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pilot1962
08-29-2013, 11:50 AM
9399My property is 0.5 miles from a lake shore... Shell Lake, AK.
Just wandering if anyone build a primitive cart or a wagon to haul loads in remote location?
Those 20" fat wheels for lawnmower tractors looks very attractive.
Not excited about using gas, one man power is all I want to use.
Will clear trail/portage myself and will camp on a beach for some time.
Thank you

Ken
08-29-2013, 12:08 PM
Maybe something like a game cart?

http://gametote.com/images/cart-reviews/thediyhunter-single-wheel-elk-deer-cart.jpg (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=one+wheel+cart&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=8HPlz8GtRqSTtM&tbnid=FwDEIQ61i7FXJM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgametote.com%2Fone-wheel-game-cart-review.html&ei=lHEfUta9Dcnl4AOEw4CYCQ&psig=AFQjCNFlChAkoF3OWrz1wwYubKaHs_fjmw&ust=1377878776085726)

http://gametote.com/one-wheel-game-cart-review.html

Rick
08-29-2013, 12:13 PM
I had a 400lb capacity wagon with wide tires once. I loaded it up then couldn't budge it. I don't have a wagon anymore. Soft ground was its death knell.

pilot1962
08-29-2013, 01:17 PM
Good point Rick...
I was actually planing to haul not more than 100Lb, like water and firewood.
Two wheels design would be more stable IMO, but Kens advice is appreciated - trail is not a road indeed.

hunter63
08-29-2013, 01:41 PM
Wheelbarrow, or game cart.......have used both, wheelbarrow seems to be the best for moving a lot of gear in most any terrain unless you are in a hilly area.

Oddmott
08-29-2013, 02:07 PM
I'm in the middle of building something like this...

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/edthebouncer/Mk3%20Cart/mk3cart_16.jpg

With a couple significant changes.

1 - Bigger, deeper bed for more secure hauling
2 - Four 26" tubeless mountain bike tires (set like dualies), for added strength, flotation and traction
3 - Disk brakes to make resting on hills safer

I tried one with fat tires off an old lawn tractor and it was brutal to push. Small obstacles like rocks and roots were constantly blocking it, and the huge surface area caused too much friction and fatigue.

The tall, skinny bike tires go over and thru just about anything, no problem.

Rick
08-29-2013, 02:14 PM
The Swiss Ammo Cart is of very similar design. Of course it's designed to be pulled by horses. The underside has storage for pick and shovel.

http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/medium/front14.jpg (http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/medium/front14.jpg)



http://www.milweb.net/webverts/52803/b.jpg (http://www.milweb.net/webverts/52803/b.jpg)

hunter63
08-29-2013, 02:19 PM
How about a travois?
http://www.google.com/#q=native+american+travois+pictures

Oddmott
08-29-2013, 02:19 PM
Neato!

I never really thought about storing anything underneath. So many possibilities though. I was designing the tongue to be a multi-use tool/weapon though.

Rick
08-29-2013, 02:23 PM
On the underside picture if you notice they have a very simple wheel chock design. There is a handle in the rear that cranks and locks a bar against the tires.

randyt
08-29-2013, 08:02 PM
The cree and such would portage 300 to 400 pounds on their backs. Just get centered under the load and don't lean back. A tumpline helps. A half mile is not to bad.

Highhawk1948
08-30-2013, 07:57 PM
A travois.......

Rick
08-30-2013, 08:00 PM
Pssst. Highhawk....Post 8. No fair cheating.

edr730
08-31-2013, 08:36 AM
I've used a travois on occasions and they do work ok. I've also used an aluminum ladder and put a pipe though the bottom rung and shoved an axel with steel wheels though it. It loads up pretty good with all the rungs to tie things off. Best if attached to a backpack to distribute the weight on your shoulders and waist. Taller wheels always work better on any cart. The cart Ken shows works good when you have two people because you can lift it slightly when you are off trail and going over logs.