybe it will enlighten a few people.

The real question is, is this good for this community. If the issues that effect survival, hunting, camping, and just daily living are too much to handle for this community, then don't do it. I think that most clear thinking adults can handle it as long as there are no personal attacks, no gang flaming on some one else who has an opinion.

[zeroed4x]

Awesome, a sub forum, thank you !!!!!

[Rick]

then most likely these same feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers,

I'm not certain what you call that but three others said the same thing to you. This is why political discussion has been avoided in the past. Folks resort to this kind of name calling when people disagree. Hardly semantics when you call someone a name. But whatever. Enjoy your new forum.

[zeroed4x]

You Sir, are the problem as your comments are baseless and without merit for the sake of being vile. After 3 tours in Iraq, I will use my freedom of choice to say something about the negativity that has spread here causing a great decline in active membership. Anytime you want to put your credentials on the table, I would be happy to see them. After 54 posts, you would be one of those "new" members not allowed to participate for reasons clearly demonstrated by your comments.

Do you make it a habit of being hostile and negative toward others because you've got a different opinion ?
Truly unnecessary hostility for someone with your outstanding credentials. You possibly should abstain from the new sub forum, you might not like it.

[Rick]

I seriously think you are missing the point. How is it everyone else is wrong but you? Frankly, I didn't see anything hostile in his response to you. Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote. I will give you fair warning that if you address others in any forum the way you did in that post it won't stand. The new forum is not a license to attack others.

[welderguy]

Zeroed4x, You seem to be the hostile and negative one, No you didn't call anyone in particular any names but generalizing people you just met is not much different. My guess is you're not here to share and learn survival knowledge. But only time will tell.

[RandyRhoads]

I posted what I have posted in the past, because I cared about the well being of forum members..........And now I just don't care anymore. I will continue to post a little, but never anything the least bit negative.

That sounded pretty negative.

:D

[Ken]

I would like to take this opportunity to announce that I just finished a crock of the best home-made French Onion Soup I've ever concocted. :chef:

[randyt]

Sounds yummy but you really should have posted that in the cooking forum. If memory serves (sometimes it don't) there is a "what I had for supper sticky" perhaps that would be a good place for your french onion soup.

[woodsman86]

Do you make it a habit of being hostile and negative toward others because you've got a different opinion ?
Truly unnecessary hostility for someone with your outstanding credentials. You possibly should abstain from the new sub forum, you might not like it.

Ohh boy, I had to think about this reply. Hostile, maybe in your opinion; unnecessary, not in my opinion. There is nothing in the majority of recent post by you that contributes anything of substance. If you are insinuating I am unable to handle a political conversation, you are very wrong and base that on minimal knowledge of me or the other members. What you need to do read back a few days and see where I raised this issue to the top and what my argument was. It was about separating these topics from this forum where it is not meant to be highlighted. That was either by banning it all together or the compromised solution of a new forum section.

BTW: Feel free to continue spewing your hate for LEO in the new forum...it will only accomplish your s/n being added to the troll thread sooner.

[Ken]

Sounds yummy but you really should have posted that in the cooking forum. If memory serves (sometimes it don't) there is a "what I had for supper sticky" perhaps that would be a good place for your french onion soup.

I know. I was trying to change the subject. That's all. :blushing:

[woodsman86]

I would like to take this opportunity to announce that I just finished a crock of the best home-made French Onion Soup I've ever concocted. :chef:

I just finished eating Apple Butter Roasted Pork Loin and homemade mashed potatoes :)

[randyt]

I know. I was trying to change the subject. That's all. :blushing:


ohhhh!!! my bad

[Ken]

I just finished eating Apple Butter Roasted Pork Loin and homemade mashed potatoes :)


Oh, yeah? :sneaky2: Did you follow up your Apple Butter Roasted Pork Loin and homemade mashed potatoes with a slice of the Absolute Best Homemade Cheesecake in the Entire Universe? With a cold glass of almond milk?

[randyt]

sound like youse guys eat for fun.

[welderguy]

Oh, yeah? :sneaky2: Did you follow up your Apple Butter Roasted Pork Loin and homemade mashed potatoes with a slice of the Absolute Best Homemade Cheesecake in the Entire Universe? With a cold glass of almond milk?

I had a friggin fried bologna sandwich, hope you two get heart burn !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ken]

sound like youse guys eat for fun.

It's a vocation.

[woodsman86]

Oh, yeah? :sneaky2: Did you follow up your Apple Butter Roasted Pork Loin and homemade mashed potatoes with a slice of the Absolute Best Homemade Cheesecake in the Entire Universe? With a cold glass of almond milk?

Nope, even better.....ice cold BEER!

[Rick]

Not even a properly folded jacket pocket or a crisp 4 in hand will get you past almond milk. Everyone knows you can not milk an almond.

[woodsman86]

sound like youse guys eat for fun.

Investment in my survival :D

[Ken]

I had a friggin fried bologna sandwich, hope you two get heart burn !!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, you could always COOK SOMETHING FOR DINNER! :sneaky2:

[randyt]

love dat fried bologna

[woodsman86]

Well, you could always COOK SOMETHING FOR DINNER! :sneaky2:

Technically frying is cooking...

[Ken]

Nope, even better.....ice cold BEER!

Pfffft! I had the beer while the soup was simmering. What do you think I use to make the broth? Water?????

[woodsman86]

Pfffft! I had the beer while the soup was simmering. What do you think I use to make the broth? Water?????

Water, what is that? I only know of Coffee, Beer, and Red Bull

[Ken]

Technically frying is cooking...

He wished heartburn on us and YOU are defending him?

[welderguy]

Technically frying is cooking...

Beat me too it!!!

[randyt]

Technically frying is cooking...

careful now, Ken has experience with technicalities.

[woodsman86]

He wished heartburn on us and YOU are defending him?

Ok, so maybe I had to much desert

[Ken]

careful now, Ken has experience with technicalities.

Thank you. Did anyone hear Welder say that he fried the bologna himself?

[Ken]

Ok, so maybe I had to much desert

You never mentioned desert. Wudyouhav?

[woodsman86]

You never mentioned desert. Wudyouhav?

Local microbrew, about as fancy as we get with a county population of about 3,000

[BENESSE]

I had a friggin fried bologna sandwich, hope you two get heart burn !!!!!!!!!!!!

Would you settle for bypass? :sneaky2:

[LowKey]

I had the last of the embalmed christmas cake for desert. Mmmm. Made it last Thanksgiving. Bourbon soaked cherries and raisins in an egg-white and bourbon cake batter. With pecans. Cooked then wrapped in cheesecloth soaked in bourbon (the embalming procedure). Wrapped in plastic wrap then tin foil and stored in the bottom drawer of the fridge. Tasteee!

And I'll punch any one of youse guyz that calls it fruitcake. Is NOT fruitcake. No citron. More bourbon. Not sure where mom got the recipe but man is it good stuff. Glad I learned to make it while she was still around.

[welderguy]

Would you settle for bypass? :sneaky2:

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :lol:

[woodsman86]

I had the last of the embalmed christmas cake for desert. Mmmm. Made it last Thanksgiving. Bourbon soaked cherries and raisins in an egg-white and bourbon cake batter. With pecans. Cooked then wrapped in cheesecloth soaked in bourbon (the embalming procedure). Wrapped in plastic wrap then tin foil and stored in the bottom drawer of the fridge. Tasteee!

And I'll punch any one of youse guyz that calls it fruitcake. Is NOT fruitcake. No citron. More bourbon. Not sure where mom got the recipe but man is it good stuff. Glad I learned to make it while she was still around.

Well technically.... I like fruit cake ;)

[Ken]

Here's one for ya'. I bought a fruitcake in December, 1999. I still have it - unopened. It doesn't appear to have changed a bit.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/7855_10200922229557086_129119952_n.jpg

[welderguy]

Here's one for ya'. I bought a fruitcake in December, 1999. I still have it - unopened. It doesn't appear to have changed a bit.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/7855_10200922229557086_129119952_n.jpg

and it may even taste better now than when first bought

[Winnie]

I had the last of the embalmed christmas cake for desert. Mmmm. Made it last Thanksgiving. Bourbon soaked cherries and raisins in an egg-white and bourbon cake batter. With pecans. Cooked then wrapped in cheesecloth soaked in bourbon (the embalming procedure). Wrapped in plastic wrap then tin foil and stored in the bottom drawer of the fridge. Tasteee!

And I'll punch any one of youse guyz that calls it fruitcake. Is NOT fruitcake. No citron. More bourbon. Not sure where mom got the recipe but man is it good stuff. Glad I learned to make it while she was still around.

Sounds suspiciously like my mum's Christmas cake recipe (although she used Brandy). A designated driver was required if you were stupid enough to have a slice and expect to pass a breathalyser test.

[redneckidokie]

This isn't about political correctness. This isn't about hurting somebodies feelings. This is about rules that were set down from the outset regarding no political and no religious discussions. This forum's draw was its wilderness survival theme. This is not a survivalist forum. Lord knows there are plenty of those out there and quite frankly they don't interest me (and I suspect a lot of others as well).

Ok, help my bewildered late nite brain here. How is a survivalist forum, and a survival forum, different? Is'nt the final goal the same?
Aside from out right bushcraft forums, where the entire conversation centers around sitting in the mud naked rubbing two sticks together, and hoping for a happy outcome.:)

[woodsman86]

Ok, help my bewildered late nite brain here. How is a survivalist forum, and a survival forum, different? Is'nt the final goal the same?
Aside from out right bushcraft forums, where the entire conversation centers around sitting in the mud naked rubbing two sticks together, and hoping for a happy outcome.:)

Without splitting hairs I believe there is a clear difference. This forum is based around going into the wilderness and surviving. That is whether it is the end of the world, your truck ran into a ditch in the mountains, or just to live. Survivalist forums tend to be about the impending collapse of society "doom" and the aftermath "gloom" that will ensue. Here, that is only one situation that not everyone is dedicated to preparing for.

[Rick]

This is not a survivalist forum. It's a forum about how to survive in the wilderness when the chips are down. It's about tips and tricks to employ to make your hike, camp, trail blazing, etc. more enjoyable. It is not about bunkers, the wrong politics, setting up kill zones or boobytraps. It's about how to enjoy the outdoors.

[crashdive123]

Ok, help my bewildered late nite brain here. How is a survivalist forum, and a survival forum, different? Is'nt the final goal the same?
Aside from out right bushcraft forums, where the entire conversation centers around sitting in the mud naked rubbing two sticks together, and hoping for a happy outcome.:)


Without splitting hairs I believe there is a clear difference. This forum is based around going into the wilderness and surviving. That is whether it is the end of the world, your truck ran into a ditch in the mountains, or just to live. Survivalist forums tend to be about the impending collapse of society "doom" and the aftermath "gloom" that will ensue. Here, that is only one situation that not everyone is dedicated to preparing for.


This is not a survivalist forum. It's a forum about how to survive in the wilderness when the chips are down. It's about tips and tricks to employ to make your hike, camp, trail blazing, etc. more enjoyable. It is not about bunkers, the wrong politics, setting up kill zones or boobytraps. It's about how to enjoy the outdoors.

What they said.

[Rick]

What he said they said.

[Ken]

It is not about bunkers, the wrong politics, setting up kill zones.....

I established a VERY EFFECTIVE kill zone to completely eradicate a serious breakfast at a local restaurant this morning. Does that count?

[Rick]

WMD are really outside the bounds of the forum. I think your main concern will be survivors that can point the finger at you ... assuming there were any survivors.

[Ken]

Only a few English muffin and pancake crumbs and a small smear of egg yolk. :blushing:

[Rick]

Yeah, they do that to me too. But then, so does water.

[Ken]

They frown when patrons lick the plates. Can you believe that? :sneaky2:

[redneckidokie]

This is not a survivalist forum. It's a forum about how to survive in the wilderness when the chips are down. It's about tips and tricks to employ to make your hike, camp, trail blazing, etc. more enjoyable. It is not about bunkers, the wrong politics, setting up kill zones or boobytraps. It's about how to enjoy the outdoors.

Ok. Seems like if one was prepared to survive the worst the other would be easy.
But no matter..WTHeck,
BACON !!!!!...LOL

[1stimestar]

Mmmm bacon.

[Rick]

'Zactly. Nurishment from the gods.

[2dumb2kwit]

Sheez.....y'all can't even keep a doom and gloom thread on topic.

I'm going to fix me some bacon.

[Nighthawk01]

Bit too heavy for me. I agree with redneck. Common sense should prevail.

[thefemalesurvivalist]

This is not a survivalist forum. It's a forum about how to survive in the wilderness when the chips are down. It's about tips and tricks to employ to make your hike, camp, trail blazing, etc. more enjoyable. It is not about bunkers, the wrong politics, setting up kill zones or boobytraps. It's about how to enjoy the outdoors.

Good summary, Rick, and this is exactly why I'm here! Thanks

[Rick]

I try, kid. I try.

[Wildthang]

Doom and gloom, government outrage, loss of freedoms, militarizing the nations police forces, politicians not following their oath.... Seems as though there have been a few that are very interested in these topics.

Unfortunately, there have been many that have left the forum because of those types of topics.

It should be called the Tin Foil Hat section!

[LordOfTheRings]

The love of fresh air is the reason some folks don't have doors on their outhouses.

[hunter63]

The love of fresh air is the reason some folks don't have doors on their outhouses.

.........or be able to see the bears coming............

[kyratshooter]

Or Blue Duck might be out there!

[crashdive123]

Or pancakes in the spring.

[Tokwan]

Or the postman can just throw the letters in.