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Chris
01-16-2011, 04:48 PM
Suppose there is a news story you want to share with the other members of the forum?

The correct way is to copy the first one or two paragraphs from the story, put them in your post quoted, and then provide a link to the full story.

Never copy full stories and paste them.

Some newspaper companies, dying from lack of revenue, have taken to suing people who copy full stories like that. Luckily, there is a law shielding website owners from liability if a user does this, so long as we act in good faith, but the newspaper company could still sue the individual user.

So just don't do it.

The same goes for images, link, don't copy.

Pocomoonskyeyes3
01-16-2011, 08:49 PM
The same goes for images, link, don't copy.

OK I have a Question on this point Chris. By clicking the little picture Icon and then Pasting the image url in that. Is that acceptable? Or should it be JUST A link?

I'll use a couple of my own pictures from Photobucket to clarify....

Example "A" using this Icon....

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt61/pocomoonskyeyes/Pictureurlattachmentbutton.png And copying the URL and pasting it in the Pop-up Window that follows clicking this Icon, producing this....

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt61/pocomoonskyeyes/jamboree25.jpg


OR just pasting the link like this......

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt61/pocomoonskyeyes/jamboree25.jpg

I used a picture that was forum associated/oriented so no one could say anything one way or another..... Sorry "Robin Hood" Crash!

crashdive123
01-16-2011, 08:55 PM
Posting your own picture is fine. The problem comes into play with copywrited material. I am guilty for "hot linking" to pictures that are not mine. By linking to them, you are not infringing on the copywrite because the viewer is taken to the source of the picture.

Rick
01-16-2011, 09:05 PM
And/or clearly identify your source. Free use allows you to use other peoples work for things like commentary, parody, education, news reporting, etc., which follows the Berne convention of 1989(?) I think (keep me straight Ken). However, you need to identify the work. Posting a few lines from a write-up is much different than posting the entire article.

LowKey
01-16-2011, 09:24 PM
Hot linking is usually frowned upon by the host site of the image. It uses bandwidth. Usually you'll get a "Sorry, no hotlinking" replacement but I've seen some server owners who get downright nasty with their place holders.

Pocomoonskyeyes3
01-16-2011, 09:39 PM
OK To further clarify (Forgive me for being Dense) I understand that you CAN use for educational purposes, applicable parts of copyrighted material as well as what Rick posted above (Which I would THINK would give this site SOME leeway in that regards anyway) However I don't comprehend the difference between posting a link like this.........
http://www.uga.edu/srelherp/SPARC/images/CM-pattern.jpg
over using the Pic icon and posting the url in that (I assume this is what is meant by "Hotlinking")using this Icon....
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt61/pocomoonskyeyes/Pictureurlattachmentbutton.png
To produce this Image......

A Florida Cottonmouth Water Moccasin.
http://www.uga.edu/srelherp/SPARC/images/CM-pattern.jpg

Sorry but this was something I linked to earlier today and still had that tab open so I used that as an example. It is from this site....
http://www.uga.edu/srelherp/SPARC/trip5.htm

Chris
01-17-2011, 10:00 AM
And/or clearly identify your source. Free use allows you to use other peoples work for things like commentary, parody, education, news reporting, etc., which follows the Berne convention of 1989(?) I think (keep me straight Ken). However, you need to identify the work. Posting a few lines from a write-up is much different than posting the entire article.

parody. criticism.

Not the others, as many teachers have found out, there is no free pass for education (you can't just print up 30 copies of a book on the copier and give to students). It also generally doesn't matter if your use is nonprofit or noncommercial.

Generally you're allowed to use a portion for free for any purpose, what is the size is not strictly defined, but is generally accepted to be a couple paragraphs from an article, a page from a book, a line from a poem, 30 seconds from a song, etc.

One of the key tests is if your use deprives the copyright holder of revenue or royalties.

As for hotlinking vs linking. I think technically both are linking, but I don't know if there is case law on the topic or not. The fact is, the content owner CAN easily prevent hotlinking, so they shouldn't really complain, but unless you want to spring for a lawyer it is better to be safe than sorry.

Rick
01-17-2011, 11:00 AM
I think we said the same thing. I've used lines or even a paragraph from a work (always cited) when teaching but I'd never copy a whole page without author's consent. And I've done that as well. I contacted Ms. Yavapai of the Apache Nation several years ago requesting permission to use some of her work (she was also a university professor) in teaching an English second language Apache student I had. When in down, cite it.

LowKey
01-17-2011, 08:15 PM
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
That's the short version.
Circ 21 is the long version. http://www.copyright.gov/circs/

When doing researched written works for the Park Service, if we use an image, ANY image, whether for illustrative purposes or not, we have to have written, signed permission from the owner of the image and there has to be an attribute or photo credit on the same poster/panel/wayside the image appears on, or at least in the immediate vicinity. You couldn't just take a photo you found on the web and insert it into a book you are writing. Photos of people and well known celebrities get even worse. For instance, The Man with the Axe up there could take offense at having his likeness used on an online forum and would be within his legal rights to tell you to take it down even though you took and own the "copyright by creation" on the photo. It's all very convoluted and Fair Use has always been a case by case basis.

Chris
01-17-2011, 09:38 PM
I'm not sure there is any law or precedent for that Lowkey.... the part about likenesses.

The photographer owns the copyright, else tabloids would not exist.

The last major case I remember involved Brooke Shields. For whatever reason, some photographer took nude photos of her when she was like 10 years old. Don't ask me why, don't ask me why her parents allowed it. Much later she sued to get control but lost because he owned the rights.

Now video, that is an entirely different animal. You need permission for video of all the people in it in most places, especially if you also record sound. There are also probably advertising laws prohibiting manufactured endorsements, which would prevent you from putting Brad Pitt's picture on a box of corn flakes, but that would be outside of standard copyright I think.

You what to know what is truly stupid? Police officers using very (very) old wiretapping laws (governing the secret recording of conversations, in theory) to turn anyone who uses their cell phone camera in public into a felon. Eventually the supreme court will put a stop to that I'm sure. All told, the government needs to update laws to match the times we live in.