COMPLETE Survival Question!!?? Read description. Location, Food, Seclusion, ect.

[btddanger]

---PLEASE POST SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR ME--- Thanks

Hi, I have an abundant knowledge of survival skills and needed information but I just have a few questions about where I can go that'll satisfy my wants.

BACKGROUND: I'm looking for a place where I can live in the natural environment and only rely off the land for food and shelter without breaking any laws. I don't mind where in the world it is, just somewhere I can escape society for just a few months or possibly a year. I am only 18 years old and I am going to come back to the city life after some time to go apply for college and live a regular life. I'm not any kind of dumb/under-achiever kind of person, I have just had a stress full life and wish to experience the hard and dangeous struggles of the wilderness life style and find peace within myself.
Yes, I realize many people say it's boring, dangerous, and really hard to do. But I'm willing to do it.

Here's a few questions I hope many of you could answer for me:
-Where in the world can I live in the wild and possibly hunt animals for food without being a poacher?
-Is there enough resources to build shelter?
-Will I be far enough away from civilization that people won't ever come near the area?
-Is there a large number of animals in the area that can be possible food if necessary
-Where can I get a hunting rifle at a roung age without a permit
-Is there plenty of water near by
-Possibly an area with plenty of trees for resources/Animal inhabitation
-What animal populates the area the most that I am legally allowed to hunt and eat

*I will choose to save money by hitch-hiking to this area also for an adventure, whether be boat or by car*
-so what route/system is best to get there?

(also, please don't post and contridict my decision) Please, aknowledge my plan and only post informative comments that can help me out.

I was just throwing ideas to get the best possible answers. But I don't mind if there's a few people that live in the area as well, mainly if there is enough natural resources for food and things I can live off of. You see, I've even heard of Twin Lakes which looks beautiful and I would go there but I am sure there's probably regulations. Even living in a place like the rainforest would be acceptable.. just not my main choice due to jaguars, boas, and other deadly predators.. though I am willing to fend for my life/ and also collect their hide for a trophy, I don't wish to die haha.
Any ideas of a place yet?? Cuz I obviously know there's many places, but if you've ever lived in the wilderness, you probably could agree with me that it's a good idea to get other's opinions.
Just as long as I'm able to hunt and eat legally then I'm fine. And as for hitch-hiking, I simply meant that I may hitch a few rides (while taking and license plate numbers along with other safety precautions) but I will have a few thousand hidden on me for emergency.
Mainly my reasons for wanting to experience this is for:
-adventure
-knowledge
-self reliance
-test my survival skills
-to learn to appreciate and love life
-to earn the food and shelter I eat
I am also able to stay calm in stressful situations as my dad was raised with nothing and had to live on the streets but is now making a living to be able to easily support himself and I. We have the easy life. I decided to respond to you since you're a Senior Member and a Moderator.
Please, all I ask is for some "Good Example Locations". Besides, I wasn't just going to base off of other's opinions... I was merely going to take them to consideration, while also researching more about the area's environment, weather, animals, dangers, and local resources.
So can you please list just a few Locations that is capable of living in and I'll further research it?
-also, it'll help me greatly if you're able to list that area's regulations if you know them in case I can't it online- Thanks!

THANK YOU ALL! And I'll try my best to reply when I can

[crashdive123]

Wait a minute. You want to be far enough away from civilization so that people will never come to the area, but you plan on hitchhiking there? You may need to think that part over some more. Good luck with that.

[hunter63]

Sorry, Bud, but you were born about 200 years too late.
There isn't anywhere I know of in the USA that would fit your requirements.

So....Good luck with that.

[btddanger]

I was just throwing ideas to get the best possible answers. But I don't mind if there's a few people that live in the area as well, mainly if there is enough natural resources for food and things I can live off of. You see, I've even heard of Twin Lakes which looks beautiful and I would go there but I am sure there's probably regulations. Even living in a place like the rainforest would be acceptable.. just not my main choice due to jaguars, boas, and other deadly predators.. though I am willing to fend for my life/ and also collect their hide for a trophy, I don't wish to die haha.
Any ideas of a place yet?? Cuz I obviously know there's many places, but if you've ever lived in the wilderness, you probably could agree with me that it's a good idea to get other's opinions.
Just as long as I'm able to hunt and eat legally then I'm fine. And as for hitch-hiking, I simply meant that I may hitch a few rides (while taking and license plate numbers along with other safety precautions) but I will have a few thousand hidden on me for emergency.
Mainly my reasons for wanting to experience this is for:
-adventure
-knowledge
-self reliance
-test my survival skills
-to learn to appreciate and love life
-to earn the food and shelter I eat
I am also able to stay calm in stressful situations as my dad was raised with nothing and had to live on the streets but is now making a living to be able to easily support himself and I. We have the easy life. I decided to respond to you since you're a Senior Member and a Moderator.
Please, all I ask is for some "Good Example Locations". Besides, I wasn't just going to base off of other's opinions... I was merely going to take them to consideration, while also researching more about the area's environment, weather, animals, dangers, and local resources.
So can you please list just a few Locations that is capable of living in and I'll further research it?
-also, it'll help me greatly if you're able to list that area's regulations if you know them in case I can't it online- Thanks!

[gryffynklm]

Hey, BTD.....

That is a great question that has been asked quite a few times. Many of the folks here would love to find a location like that. In the time I have been here no one has been able to answer those questions in any specific way.

The general consensus is that there is no known land in the us that doesn't fall under some ownership. If not privet, corporate, government or Military the local municipality will have a say. Any land that you do not have permission to be living on has the potential of having trespassing charges brought on you if you are found. Your best bet is to find someone who is willing to allow you to stay in exchange for work.

No mater were you go the state hunting fishing and trapping laws will apply. I think some states have an open season on some small game like rabbit. I may be wrong and someone can correct me on that. Sorry no solid answers here.

Its a great idea, Good luck with that.

[intothenew]

1. A mod troll: It's been a while, I can see the need. Go for a walk, start a fire, take some pics and post em', tell me how it made you feel.


2. She left me/ignores me: Buy a truck, and tent, and take her/you to the river for a weekend.


3. It's true: Read, you'll need the practice for college.

[BENESSE]

We happen to have an expert on this very topic--Kyratshooter--and I hope he responds. He'll definitely point you in the right direction.

[kyratshooter]

AHHH!!! the "Running away to the wilderness" thread for September! We got 6 days into the month before it happened!

I always love the part where they ask for all kinds of advice but do not want any negitive feedback. I get a laugh out of that stipulation.

I also like the part where they have not done enough research to know what is and is not legal! If you are 18 you can buy either a rifle or a shotgun but I would advise that you not do so since you do not know what you are doing in the first place and will probably shoot yourself in the foot.

If you have already had a stressful life running away to the wilderness, where every mistake can cost your life, is not going to reduce the stress.

Before you take the next step in your plan please relaize that most of what you have proposed is illigal in most states and breaks a couple of federal statutes as well. You do not want prision time on your college application, or a job application. Trespassing and poaching being the most obvious.

You have two reality options, not REAL options, reality options:


Option one;

1. Get a job.

2. Work for a year.

3. Take your vacation and go camping.

Option two;

1. Grow up and face reality.

2. Make some friends.

3 Get a life.

4. Get a job.

5. Work for a year.

6. Take your vacation and go camping.

Whichever option you chose,

Good luck with that!

Now there is a third option, which almost no one wants to consider. Join the Army and volunteer for combat arms. You will get all the OJT survival training you can stand and they will pay you to do it. They will also pay for that college you are talking about when you are ready to go.:tank:

I doubt that you will want to do that. Most of the folk planning the "run away to the wilderness" option feel they are not suited for the military life, which involves a lot of outdoor experience and survival skills and a big dose of facing reality.

[Sparky93]

Just throwing this out there, but I just thought of it and had to post it. Down south and even in Southern Indiana there is a large feral hog population and since they are a big nuisance problem they can be shot any time of the year (to my understanding) without the need of a tag (might still need a license but I don't know). But to find a place where you can live for free, set up shelters, stay for an unlimited amount of time, and hunt are going to be very far and few between. Let alone not going back to a town to get provisions.

My best advice for you would be go to a hunting or fishing guide school (if you actually are an outdoorsman and not a troll, sorry if your not we just have some come through now and again) and have people pay you to go on hunting and/or fishing trips, make good money and live as remote as you want.

As to your current plan, good luck with that...

[Sarge47]

I think it's safe to say that if any of us knew of a place like that WE'D already be living there! Good luck with that! :wavey:

[wtrfwlr]

I was going to make the same suggestion as Sparky, Feral Hogs in most areas that I know are nuisance animals and there is no season or bag limit but as he mentioned a hunting license may be required. There are other animals though that, depending on the area, you can harvest all you want. Most places will allow you to eat all the Rats and Mice you like. You can also look at limits on taking Moles, Shrews, Gophers and Prairie Dogs. Some places also allow you to take Coyotes year round.

You may have in your mind that there is a place where you can dine on Elk, Moose, Deer or even Bighorn Sheep but that is just not going to happen (legally). You need to be thinking about dining on rodents I'm afraid.

Also don't forget that you can usually fish year round and daily catch limits are more than ample to feed one person. It would be a good idea to learn as much as you possibly can about wild edibles. Learn about the plants that are going to be found in your area, you will need those to supplement the Rats and Fish. Don't forget about insects either. Beetles, Grubworms, Larvae and Maggots have lots of protein and are accepted table fare in many places around the world.

As far as a place to do this I wouldn't have any idea of a "nice" place. All of those areas are places where people already inhabit for that very reason. You may be able to find a landowner that has a large tract of land that would let you wander off and live out there but not likely and it would probably be a place like that outback in Australia or even the desert areas of Arizona or Nevada? I still doubt that they would go along with it though since they wouldn't want the liability or constant wondering when or where you might be found dead. I think you might be able to go to some other places like Siberia or up around the Arctic Circle where Aboriginal peoples still live. I doesn't sound like you are much on the jungle idea, but you could go to some of the jungles in South or Central America or even areas in Mexico where they really don't care if you trek of out into the woods to live. Be aware though that most of these areas not only have the Big Cats and Snakes to worry about but they are also war torn countries that have bands of ruthless rebel fighters running around looking to take your stuff and your life.

Anyway those are my thoughts on your adventure and best of luck to you. Stay in touch with us if you can, I'd like to hear how it all turns out for you.

[kyratshooter]

If he stays in touch with us he has failed in his quest and gone back to town!

Who was it that mentioned that scene in Dances With Wolves where the muleskinner looked down at the bird eaten skeleton on the prarie and stated, "Someone is back east wondering why this guy don't write nome!"

[Wildthang]

There is much you need to learn before you go off into the woods grasshopper! Learn your survival skills, then worry about where to go. Once you learn survival skills, you will also be have more knowleage about where to go to explore your dreams.

[btddanger]

Thank you Wtrfwlr,
I appreciate your advice over the others. I do like the idea of Alaska, Siberian Wilderness, and I'm not totally sure about the Arctic Circle but I'll look into that too. I'm actually doing research on Alaska and Siberia at this moment as well. So far, Siberia is my main opinionated choice though I'm still researching. And YES, when I do return I will write a story on my adventures! Sadly, I must say that I probably won't be going on my trip til maybe next year? But it's still good to plan ahead of time

[crashdive123]

Keep one thing in mind btddanger - often times people that tell you what you do not want to hear have your best interests in mind. It may not seem that way, but it is true. With the caveat that you put in your original post......
(also, please don't post and contridict my decision) Please, aknowledge my plan and only post informative comments that can help me out. it is clear that you don't value advice that may be sound, albeit contradictory to what you want to hear. I'm sure all of the members here, me included, wish you well on your quest.

[Rick]

I think it's a great idea. Siberia is a wilderness paradise. No laws. Nothing around for hundreds of kilometers. You'll get to use all your skills to stay alive. Just you and the gulag and that one weird guard that keeps winking at the you.

For someone with an abundant knowledge you sure asked a lot of questions. Read through this and good luck with that.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?6837-What-Do-I-Need-To-Survive-in-the-Wild

[Sourdough]

I would suggest the Great State of Alaska, BUT survival here is so easy that ladies can do it NAKED for 11 Days.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?1508-Lost-NAKED-11-days-in-quot-ALASKA-quot&highlight=Blue+tarp

[btddanger]

YES thank you! This is the kind of advice and agreeable person I wanted to hear from. Based on how you worded it, correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you've something similar to my future trip?? And if you have, even if you haven't, you can probably agree that I only ask so many questions because I know I'm still young... but it's always best to get opinions from people that have more knowledge about the location. I have to disagree with Crashdive123 on what you said about being told what I didn't want to hear, because I know the hard challenges that await me... but for those of you who have gone on a trip like this, tell me that in the end you guys later regret ever choosing that decision..
Like I said before, don't get me wrong. I still plan on coming back and later starting my own business, I do best on computers and already have a plan on where my life if headed.. (COLLEGE, WITH A PROFESSIONAL DEGREE IN COMPUTER SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING)
Trust me, if you met me in person, you'd see that I'm a smart kid and I sure as 'heck' don't want to end up dead. But for those of you who don't understand, this is something I MUST do in my life.. and RICK, haha you should add me. Since you're an Administrator, you're always on this website. I want to message you when I do leave for my trip and when I get back, I want to tell you all about Siberia!!
'Heck'.. what's a true man without balls. Men have to face troubling problems and overcome them with an iron fist. I don't mean for it to be a goal of mine, but when I'm out there, and a wolf or some kinda animal wants to fight me.... his a-- is mine.
Since I was a kid, I always had low self esteem. Now, I learned to overcome my confidence, and the depression I was diagnosed with since I was 16 after my mom passed away.
SO FOR ALL YOU WHO SAY IT'S A DUMB IDEA... you're right. Buuuut, you're wrong in the fact that I am grown up. (kyratshooter), I am facing reality and I do have friends, you're probably the one without any.
Anyways, Thanks again RICK and ya gotta keep in touch with me cuz even when I get back, I'm going to tell you how much I loved Siberia and its Freezing cold weather! But I choose to endure it and to make my own survival.
I'm not crazy by saying this but from one man to several, I guess you could say that the only reason living in the wild is hard, is cuz Mother Nature tests your witiness and cunningness to outsmart any dangers that face you. (just thought of that)
Only the true men will face their fears and dangers with confidence. Then there are the stupid ones who choose to live the rest of there life as a loser.
Not saying mountain men are stupid. Some probably have more knowledge than you and I together.. But if you are only going into the wilderness with good intentions, then its okay in my opinion.
Once again, Please post more suggestions and tips/secrets you guys!!! That way I can keep doing my homework on those areas
thank you again Rick

[Tsalam]

btd, I would be interested in knowing where and when you received or obtained your survival experience. Where do you live now? Have you attended survival schools with hands on training? I have the perfect place for you.

[Sourdough]

This is ALL you need to know.........If your skill level "NO WORRIES".........http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xiGo6Dy9eso

[Rick]

Yes, true men have balls. Football, baseball, basketball. It's the beach balls that you have to watch out for.

I don't need to face troubling problems nor do I know anyone that does. Troubling problems will find you without you looking for them. As for Mother Nature, keep this in mind...she only needs to win once, you have to win every time or game over.

[Sarge47]

Made some comments in red!


YES thank you! This is the kind of advice and agreeable person I wanted to hear from. Based on how you worded it, correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you've something similar to my future trip?? And if you have, even if you haven't, you can probably agree that I only ask so many questions because I know I'm still young.Well....:laugh:



I have to disagree with Crashdive123 on what you said about being told what I didn't want to hear, because I know the hard challenges that await me...You just "dissed" one of the most experienced members on here, way to go! :innocent:


but for those of you who have gone on a trip like this, tell me that in the end you guys later regret ever choosing that decision..
Like I said before, don't get me wrong. I still plan on coming back and later starting my own business, I do best on computers and already have a plan on where my life if headed.. (COLLEGE, WITH A PROFESSIONAL DEGREE IN COMPUTER SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING.)Mind telling me how your "college degree" prepares you for what you're about to undertake? :confused1:



Trust me, if you met me in person, you'd see that I'm a smart kid....Probably not...:sneaky2:



and I sure as 'heck' don't want to end up dead.....Hmmm...:innocent:

But for those of you who don't understand, this is something I MUST do in my life.. and RICK, haha you should add me. Since you're an Administrator, you're always on this website. I want to message you when I do leave for my trip and when I get back, I want to tell you all about Siberia!!Be sure and tell us how the Soviets treated you when you invaded their country! :tank:



'Heck'.. what's a true man without balls. Men have to face troubling problems and overcome them with an iron fist. I don't mean for it to be a goal of mine, but when I'm out there, and a wolf or some kinda animal wants to fight me.... And now you just put down every female member on here! Most of who have more survival knowledge in their big toe than you have altogether! :noway:



Since I was a kid, I always had low self esteem. Now, I learned to overcome my confidence, and the depression I was diagnosed with since I was 16 after my mom passed away.So now we see the real reason you're doing this! :detective:



SO FOR ALL YOU WHO SAY IT'S A DUMB IDEA... you're right. Buuuut, you're wrong in the fact that I am grown up. Grown up is one thing, however being realistic, mature, wise...well....:no:


(kyratshooter), I am facing reality and I do have friends, you're probably the one without any.You just insulted the 2nd best survivor member on here, way to go! And he has a lot of friends, BTW! :thumbup:



Anyways, Thanks again RICK and ya gotta keep in touch with me cuz even when I get back, I'm going to tell you how much I loved Siberia and its Freezing cold weather! But I choose to endure it and to make my own survival.
I'm not crazy by saying this but from one man to several, I guess you could say that the only reason living in the wild is hard, is cuz Mother Nature tests your witiness and cunningness to outsmart any dangers that face you. (just thought of that)No, Mother Nature is just that...nature! As soon as you disrespect her, you're dead! :death:



Only the true men will face their fears and dangers with confidence. Then there are the stupid ones who choose to live the rest of there life as a loser. And you're not? Hmmm...:w00t:


Not saying mountain men are stupid. Some probably have more knowledge than you and I together.. But if you are only going into the wilderness with good intentions, then its okay in my opinion.And what qualifies your's as an "expert" opinion? :lol:
Once again, Please post more suggestions and tips/secrets you guys!!! That way I can keep doing my homework on those areas.I'll pass, thanks! :cool2:



thank you again Rick

[Crabapple Plum]

Papua New Guinea, relatively safe and an experience of a lifetime. I don't think we've clear cut it all yet. Even if we did, it grows back fast. I think most of the cannibals are tamed. IIRC, they only eat dead people.

The mountain range between Guatamala and Nicaragua. Fly into the capitol of of Guatamala, go pick up your AK-47, convert your money and hire a reputable guide to get you on the right trail. Tell him you are a forestry advisor for blahblahblah. Halfway up the mountain pay him well, enough to keep his mouth shut and his family fed and clothed until you are home safe.

Get far away from the trail, stay off the trails and practice Leave No Trace backwoods skills. Avoid humans at all costs, even those who're speaking English. It's an adventure of a lifetime!

Perhaps enjoy the beachbum experience on Saipan, an American Territory. Tropical Paradise! White sandy beaches, beautiful blue Pacific, beautiful women. Get a job and enjoy the best of both worlds.

[Aℓкℓιηєѕ]

I am shocked that people actually have the same or similar dream as me. I just want to say good luck to you and I hope you find a way to achieve your quest.

In reality, nearly the only way you can survive in such a harsh climate is by taking survival classes and train all you can.

You will definitively need to build a log cabin. So best way to go is next summer, where building a cabin wouldn't be so cold and it'd be easier instead of building it in winter or fall.

EDIT: Try searching the series called

1.) "Frontier House" from the PBS channel.

Some other shows that COULD help you learn something you already didn't know:

2.) "Mountain Men"

3.) "Man vs. Wild"

4.) "Dual Survival"



GOOD LUCK!

[kyratshooter]

Fellas, you can't fix stupid!

Everyone knows the answer to all his questions is, 42.

Just wish him luck and send him on his way.

Yea, good luck with that!

[Crabapple Plum]

You guys have no sense of adventure. The only way to know if you can do something is to DO it.
You don't know it from reading a book or watching TV. You shouldn't grow old and wish you woulda' done it when you were still young enough to try. How else are you going to get great stories to tell your grandkids?

Most people are smart enough to know they're over their heads by time they're 60 yards off the pavement.

[Sourdough]

You guys have no sense of adventure. The only way to know if you can do something is to DO it.
You don't know it from reading a book or watching TV. You shouldn't grow old and wish you woulda' done it when you were still young enough to try. How else are you going to get great stories to tell your grandkids?

Most people are smart enough to know they're over their heads by time they're 60 yards off the pavement.


Plus One......

[NightShade]

You should learn your skills by going out and doing stuff. Watching television is meant for entertainment, it's not a how to guide. Practice your survival skills in a real setting with a safety net before you wander off to Siberia for a year. Reading books, watching TV, and searching the internet may give you ideas, but experience will give you the skills.

Oh, running away to the wilderness won't solve your personal problems but hey, " good luck with that "

[RandyRhoads]

Clearly you know everything, and have thought out every possible bad situation , so why are you here asking. Go out and do it, i'll be here prepping your Darwin Award.

Good luck with that.

[Faiaoga]

Please allow me to make a few suggestions from my own experience. It has been a long time since I was 18, but I understand the desire to get out and see new places and to test myself. I am no "wilderness survival expert" but have learned some useful skills by doing some of the following:

1. Learned to swim and SCUBA dive
2. Went hiking and camping with the Sierra Club and other groups
3. Took a summer job for two seasons in SE Alaska with a US goverment agency in the national forest, in a roadless area
4. Joined the Peace Corps as a schoolteacher and lived with a local family, participating in their subsistence lifestyle in the Pacific Islands
5. Continued to work outside the USA as a teacher while traveling in some remote areas

These experiences, or others like them, might be useful to you. I have never served in the military but that is another option. You might find other useful training opportunities through volunteer organizations and job searches if you are willing to adapt and be flexible. Please keep trying.
Faiaoga ("schoolteacher" in Samoan)

[canid]

I prefer incomplete survival. That way, should I fail I'll only be

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[Warheit]

I suggest a heavy reading dosage of John Stuart Mill, Charles Dickens and Broadway Lane James before any outdoor adventure. Sounds like you are an adventurous fellow. Good luck sir!

[Sarge47]

I prefer incomplete survival. That way, should I fail I'll only be

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt106/canid/webtemp/onlymostlydead_zpsf8ee0841.jpg

MOSTLY DEAD! YEAH! :banana: