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Shaggy Mountain Man
09-05-2010, 04:48 PM
Clearing some of the back yard with a brush mower and found these. I am not sure what they are. Anyone know? I can walk back for a better pic...:blushing:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/73440chargerse/IMAG0431.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/73440chargerse/IMAG0430.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/73440chargerse/IMAG0432.jpg

another I forgot about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/73440chargerse/IMAG0435.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/73440chargerse/IMAG0436.jpg
Rick
09-05-2010, 05:32 PM
Is that a shrub or a tree? It looks like chokeberry to me. If it's a shrub it's probably chokeberry.
Shaggy Mountain Man
09-05-2010, 06:18 PM
About 7 feet tall and more shrub then tree I guess. I was thinking Chokeberry too. Other one a crabapple?
Rick
09-05-2010, 06:42 PM
The chokeberry gets about 10 feet high or so but it's still considered a shrub.

I'm going to give you a resounding probably on the crab apple. I'm not a crab apple guy so I'm going to let someone else chime in on that one that knows for sure.
LowKey
09-05-2010, 07:45 PM
Very weird leaves for a chokecherry.

And did the other one have thorns? Again, weird leaf for an apple.

What state?
Shaggy Mountain Man
09-05-2010, 08:45 PM
Very weird leaves for a chokecherry.

And did the other one have thorns? Again, weird leaf for an apple.

What state?

Minnesota

It has thorns/spikes on the chokeberry??? branches. I didn't find a match online, but I didn't look to hard. I also think this is one of the shrubs that has white flowers in the spring the wife pointed out asking what they are.
Rick
09-05-2010, 09:56 PM
I thought those leaves were smooth when I first looked at the picture but after I studied it a bit they look like they are finely toothed. That's why I said Chokeberry. Correct me if I'm wrong but they looked denticulated to me.
Shaggy Mountain Man
09-05-2010, 10:04 PM
They do have a fine toothed edge to the leaf.
oly
09-06-2010, 12:00 AM
http://extension.usu.edu/range/Woody/chokecherry.htm
Mabe this will help.
LowKey
09-06-2010, 08:50 AM
No thorns on a chokecherry.
yeah, I thought the leaf was smooth too Rick. Thought it was weird. This site just keeps proving that trying to identify something first from a photo without having it in hand is kinda backward for me.

The second one that looks like a crab apple though...if it has thorns it's probably some kind of Haw. An apple leaf leaf usually isn't that markedly toothed but it could be some kind of crabapple. Can you get better photos of the leaves?
randyt
09-06-2010, 09:22 AM
this was confusing to me at first. at first I thought Rick meant chokecherries and the fruit cluster didn't look right too me. but I'm a little smarter now because I realize there is a chokeberry and a choke cherry two different species.
gryffynklm
09-06-2010, 10:31 AM
The first set of pictures look like Buckthorn (Rhamnus cathartica)

http://dnr.wi.gov/invasives/fact/buckthorn_com.htm

http://dnr.wi.gov/invasives/fact/images/RHACAT_SLS.jpg
Shaggy Mountain Man
09-06-2010, 11:01 AM
The first set of pictures look like Buckthorn (Rhamnus cathartica)

http://dnr.wi.gov/invasives/fact/buckthorn_com.htm

http://dnr.wi.gov/invasives/fact/images/RHACAT_SLS.jpg

Sure does look like Buckthorn. Thanks, everyone.
rwc1969
09-06-2010, 11:25 AM
Interesting! I've been trying to lackadasically identify that shrub for a few years now.
Rick
09-06-2010, 01:05 PM
I've never seen Buckthorn before. I'll re-emphasize what Lowkey said. It's tough to ID a plant on just a couple of pictures and add that you need to make absolutely certain what a plant is if you intend to eat it.

Good thread!!
gryffynklm
09-06-2010, 01:33 PM
In Minnesota and other states it is an invasive species. Like Rick said its difficult to identify a plant from a few photos. Like I said, it looks like like Buckthorn. Your extension office would be able to assist in identification. If you are interested in plant identification you should get some good reference book.

Shaggy Man If you are looking for books, here is a thread started by WarEagle last year covering several good field guides.
rwc1969
09-06-2010, 05:52 PM
A fairly decent shrub book is The shrub identification book by George W.D. Symonds. It uses a B+W pictorial key.

It might not get you to exact species, but should quickly allow you to narrow down the possibilities.
Shaggy Mountain Man
09-06-2010, 07:01 PM
In Minnesota and other states it is an invasive species. Like Rick said its difficult to identify a plant from a few photos. Like I said, it looks like like Buckthorn. Your extension office would be able to assist in identification. If you are interested in plant identification you should get some good reference book.

Shaggy Man If you are looking for books, here is a thread started by WarEagle last year covering several good field guides.

Looked at some other online pics and it's is definitely Buckthorn. I do have a couple books, but nothing that listed Buckthorn.

I'll be running it down with the brush mower now that I know what it is. thanks
gryffynklm
09-06-2010, 09:34 PM
Buckthorn is a stubborn shrub. I have cut down to the ground and had it come back. I eventually had to dig up the roots. Good luck, If you see small seedlings growing pull them before they get too deeply rooted.