Most Dangerous Crime Ridden Cities

[tunick001]

Hey, this is a spinoff from my previous post about the states. Here are the top 25 most dangerous cities in the US.

1. St Louis, MO
2. Detroit, MI
3. Orlando, FL
4. Atlanta, GA
5. Memphis, TN
6. Little Rock, AR
7. Flint, MI
8. Miami Gardens, FL
9. Springfield, MA
10. Baltimore, MD
11. Tampa, FL
12. Miami, FL
13. St. Petersburg, FL
14. Kansas City, MO
15. Nashville, TN
16. Birmingham, AL
17. Chattanooga, TN
18. Stockton, CA
19. Dallas, TX
20. Oakland, CA
21. Springfield, IL
22. Hartford, CT
23. New Haven, CT
24. Washington DC
25. Cleveland, OH

[BraggSurvivor]

Why makes Florida so bad?

[nell67]

Illegal aliens and drug trafficking from the ports,for starters.

[BraggSurvivor]

Ahh, CSI Miami......forgot. Thanks nell.

[nell67]

Now you got it!!!!

[crashdive123]

....and unfortunately many criminals see tourists as an easy prey.

[GVan]

Why makes Florida so bad?

All the heat, and all those strange foreingers.

(Foreigners = Anyone not from Florida);)

[beerrunner13]

Crimenals head south when they get here ther is nowhere left to go Right now I am real close to Orlando and it is so bad a cop got shot in his car at an ATM a few months ago, they found him with his gun in hos lap. Shootings around her every day. An the Illeagle alien population seems to double every week.

[rrsnook]

I don't believe it's the illegal aliens, cal. has 4 times the population of illegals as florida. It's the legal aliens I'm talking about the "wet foot dry foot policy the U.S. has with Cuba. all cubans have to do is step on U.S. soil and they are granted legal residence.
Also, and I do know this 1st hand they are granted help from the U.S. in the amount of 400.00 per month welfare,food stamps and medicare yes free heath insurance. Also the U.S. will not deport them no matter what crime they commit.

[rrsnook]

By the way my parents came over from Cuba legally in 1958.

[crashdive123]

One of the problems that we're experiencing is an influx of gangs into the state. As Nell said, drug trafficking has alot to do with it. Just watched a special on MS 13. They're even getting into some of the rural areas.

[BraggSurvivor]

Isnt the MS 13 restricted to just Mexicans?

[crashdive123]

Isnt the MS 13 restricted to just Mexicans?

Actually MS 13 is a Central American gang (Salvadoran). It is in just about every state in the US. I don't know what the requirements are or if it is just limited to Salvadorans. The Mexican Mafia (Sur 13) is just as bad, and just as prolific.

[catfish10101]

I am surprised that New Orleans, Louisiana is not on that list. Geesh, I avoid New Orleans at all costs, guess I should print that list to make sure I never go to or through any of those places for any reason. Guess that's why I don't travel much. God, I love this little cajun town I live in!!

[canid]

i have a policy against entering la county for any reason. and for multiple reasons.

[beerrunner13]

i have a policy against entering la county for any reason. and for multiple reasons.

I don't blame you my wife got free tickets to Wrestelemania on the floor for tommow night and I won't be going I will not go to Orlando with out 3 guns and that dosen't seem to help. Ther gangs are not to big there but the drugs are and I don't think I will get into the reasons I know for the high crime. And yes the illeagle here are a VERY big part of the crime problem in this town, it is mostly Mexicans to be exact I lived in So Fl a long time and yes the cubans were an issue but not in this part of the state I will not get political, but I see it first hand every day and have had to deal with it, my wife can not even go to the Walgreens alon on the end of our street. I broke up an attemted rape in back of my house a few months ago and the police didn't even want to be bothered talking to me other asking me about my gun. Gotta stop now getting carried away.....

[Excalibur]

I have a question...How much of the USA is still controled by the US

[tunick001]

i have a policy against entering la county for any reason. and for multiple reasons.


last january i was in LA for a job. i was there working for about a month. all you see while driving around is gang tagging on every wall around. and i was in a pretty good area, the san fernando valley. and the worst part of la, south central and compton all it is, is latinos and blacks. its like 900,000 people and has a homcide rate just like washington dc or detroit. all you hear on the news is killings happening. when i was there a 20 year old guy shot his whole family, killed a SWAT officer, then shot himself. see - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTPMHaGVr5M. then theres all the gang related shootings you hear about on the news. and one time i was working by this tobacco shop that was burglarzied, professional style. all the telephone and alarm lines cut, done in the middle on the night. everybody seems on edge. people honking at each other, road rage.

[beerrunner13]

Come on guys they just come here looking for a better life and are hard working decent people, embrace the multiculturism, can't we all just get along;)

[crashdive123]

:eek::eek:ROTFLMAO:D:D

[trax]

Why makes Florida so bad?

Helloooo??? DisneyWorld!! :eek: :eek:

[beerrunner13]

Helloooo??? DisneyWorld!! :eek: :eek:

Really how can you call yourself the happiest place on Eatrh and not sell alcohol? That there is just wrong. There are three kinds of people there tourists, employees and robbers

[Rick]

I don't guess there's too many cities I haven't been in or was too concerned about being in. There's certainly places in each of them I wouldn't go but overall, most places are all the same. Big city, little town. Doesn't matter much. I know some bars in some little burgs that I wouldn't care to walk into without a pitbull and a bazooka or at least be a local. Outsiders wouldn't last very long. They'd only tell you to leave once. Then you had better grow wings.

As for the drug culture that's just everywhere. Sometimes I think small town America has more meth labs that the cities.

[Alpine_Sapper]

As for the drug culture that's just everywhere. Sometimes I think small town America has more meth labs that the cities.

Rural america has the most, or at least the most productive. Easier to hide the smell of that crap cooking when there isn't anyone around for miles.

[Rick]

I remember walking into a bar in the middle of New York state. Literally a one stop light town. Harley parked at the end of the bar. We had just left the office and walked in for a quick drink. We had on suits and they didn't. I think the only thing we said was, "No problem. Have a good day." We didn't wait for the second invite to leave.

[Rick]

I also hosted an international group that landed in Chicago. Some from the Far East, some from South America. We had two guys from Malaysia. One spoke really good English but the second one spoke none. The second guy was always looking over his shoulder and finally, on the second day, I asked the first guy why his buddy was so jumpy. They yammered a bit and the first guy said, "He wants to know where the police are." I said they're around do you need one? In the best English you have ever heard, the second guys says, "Al Capone. Shoot 'em up. Bang bang."

I felt bad laughing but I couldn't help it. It was pretty funny. He was scared to death he was going to be killed by wise guys.

[trax]

Really how can you call yourself the happiest place on Eatrh and not sell alcohol? That there is just wrong. There are three kinds of people there tourists, employees and robbers

and aren't an awful lot of the employees wearing giant cartoon character masks? How do you tell them from the robbers? Who wants to take the blame for shooting Goofy? even if it is self-defence...Donald Duck sure, but Goofy? come on people.

I was thinking of the massive swell of humanity staggering around with nausea and headaches from the hundred degree heat and the combined sugar/adrenaline rush. That's too scary for this ol' bushrat.

[Alpine_Sapper]

and aren't an awful lot of the employees wearing giant cartoon character masks? How do you tell them from the robbers? Who wants to take the blame for shooting Goofy? even if it is self-defence...Donald Duck sure, but Goofy? come on people.

I was thinking of the massive swell of humanity staggering around with nausea and headaches from the hundred degree heat and the combined sugar/adrenaline rush. That's too scary for this ol' bushrat.

Hey, come on, it's the most realistic TSHTF scenario you can come across, if you want to simulate a zombie attack.

[nell67]

I don't blame you my wife got free tickets to Wrestelemania on the floor for tommow night and I won't be going I will not go to Orlando with out 3 guns and that dosen't seem to help. Ther gangs are not to big there but the drugs are and I don't think I will get into the reasons I know for the high crime. And yes the illeagle here are a VERY big part of the crime problem in this town, it is mostly Mexicans to be exact I lived in So Fl a long time and yes the cubans were an issue but not in this part of the state I will not get political, but I see it first hand every day and have had to deal with it, my wife can not even go to the Walgreens alon on the end of our street. I broke up an attemted rape in back of my house a few months ago and the police didn't even want to be bothered talking to me other asking me about my gun. Gotta stop now getting carried away.....

beerrunner,Probably a good thing you didn't go ! Yikes!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/ap_on_re_us/wrestlemania_crowd_injured

[beerrunner13]

beerrunner,Probably a good thing you didn't go ! Yikes!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/ap_on_re_us/wrestlemania_crowd_injured

That was the first thing my wife told me about when she got home it was all over the news here too. To mant people for me and no way was I going to that Hellhole. I did send here with a good bodygard though who was thrilled with the free tickets. The up side is she yelled so much she staill can't talk :D

[nell67]

Dang,I'm glad she's ok,I didn't think you let her go:eek:,and SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!LMAO!!!:D

[Beowulf65]

MS-13 is not restricted to just hispanics, they have members from all races. Meth is most produced in suburbia and country areas, the stench alone his horrible. I have been on numerous meth lab sites here in Cincy and they are bad juju to walk into and serving warrants on the makers is extremely hazardous. Nearly all the chemicals used in the production of meth are caustic, corrosive, or flammable. Severe injuries due to chemical exposure are not uncommon for meth cooks, and many die each year (big loss there), injuries range from burns, blisters, boils, to scabbing that leaks a yellowish puss. There are over 150 processes for making meth. A real shame that is what our country has come to and getting worse.

[catfish10101]

MS-13 is not restricted to just hispanics, they have members from all races. Meth is most produced in suburbia and country areas, the stench alone his horrible. I have been on numerous meth lab sites here in Cincy and they are bad juju to walk into and serving warrants on the makers is extremely hazardous. Nearly all the chemicals used in the production of meth are caustic, corrosive, or flammable. Severe injuries due to chemical exposure are not uncommon for meth cooks, and many die each year (big loss there), injuries range from burns, blisters, boils, to scabbing that leaks a yellowish puss. There are over 150 processes for making meth. A real shame that is what our country has come to and getting worse.

Yea, and because of it, the gubbermint takes my name and dl# everytime I buy cold medicine to keep track of what I buy BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE A COLD!!!!!:mad:

[ryaninmichigan]

I grew up hanging in #2 and #7. I can tell you #7 is worse then #2

[Tahyo]

I grew up hanging in #2 and #7. I can tell you #7 is worse then #2

I was stuck in #7 back around 1981 for 2 months and I can tell you that it was miserable. Everywhere you went it was nothing but "shop talk". I have been in some real sh!tholes, but that one ranks up around the top.

[beerrunner13]

Dang,I'm glad she's ok,I didn't think you let her go:eek:,and SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!LMAO!!!:D

Come on Nell like I can tell my wife where she can go. I sent her with our nephew former Marine and Fl prison Gaurd and wresteling nut. Like I say if anyone here has figured out how to tell a woman what to do , you are a better man them I.

[Rick]

Beerrunner - I do it all the time....but she's never around to hear me.:p

[trax]

Like I say if anyone here has figured out how to tell a woman what to do , you are a better man them I.


Well, telling them's one thing, but I've found other options that work a lot better, asking...(pleading), or asking (begging) or asking (bribery with flowers, diamonds, chocolate,...real estate)

[nell67]

Come on Nell like I can tell my wife where she can go. I sent her with our nephew former Marine and Fl prison Gaurd and wresteling nut. Like I say if anyone here has figured out how to tell a woman what to do , you are a better man them I.

Funny beerrunner,I know a man who is very GOOD at telling me where to go,do I listen.....LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Ask me tomorrow:D (that is a 2 way street!!!!!!!)

[beerrunner13]

She puts up with me and let's me do pretty much what I want to, She was well escourted and the tickets were over$500 which her boss paid for. I would have rather had the cash but WTH and anyway MY bday is in 2 weeks and there is still the lever action shotgun FVR posted that I want.. But seriously I would never tell her what to do I make my thoughyts known and let her make her own decisions.

[RunsWithDeer]

I grew up hanging in #2 and #7. I can tell you #7 is worse then #2
Ryan, I agree. Flint is much worse. I go to Detroilet and Flint both for work, and have had my truck broken into twice in Flint, had a friend mugged and see hookers and drug dealers all over. Detroit is not much better though, and is higher on the list I think because it is a much bigger city. And, it's only getting worse with the rising unemployment.

[ryaninmichigan]

Ryan, I agree. Flint is much worse. I go to Detroilet and Flint both for work, and have had my truck broken into twice in Flint, had a friend mugged and see hookers and drug dealers all over. Detroit is not much better though, and is higher on the list I think because it is a much bigger city. And, it's only getting worse with the rising unemployment.

At least in Detroit there are places to go to that are safe. About the only place in Flint I let my wife go with out me is Farmers market. They don't tolerate anything there. Like I said I grew up hanging in Flint and has seen the worse it has to offer. I had a buddy get his firebrid stolen. WE caught a crack head trying to steal my truck one night after coming out of a bar. Bums everywhere. You have to go to Dort Hwy to see the hookers. I have punched more people in that town I think then any other.

[SARKY]

If our govt. had any BALLS (please excuse me ladies but I do get passionate about some topics) They would first make terrorism an instant (as in right now, not 40 years on death row) death penalty. Second any members of known violent gangs would be considered terrorists. Now it isn't very hard to determine who is an MS-13 member as they tatoo themselves all over like a brand name.
I am surprised that California didn't have a lot more cities in the top 25

[sthomas]

I am surprised that New Orleans, Louisiana is not on that list. Geesh, I avoid New Orleans at all costs, guess I should print that list to make sure I never go to or through any of those places for any reason. Guess that's why I don't travel much. God, I love this little cajun town I live in!!
Actually New Orleans (where I was born and grew up south-east of there in LA) has had the #1 murder rate during various years over the past 25 years (since crack cocaine came into the scene).

That original list posted must not have been per capita. For example if you have a small town in TN for example with a population of 12, if 3 people get killed in a year they "win" by a large margin. I passed through a town like that once (similar population, not any murder rate to speak of), going whitewater rafting on the Nolichucky.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE4AN7LF20081124
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - New Orleans had the highest crime rate of any U.S. city last year, with 209 murders and more than 19,000 reported criminal incidents, CQ Press reported on Monday in an annual ranking.

Other high-crime cities, in declining order, were Camden, New Jersey; Detroit, Michigan; St. Louis, Missouri; and Oakland, California.

New Orleans, where population declined dramatically after 2005's Hurricane Katrina, showed a jump in the murder rate, which rose from 162 in 2006 to 209 in 2007, the report found.

I remember one very murderous year where New Orleans and Washington DC were duking it out for the most murderous city "per capita". There was at least one murder every single day, and about a month's worth of days were there were a couple of them daily.

Of course I spent a lot of late nights into the dawn hours partying there, and not once did I get robbed/shot/etc. It's all about urban survival, knowing how to avoid danger, being aware of your environment, and finally some luck.

There are definitely more dangerous places to be in the world. As far as the USA goes there are easily a dozen cities where you better be damn careful or you will become a statistic.

P.S. I love your little Cajun town too. (heh)

[Pict]

Those stats don't tell you much. It's really just a map of the drug trade in the US.

With stats on gun deaths if you remove drug related incidents, suicide, self defense shootings, and police shootings the numbers get so low that they fall off the paper. So if your are not: involved with drugs, suicidal, in trouble with the police, or planning to assault someone your statistical danger is very low. Correspondingly, if you are: involved in the drug trade, suicidal, wanted, or planning an assault your chance of getting shot is FAR above the national average. So behave yourself and nobody will get hurt. Mac

ETA - The MAJOR flaw in the FBI uniform crime report is that it treats all people as if they are uniform and they are not. If they broke down the numbers showing people with a felony record and those who live with them as opposed to people who do not have a felony record and those that live with them suddenly you would see a HUGE difference in the violence stats. If broken down geographically areas with high drug traffic are far more dangerous than other places in the same city with low or no drug traffic. All people are equal under the law, yes, but we are not equal in terms of behavior and crime/violence is a behavioral problem.

According to the stats from Florida, people with a CCW are 840 times less likely to commit a violent crime than those who do not have a permit. I wonder what the numbers would be between CCW holders and people with a felony record?

My point? If you live in Mayberry with a convicted violent felon drug user you haven't fixed your problem.

[Stairman]

Im surprised Jax,Fla isnt on the list.You mean all those cities are worse?Every morning on the news someone else got whacked during the night.Are problem here is hands down black on black,which may not be such a bad thing till innocent bistanders get hurt.Drive bys on the northwest side of town.Its funny,there are city blacks and country blacks.The many small outlying towns have alot of blacks but very rarely any shootings.They have their drugs,prostitution and thefts but violent crimes in the outlying towns are rare.Glad I live in one.You can have the big cities,all of em...

[red lake]

Toronto has one of the most ehtnically diverse cultures anywhere in the worldm but with around 3 million people they still only have about 60 to 70 murders a year.

Gangs were for sure the biggest part of that but gangs are a sign of economic problems and not ethnic diversity.

To blame race for crime rate is just noy yrue and there is no basis of fact in saying that.

[Pict]

I lived for five years on a street that had one killing a week and about ten violent crimes per day. There were five police officers killed in the neighborhood in separate incidents during that time.

There were so many killings among the drug gangs in the neighborhood that it became routine to hear about it. It was almost like adjusting to the weather, the neighborhood is hot right now so don't go out after dark. Things cool off again and life gets back to normal.

In that five years two murders stood out and caused a public uproar. A woman was stabbed to death (38x) in her home and another was beaten to death in front of his house in a robbery. These actually had people out into the streets. Ironically even the criminals got angry about this as it brought the hammer down on them. The attitude down there was that if drug people want to kill drug people fine, have at it, just keep it amongst yourselves. When innocent people started getting attacked in their homes or killed in robberies nobody put up with it, not the people, nor the police, nor the criminals.

Even the most violent societies have their own moral code and will impose the death penalty on those who break it. Brazil claims to have no death penalty, that is a load of crap. People get executed for crimes committed there all the time.

From my observations there race has absolutely nothing to do with it, economic class division is the factor to watch. Mac

[Stairman]

I dont blame race for the statistics,thats just the facts.

[sthomas]

Obviously if you put yourself into any environment where danger is inherent, your chances for self injury or death are going to be higher. In 1996 there were 98 people who made the summit of Everest. That same year 15 people died trying. In contrast the number of people who hiked around trails near my house that same year were surely higher than 98, and no one died.

I was in Fort Worth TX many years ago when two guys lured me over to their car to "ask for directions". At some point one of them pulled a .357 magnum out from under the seat, obviously to rob me. As soon as I saw that shiny beast coming out I bolted, zig-zagging as I ran. Maybe they needed drug money, maybe not. Plenty innocent people got killed in robberies in New Orleans. Whether the armed robbers needed money for drugs or for other reasons isn't a stat I can cite. The reality is that many U.S. cities, towns, and suburbs have drug issues. And violent behavior is not a racial issue and often enough is independent of economic class. You can find violent offenders in any walk of life, and crimes of passion happen all the time.

Regardless, the topic here is the most crime-ridden cities, and crime stats per capita obviously infer some quantified and qualified level of risk in being in those places. If you go to Columbia, your chances of being murdered are about 1 in 1,000 according to recorded data. They win as the most murderous country per capita.

However what we don't know is how much doesn't make the stats in some places. My wife's uncle was stabbed to death in Honduras and had his dead body thrown on train tracks about 25 years ago. Why? He was a union organizer in the Chiquita banana trade and reportedly someone within Chiquita wanted him dead. While that death probably made some stats, there are jungle communities there were people are killed with machetes for simple trespassing or stealing food from a farm. A nephew of my wife was killed as trivially. Reportedly he and some other young man had some sort of altercation. Later that evening the other guy came to the mud house he lived in with family and hacked him across the neck with a machete. There aren't birth records in some of those places, much less accurate death stats.

When you're buying bananas, most people wouldn't think that large companies could be so ruthless as to be involved in murder. In the case of Chiquita, it seems to happen often enough.
http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/chiquita/chiquita19.htm
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/47/227.html
I know there are other industries (besides the obvious drug trade, like diamonds, etc.) where murder is part of doing business.

Sorry for the slight digression into murderous companies.

[Beans]

I am shocked that Las Vegas isn't on that list. I lived there for 30 years and wouldn't go anywhere with being armed.

[palm stalker]

i lived and went to hs in north tampa,in the mid 60s..crime wasnt that rampent then..it started with heavy drugs.. herion crack meth..we need to take america back..when i hear press 1 for english, my blood boils..i wont all the snowbirds and illeagles out of fla..sorry i rant!!!!!!!

[RBB]

Rural america has the most, or at least the most productive. Easier to hide the smell of that crap cooking when there isn't anyone around for miles.

One of our local police officers formerly copped in NYC. He says he never saw any meth use there. Epidemic here.

[RunsWithDeer]

One of our local police officers formerly copped in NYC. He says he never saw any meth use there. Epidemic here.
My guess is NYC has just as bad if not worse drug problem the drug of choice was just not meth. More than likely the druggies used crack in NYC.

[oly]

One of the problems that we're experiencing is an influx of gangs into the state. As Nell said, drug trafficking has alot to do with it. Just watched a special on MS 13. They're even getting into some of the rural areas.

I went to a restaurant and an employee had all kinds of tattoos and MS 13 on him.
I looked at the Manager and said MS 13???? IF YOU WONT TO SUPPORT THESE GANG BANGERS, I DONT NEED TO SUPPORT YOU! and I left and had never gone back.

[ryaninmichigan]

One of our local police officers formerly copped in NYC. He says he never saw any meth use there. Epidemic here.

It is a drug prefered by rural people.

[sthomas]

It is a drug prefered by rural people.

I'm on it right now. (wink, heh)

BTW those two guys that tried to rob me using a .357 in Fort Worth TX (mentioned above) were "white". I wanted to mention that (but forgot to), noting the introduction of race in association with crime in a couple of the posts. While that one incident means little in the larger scheme of things, I still wanted to note it for reference.

[woodlander1314]

I think Milwaukee, WI should be on that list...

[Ole WV Coot]

Well you have hit every city East of the Mississippi that I have worked in. I seldom had any problems, was in alleys most of the time and 15yrs nights. Drugs of choice back then were grass, coke & H. I did watch very carefully, usually worked with someone and a manhole hook makes a darn good weapon. Fiberglass layup stick worked well also plus I was younger and uglier then, not handsome like now.

[jrock24]

So surprised not to see los angeles on that list.

[trax]

Wow, I re-read this thread, and...my particular smartazzing aside....I've reached the conclusion that kind of mirrors what Rick said. This is just the top 25 list, but basically if there's people there it's dangerous. Why am I not surprised?

[Badawg]

This morning on my train ride in I noticed these three "thugs" get on and sit near me. All the red lights in my head went off and I tensed up a bit... High alert! After a few minutes went by and the one facing me adjusted his "package" and that when I notice what could only be an M1911 poking out of his waist band under his obligatory black hoodie. Guess the butt plate was digging in a little. I moved to the other end of the train car as I hate to be caught in the cross-fire...