A Land poll

[Nativedude]

Should the gov't. be able to tell you what you can or cannot do with your land?

If we are to claim ownership, shouldn't we be able to claim "sole" ownership without the interference of the gov't.?

After all, you are paying or have paid for it. It is your right?! :confused:

This pertains to "your" land. That which lays within your property lines/boundaries.

This thread and poll refers to "your land" as a private land owner. Not about corporations or companies.

[Elkchsr]

This should have had a little more definition to it (but it's your thread.... :) )

It would have included some thing 'as long as you don't adversely physically affect others'

But it's a good point, that is for sure... :)

[beerrunner13]

Without getting political, I think the goverment has to much say in our lives.As elkchser said if you are not causeing harm, why is there a reson for goverment involvment?

[RBB]

Yah, question is too basic.

A big city firm bought some land locally and began storing hazardous waste on it. You better believe I am glad the gov't had some say so over what they did on their land.

[Elkchsr]

I've seen both sides of the fence

The one I've seen abused the worse is "Tree Policies" the government mandates on it's local citizens (hiding behind the guise of saving children and the environment)

In some areas, you have to get a certified arborist to come in and give an over all opinion of the health of a tree (including dead)

= added cost

Then you have to take your information to the city council, they load in their cars at the end of the meeting and drive around looking at the trees (getting a "feeling" if they want to have the tree removed)

= (added cost due to lost work)

If they grace you with the privilege of letting you remove the tree you pay taxes on, then you have to have a registered, certified (thru the town counsel of course at another cost) tree service come out and remove said tree

= Added cost of removal

Oh!!!

It doesn't end there

Don't matter if you only have a postage stamp yard, you have to replace the tree with another one, and your choice is limited to that which the council in unison has agreed upon

= Added cost of new tree which eventually will be another problem

These little bureaucrats create havoc to every one else, just so they can feel good about doing nothing while in office

Need I say more?

Not saying I'm a little soured at the turn of events I found myself in as the owner of a local tree service now being shook down by said town councils (there were quite a few at the time who bought into it) for the privilege of working inside of their particular city limits... :rolleyes:

[Smok]

Forget the land . :eek:Here in Calif. the Government is trying to put remote control meters on our home thermostat so THEY can regulate the temperature in our homes .:mad:... not just meter it but control it :mad: :confused: This is no joke they are realy tying to do this

[Sarge47]

The question isn't, in my humble opinion, formatted correctly. I probably would have worded it like this: "Do you believe that the Government has too much control over the land bought in the private sector by American Citizens. Of course it does. Not only that but Wal-Mart was recently reported as to using "Eminent Domain" to take away Private land to build one of their stores. Maybe the question should be does the Govt. Have too much power?:rolleyes:

[Nativedude]

The question isn't, in my humble opinion, formatted correctly. I probably would have worded it like this: "Do you believe that the Government has too much control over the land bought in the private sector by American Citizens. Of course it does. Not only that but Wal-Mart was recently reported as to using "Eminent Domain" to take away Private land to build one of their stores. Maybe the question should be does the Govt. Have too much power? :rolleyes:

That is because of the Supreme Court's ruling last year changing the 5th Amendment, giving the right to companies, like Wal-Mart, to do that if they can show cause that they can make profit by owning that land. It's a lot of BS, if you ask me!!

The Constitution is just up for grabs by bureaucrats in D.C. Slowly, but oh-so-assuredly our rights are being taken away -- little-by-little -- right out from under our noses! :mad:

[Rick]

Sorry, Native Dude. The question is black and white but the subject isn't. RBB's was an excellent example, I think. And just using the term "government" doesn't define the context. There are a lot of agencies; federal, state and local. Some of which have nothing to do with land ownership or the activity that occurs on it. I understand you intent but I don't think the question accurately captures it.

[ryaninmichigan]

As long as you are taxed on it you never truly own it.

[nell67]

As long as you are taxed on it you never truly own it.
ABSOLUTELY!

[Rick]

Then who owns my underwear? I paid sales tax on it?:rolleyes:

[Rick]

Purely rhetorical. I don't really want to know. But it would be interesting to know, of those who think the government has too much control, who does not vote or otherwise participate in the legislative process. And I'm not speaking of those that voted in the poll. Just in general.

[nell67]

I do vote,and still compain

[Rick]

That's legal. So do I.

[Elkchsr]

The question is very valid

How much do we want government in our lives as free thinking Americans

I've been to many places in the world over the years and have found most people coming out of Socialist style governments don't seem to have much of a problem with big brother intrusions into it

It's a sad state of affairs when people are willing to sacrifice "FREEDOM" for safety

It's also very dangerous to have such an attitude unless you actually belong to a governmental agency that will protect you from all the intrusion

[Rick]

This is the point at which I have difficulty. I don't know who "the government is". We are the government. Folks need to define the "who" and why they have difficulty with them. (not pointed at you Elkchsr). I'll bet most can't. That goes back to my "witch" statement above. Native Dude's #8 post was very good. It went straight to the root of the problem as he saw it. That's something we can debate, cuss and discuss. Just saying the government really doesn't mean anything. That could include the local school board up the the NSC or CIA.

[Elkchsr]

To be more defining in whom "The Government" is

* Those who are collecting checks from tax payers to do the work of the tax payer and after getting into these positions of trust and power, then taking that next step and following their own agenda

Then implement theories they have invented or some ideal a misguided professor in their younger years put into their heads

The other ones start with the paragraph marked * and implement ideals dictated strictly on the basis of emotion with out being dictated by common sense or reason

[Rick]

It's still a broad net for a little fish and I fear we're treading dangerously close to politics so I'll walk lightly. If someone were to say to me, "I disagree with the President's decision to monitor cell phone conversations without a court order." I'm cool with that. Whether I agree or not isn't material. The person clearly defined the who and what it was they had discontent with. "I don't think county government should have the right to tax my property and then tell me I need to acquire a building permit to build a garage." Great! Now we're heading in the right direction. See my point?

Government, In my lowly, humble opinion, can only do 1. What we tell it to do or 2. What we allow it to do. Those of us that remember the sixties and seventies know what people can do when they collectively have had enough of injustice. We saw the fall of a president because of a free press and a strong public opinion. Places like Kent State, Selma, or the Watergate office building still hold a meaning for us.

By the way, is a Land Pole anything like a Land Shark (SNL for those that don't know what that is).

[RBB]

Definitely getting political, and moderators please remove this if it is too much so - but...

the Liberals want to tax me more so they can turn this country into a socialist welfare state, and the Conservatives think businesses should be able to take over my land if they can show cause it will be a "benefit" for the community at large, and if I vote independent, the guy will never get in anyway and I've wasted my vote.

Guess I'll vote the anarchist ticket next election.

[Elkchsr]

Your right Rick

Ceptin for the fact, most people have been burned out or just don't care enough any more to put the efforts they did into these arenas as they did back in the day

Hence the choices of candidates filling the arena in today’s political arena

I also fear that if any thing ever did happen to this country, there would be a ton of people dyeing

I helped in Katrina and witnessed first hand how helpless people have allowed themselves to become in adverse conditions and situations

[Kemperor]

I'm just going to post without reading the other posts, but if anyone other than me should have a say with what I do with my land, it's the Native Americans.

VOTE RON PAUL

[tracks]

I am not sure if the last name is correct but a guy who, well I'm sure some of the wolf pack will know DICK PENDECKE had some posted signs that sumed it up reeaaal good as to how I feel.

[Beo]

So answer me this: You buy your home and the land that comes with it, you pay on it for 30 years and then to your happy delight its paid off and you own it, but then you still gotta pay tax on the land that is paid off, is this fair? And why? And if it is then why don't you pay taxes on other things you have paid off. And why do I pay state and local taxes if I pay government taxes, isn't this double tax jeperdy or over taxation? I live in the county, work in the city and pay city tax but can't vote on city issues, isn't this taxation without representation?
Yeah there is toooooooooooooooo much government control!

[Rick]

Slow down there, Speedy Gonzalez. Where doest thou paycheck cometh from? Taxes ye say? Holy Smoketh! Survivor Man. Thou drivest on city streets, walketh on city sidewalks, flush into city sewers, drinketh thy share of purified water (okay, it's CinCity but it's sort of purified). Who doest thou thinketh payeth thy bill? (it's little wonder English has changed from puritan days. eth sucketh succatash). Taxes young lad. Schools, roads, bridges, public libraries, etc. etc. etc.

[Assassin Pilot]

I do believe you have a point about taxation w/o representation. You could probably try to get some money off of it, going to court or something. Taxation w/o representation is one of the things America has been against for a long time.

[Rick]

I'm voting for Red Green. I think the White House should be relocated to the Possum Lodge. The way I see it, Dougie is Vice President, Harold would make a great Secretary of State, Bill is the ideal Secretary of Defense. Ranger Gord can have the Interior Department and Winston Rothchild III can run EPA. Buzz Sherwood gets Home Land Security. Dalton gets to run the Federal Bank.

Now all we have to do is anex Canada so they are all Americans. Pretty sad when you have to go outside the country to hire good help.

[trax]

After breezing through a couple of these postings, I have to say I'm sure glad we don't discuss politics. Personally, I'm an anarchist and an iconoclast so......mushrooms anyone?

[Rick]

You can clasts? What they hey is that?

[trax]

Now all we have to do is anex Canada so they are all Americans. Pretty sad when you have to go outside the country to hire good help.

You can have the rest of Canada after I've drawn up the border lines for Free Traxistan

[Beo]

I'm not saying I don't get paid by tax money, but I'm county so its county tax money and since I pay taxes ain't I self employed?

I do all that in the city but can't vote on city issues, taxation without reresentation.

My home has a well and septic tank, its mine.

Now what?

[Rick]

Bbbbbuuuuzuzzzzzzzzzzz. That was my point sailing past.

You work in the city and drive on city streets and all the other things I said. Paid for by tax dollars. I also pay a state, county and city tax and glad to do it. I'll call the city council and see if they will anex you if that will make you feel better.:D

[nell67]

Obviously Rick,your taxes didn't double or triple this year??

[BatCat]

Hmmmm

I havent had too much trouble with the Gubmint telling me what I can and cant do on my property.

I live in small town Texas. I cut trees on my place when I feel like it.

I hunt game thats in season. I just recently buried a bunch of cracked corn on my place, and am just getting the wild hogs to come around. Time to stake out a spot and start gathering pork

This last dove season, I was out hunting. I had my Pit Bull laying beside me when I heard someone come up behind me. It was a game warden who decided he had the right to come out on my place and check my license. My pit had other opinions. She took off toward him, and he started to draw his weapon when I leveled off with my 12 gauge and recalled my dog. The Warden reholstered his weapon and called on his radio for backup. The local sherrif's department showed up en masse. A deputy I knew came up and asked what was happening, so I gave him the story. He nodded, said "Be Right Back", and went and told the warden that if he didnt feel like getting arrested for tresspassing then he needed to leave.

A few weeks later I got a letter from The Department of Parks and Wildlife apologizing for the wardens actions.


Gotta love small town Texas


BatCat

[pgvoutdoors]

The government must have some say over land ownership rights to protect the overall well being of the land and it's surroundings. It's complicated, many times the government is the problem but big business and industry could destroy our wilderness in one generation without some governing agency. I believe the government has too much control right now, but we can't eliminate them completely.:confused:

[pgvoutdoors]

Hmmmm

I havent had too much trouble with the Gubmint telling me what I can and cant do on my property.

I live in small town Texas. I cut trees on my place when I feel like it.

I hunt game that's in season. I just recently buried a bunch of cracked corn on my place, and am just getting the wild hogs to come around. Time to stake out a spot and start gathering pork

This last dove season, I was out hunting. I had my Pit Bull laying beside me when I heard someone come up behind me. It was a game warden who decided he had the right to come out on my place and check my license. My pit had other opinions. She took off toward him, and he started to draw his weapon when I leveled off with my 12 gauge and recalled my dog. The Warden reholstered his weapon and called on his radio for backup. The local sherrif's department showed up en masse. A deputy I knew came up and asked what was happening, so I gave him the story. He nodded, said "Be Right Back", and went and told the warden that if he didnt feel like getting arrested for tresspassing then he needed to leave.

A few weeks later I got a letter from The Department of Parks and Wildlife apologizing for the wardens actions.


Gotta love small town Texas


BatCat

Here in OHIO the Game Wardens can come on your property at any time. You must show them you hunting tags on request. If your not the land owner or apart of the immediate family, you must have permission in writing on you or you will be sighted. Even if you could walk back up to the house and get the land owner to tell the warden in person that you have permission you are still sighted.:eek:

[BatCat]

Here in OHIO the Game Wardens can come on your property at any time. You must show them you hunting tags on request. If your not the land owner or apart of the immediate family, you must have permission in writing on you or you will be sighted. Even if you could walk back up to the house and get the land owner to tell the warden in person that you have permission you are still sighted.:eek:

Prolly why I decided to retire in TX and not in OH :D

There is a clause in the TX penal code that says you can shoot fleeing criminal at night on your property. their reasoning behind this is that you cant tell if the person's armed. Tresspassing here is considered a criminal offense, soooo....



BatCat

[pgvoutdoors]

Prolly why I decided to retire in TX and not in OH :D

There is a clause in the TX penal code that says you can shoot fleeing criminal at night on your property. their reasoning behind this is that you cant tell if the person's armed. Tresspassing here is considered a criminal offense, soooo....



BatCat

Here breaking and interring is not considered reason to shoot someone. Texas does handle criminal better than most. I'm all for keeping trespassers off my land, I hope I never have to kill someone to do it though. And it goes without saying that I believe in protecting myself and family based on what is reasonable at the time. I'll let the lawyers sort it out afterwards.:cool:

[Rick]

It was amended to including daylight hours to cover that itty bitty Cheney thing ya'll had goin' on there in south Texas.

"He looked like a great big ole crackle. You know they don't do nothin' but poop on your car. You caint park under a tree anywhere in Dallas what it don't turn white. And ya'll say that was Harry? You shore that weren't no crackle?"

[BatCat]

It was amended to including daylight hours to cover that itty bitty Cheney thing ya'll had goin' on there in south Texas.

"He looked like a great big ole crackle. You know they don't do nothin' but poop on your car. You caint park under a tree anywhere in Dallas what it don't turn white. And ya'll say that was Harry? You shore that weren't no crackle?"

BWAAAHAHAHAHAAA! HAR! HAR! HAR!!


:D:D:D:D



BatCat